Alien/UFO UFO Disclosure Imminent? * Former US Intelligence Official & Whistleblower Speaks

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dirty2 said:
When the aliens come I won't be holding a welcome sign out for them.... I'll be packing up my 4b and going out bush... doubt they would travel x amount of light years to sit down at the mcg and watch a game of footy...
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Whether in peace or in ID4 style, there isn't an example in human history where a superior culture visiting a lower one has worked out well for the hosts, and I dare say that it wouldn't be any different if ET dropped by...

Having said that, in reference to War Of The Worlds and every other rip off, it occurred to me only yesterday (random thought driving back from Cairns in this neverending rain) that if you were going to properly invade a planet with the intention of exterminating the locals and moving in, that you would fumigate it first planetwide. You wouldn't just turn up with star destroyers and start bombing. You would study the local biology, find out what you would keep and what needs to go, and develop countermeasures against them. Obviously, the local intelligence would need to be eliminated, so you'd develop a toxin that knocks out humans but keeps everything else. You'd also track any threatening virus, and take that out too (the plot of WOTW). Easy concept - I remove nutgrass from my lawn using Sempra, which leaves everything else untouched as it decimates its target...

To do this, you'd need to be pretty callous (although aboriginal displacement wasn't much different at times), so if a UFO did appear above the White House with a message of hope, their intentions might not be so bad if they were simply doing the Star Trek thing and seeking out new life and civilisations and boldly doing s**t. Maybe they did come to watch the footy - radio transmissions take 8 years to reach Sirius, so maybe an enterprising punter over there has opted to use faster than light travel to come here, get the scores before the transmissions reach home, and make an absolute killing at the Space TAB. Like a typical MCG crowd though, they'd also leave some rubbish, which hopefully wouldn't be humanity threatening. Human history is littered with unwanted gifts that ravaged local populations, like alcohol and chickenpox. Travelling footy supporters in various codes also have a track record of rowdy behaviour, which in this case could be catastrophic - remember, these guys invented death stars, ray guns and anal probes...!
 

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Not sure where to post this,

But it is easily the best UFO doco ever made:

Watch "UFOs OUT OF THE BLUE - HD FEATURE FILM" on YouTube


I'm a skeptic, but just loved the experience of this doco. It is so thorough, an un-hysterical.

Has a quality narration by Peter Coyote, too. This isn't a nutter's webinar, put together from stock footage in some basement.
 
LicoriceAllsorts said:
Idk, it was done in 1984. Its a fun read and takes literally 5 minutes
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Interesting stuff. The CIA/DIA cold war psychic projects would be worth their own thread for sure!

Ingo Swann's autobiography - over 140 pages of weirdness and I haven't read it yet :greenalien:
 

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Scientists have studied Oumuamua, the strange asteroid that entered our solar system. Harvard University say this may have been a probe from another galaxy.
The shape of the asteroid is nothing scientists have seen before. More importantly, the asteroid entered our solar system, then unexpectedly changed course and speed and headed towards Earth. It did a fly by and then headed to the sun, did a few laps around the sun and then slingshot itself out of our solar system.

The fleet could be on their way at anytime :eek:

 
I posted that on the science board the other day Eagle Wrath - scientists were speculating it picked up speed as it began moving away from the Sun because it had a large but undetectable solar sail, which would mean it's clearly an alien craft of some sort!
 
Eagle Wrath said:
Scientists have studied Oumuamua, the strange asteroid that entered our solar system. Harvard University say this may have been a probe from another galaxy.
The shape of the asteroid is nothing scientists have seen before. More importantly, the asteroid entered our solar system, then unexpectedly changed course and speed and headed towards Earth. It did a fly by and then headed to the sun, did a few laps around the sun and then slingshot itself out of our solar system.

The fleet could be on their way at anytime :eek:

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By anytime measure that in billions of years.

Although if we have that curiosity, building a probe ready to get close to the next one sounds magnitudes easier that trying to get to where it came from
 
DIG said:
There was an interesting Ted Talk a few months back by an Astronomer claiming we’re the most advanced species in the universe, there are no advanced aliens out there.

I thought it would annoy me but it was actually interesting.
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He must be christian.
My personal belief is that we are a fairly low form of life in the galaxy. Age wise and intellect. Our planet is very young compared to most we can see.

I think the odds are almost impossible there is no aliens or higher life out there. Believed to be 40 Billion earth like planets in the Goldilocks zone in the milky way galaxy alone.
And there are at least 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe.

40 Billion x 2 Trillion = A s**t load of potential alien home worlds.
Not even counting worlds that we cant live on but some lava monster might.
 
