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Alien/UFO UFO Disclosure Imminent?

Discussion in 'Mysteries and the Paranormal' started by GG.exe, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. Malifice

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    Take your pick from:

    1) Nuclear war
    2) Climate change
    3) Rogue AI triggering the singularity
    4) Science experiment gone wrong (biolengineered virus accidentally released, self replicating nano-technology getting out, upscaled particle collider generating black hole on the planet, experiments in fusion creating a chain reaction etc etc etc)

    Human population is growing every year, and resources are dwindling. Human activity (deforestation, pollution and climate change) are already having a huge impact on the planet. We are currently experiencing the planets 5th global mass extinction event (the last one was the meteor that wiped out the dinosaurs).

    This one isn't caused by a meteor. It's caused by us. It still remains to be seen if we've already taken it too far.

    It doesnt take much for life as we know it to become extinct. If Bees suddenly became extinct (and they are currently dissapearing at an alarming rate), most other life on earth would immediately follow:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140502-what-if-bees-went-extinct


    What do you think happens if half the world starts to starve? We go to War. And that's just Bees. Coral is also being wiped out (there wont be any left in 100 years if the current rate of coral bleaching continues). Say good bye to a vital aquatic ecosystem and a massive food shortage. I could go on and on and on naming literally dozens of other species (including plants) that we are losing at a rapid rate, and kind of rely on to survive (as a species).

    I havent even talked about mineral resources yet like Oil, petroleum, and so forth.

    As resources dwindle and populations increase, and the climate changes and vital species die out, we'll see increased famine, population movement, ethnic clashes as those populations come into contact with others ethnic groups, and inevitable wars (for resources, including territory, and even just for good old conflicting ideology). That's just human nature.

    Couple that with the recent surge in right wing nationalism (which caused the last two world wars), breakdown in institutions of peace like the EU, radicalization and polarization of extremist ideologies and ideological conflicts (from Islamism to Nationalism to Right wing vs Left wing clashes etc) insular nationalist borderline fascist governments springing up all over the place, an increasingly interventionist and expansionist China, Russia (both of whom are currently led effectively by dictators) and so forth, and increasing nuclear proliferation, and you have the perfect conditions for catastrophic war.

    We're actually damn lucky we haven't seen a large scale war in our lifetimes. There is another one coming, and (if you're honest about human nature, human history and look at the conditions around you that are creating a fertile environment for war) it's not far off.

    The doomsday clock is currently at 2 minutes to midnight:

    https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/past-announcements/

    Which is equal to where we were during the Cuban missile crisis.

    Even still; just one species that is just 50,000 years more advanced than us should have colonised literally thousands of planets by now, and be lighting up space like a christmas tree.

    Just 1 species, and just a blink of an eye more advanced.

    There should be thousands of species that are much more advanced that that. There should be literally thousands of interstellar civilizations each one spanning huge swathes of the galaxy, and all of them having been there long enough that the radio waves alone (and other evidence of their existence) have had more than enough time to reach us at our planet.

    Our global communication networks today would be noticeable by any other civilization out there