Eagle Wrath said:
He must be christian.
My personal belief is that we are a fairly low form of life in the galaxy. Age wise and intellect. Our planet is very young compared to most we can see.

I think the odds are almost impossible there is no aliens or higher life out there. Believed to be 40 Billion earth like planets in the Goldilocks zone in the milky way galaxy alone.
And there are at least 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe.

40 Billion x 2 Trillion = A s**t load of potential alien home worlds.
Not even counting worlds that we cant live on but some lava monster might.
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Google the Fermi Paradox.

He came to the exact same conclusion (also then factoring in the age of the universe, and the fact that we as a species have gone from zero tech to spaceflight and the atom in the blink of an eye), and then took it one step further: Where the hell are they?

I mean; based on our species current rate of advancement and propensity for exploration, expansion and colonisation, presuming we dont wipe ourselves out in some kind of global catastrophe (irreversible climate change, nuclear war, a tech experiment gone wrong etc) within 100,000 years we would have easily expanded across at least our own Galaxy, inhabiting literally tens of thousands of worlds. The entire Galaxy would be lit up like a Christmas tree.

Which means a single species 'out there' that is a mere 100,000 years more advanced than us (a blink of an eye in cosmological terms) should already have a sprawling interstellar civilization.

And based on the number of inhabitable life supporting planets in the observable universe (heck; life supporting plants in this galaxy alone!), multiplied by the chance of life arising, the age of the universe and the propensity of life to expand and propagate, there should be literally thousands of such civilizations flourishing, with each civilization covering thousands of worlds, and space should be lit up with evidence of these civilizations.

But we see nothing. Space is oddly empty. Which is so improbable to be almost impossible.

Explanations are:

1) We are the most advanced species in the universe (or at least in our corner of it).
2) Those thousands of other species are really sneaky, somehow able to conceal vast interstellar civilizations from us.
3) We are alone.
4) Anthropomorphic bias (just because our experience of life is that it seeks to expand, explore and colonize, this could be a unique trait of Earth life not shared by other interstellar species).

I personally lean towards option 1. We are (at present) the most advanced species in our area of the universe (the immediate area of the Milky way).

I also lean towards the explanation for this being the case that 'it is the nature of life to destroy itself'. We currently sit on the precipice at which most species tend to destroy themselves (nuclear war, science experiment gone wrong, global catastrophe, rogue AI, nanotechnology, biological engineering catastrophe, irreversible climate change, mass extinction event, etc). The 'tipping point' for any civilization is shortly after the mastery of the atom. The species then either wipes itself out shortly after entering the atomic age (just before being able to colonise other worlds and create an interstellar civilization) or it survives this critical point in its existence and manages to spread among the stars.

Most species (indeed probably all of them) dont make it past this point. There have likely been tens of thousands of alien civilizations that have reached this very point we find ourselves at now, and couldn't sort their s**t out, and promptly made themselves extinct.

That's why space is so quiet. Its not because we we're the first species to get to this point in our advancement; we're just the most recent species to do so. In our neck of the galaxy at least, we are (at present) the most advanced species. We're almost certainly not the first in our immediate area of the Galaxy to do so (there most likely have been others, but they've wiped themselves out already).

Whether we wipe ourselves out in the next few years (most probable) or miraculously survive this critical point for our species and manage to colonize other planets and get past this point remains to be seen.

Personally, I lean towards mass extinction of the species certainly within the next 100 years, and most likely within my lifetime.
 
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Catfish Alley said:
Why most likely in your lifetime?? People have been thinking they live in ‘end of days’ for thousands of years.
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Take your pick from:

1) Nuclear war
2) Climate change
3) Rogue AI triggering the singularity
4) Science experiment gone wrong (biolengineered virus accidentally released, self replicating nano-technology getting out, upscaled particle collider generating black hole on the planet, experiments in fusion creating a chain reaction etc etc etc)

Human population is growing every year, and resources are dwindling. Human activity (deforestation, pollution and climate change) are already having a huge impact on the planet. We are currently experiencing the planets 5th global mass extinction event (the last one was the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs).

This one isn't caused by a meteor. It's caused by us. It still remains to be seen if we've already taken it too far.

It doesnt take much for life as we know it to become extinct. If Bees suddenly became extinct (and they are currently dissapearing at an alarming rate), most other life on earth would immediately follow:

Where would we be without bees? As far as important species go, they are top of the list. They are critical pollinators: they pollinate 70 of the around 100 crop species that feed 90% of the world. Honey bees are responsible for $30 billion a year in crops.

That’s only the start. We would lose all the plants that bees pollinate, all of the animals that eat those plants and so on up the food chain. Which means a world without bees would struggle to sustain the global human population of 7 billion. Our supermarkets would have half the amount of fruit and vegetables.
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http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140502-what-if-bees-went-extinct


What do you think happens if half the world starts to starve? We go to War. And that's just Bees. Coral is also being wiped out (there wont be any left in 100 years if the current rate of coral bleaching continues). Say good bye to a vital aquatic ecosystem and a massive food shortage. I could go on and on and on naming literally dozens of other species (including plants) that we are losing at a rapid rate, and kind of rely on to survive (as a species).

I havent even talked about mineral resources yet like Oil, petroleum, and so forth.

As resources dwindle and populations increase, and the climate changes and vital species die out, we'll see increased famine, population movement, ethnic clashes as those populations come into contact with others ethnic groups, and inevitable wars (for resources, including territory, and even just for good old conflicting ideology). That's just human nature.

Couple that with the recent surge in right wing nationalism (which caused the last two world wars), breakdown in institutions of peace like the EU, radicalization and polarization of extremist ideologies and ideological conflicts (from Islamism to Nationalism to Right wing vs Left wing clashes etc) insular nationalist borderline fascist governments springing up all over the place, an increasingly interventionist and expansionist China, Russia (both of whom are currently led effectively by dictators) and so forth, and increasing nuclear proliferation, and you have the perfect conditions for catastrophic war.

We're actually damn lucky we haven't seen a large scale war in our lifetimes. There is another one coming, and (if you're honest about human nature, human history and look at the conditions around you that are creating a fertile environment for war) it's not far off.

The doomsday clock is currently at 2 minutes to midnight:

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/past-announcements/

Which is equal to where we were during the Cuban missile crisis.

We also can only see a tiny speck of the universe. We could also just be in a very quiet pocket of space.
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Even still; just one species that is just 50,000 years more advanced than us should have colonised literally thousands of planets by now, and be lighting up space like a christmas tree.

Just 1 species, and just a blink of an eye more advanced.

There should be thousands of species that are much more advanced that that. There should be literally thousands of interstellar civilizations each one spanning huge swathes of the galaxy, and all of them having been there long enough that the radio waves alone (and other evidence of their existence) have had more than enough time to reach us at our planet.

Our global communication networks today would be noticeable by any other civilization out there at an equal level of technology as us at present (once the radio and microwaves reached the alien planet of course, which takes hundred or thousands of years).

But there is nothing. It's dead quiet.
 
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Catfish Alley said:
If we’re the s**t-show that you highlighted then you can’t blame them for not wanting to get in touch.
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Oh I agree. Presuming another species is out there and aware of us, they would (logically) be waiting to contact us until after we sort ourselves out (or wipe ourselves out). If they're watching, they're watching to see how we handle it.

We'd be a danger to everyone else if we were assisted through this phase in our history. You cant let hyperagressive ultrapartisan monkeys wrecking their own planet, off that planet, unless they figure out how to stop being hyperagressive monkeys.

At present any alien observers would see a species that is overpopulating the planet, while simultaneously causing catastrophic climate change and a global mass extinction event, armed with literally tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, and a long and storied history of killing each other over nothing more than conflicting ideologies.

We break everything down into artificial binaries (left vs right, us vs them, black vs white, socialist vs capitalist, liberal v labor, religious vs athiest, my fictional God/ sporting team/ political persusasion/ economic position/ party/ nation/ race etc is better than yours) and then proceed to kill each other over them.

If human history is anything to go by, we should wipe ourselves out in global war sometime this century, and probably sooner rather than later.

It's absurd when you understand that nations, borders, flags, religions, races, cultures and all the other things we go to war over are all artificially constructed fictions. Sport is our ritualized version of this urge to belong to a 'group' and then fight or compete with other groups.

Its 7 billion people living on a ball of dirt, making up all these stupid groups, and fighting other made up groups. Usually for the most stupid of made up reasons, and toally contrary to the fact none of us actually want to die or kill other people, and would much rather live in peace than go to war.

Yet the fiction is so pervasive, its impossible to think of a world without 'nations' and 'borders' and 'races' and 'cultures' and 'religions' and all that other made up s**t, all competing with one another.

On the off chance we instead wind up with global peace, resolve climate change, erase borders, put aside our differences, eradicate racism, engage in nuclear disarmament and so forth (which of course wont happen) then I wouldnt be shocked if shortly after that we are contacted by some form of alien life laying down the welcome mat.

It wont happen though. We're entering critical mass, and I see nothing to indicate to me that we're evolved enough to put aside our differences, end war, and do the right thing. We'll all but certainly follow on in the footsteps of likely tens thousands of other species that have done the exact same thing and wiped themselves out at precisely this same point in their development.
 
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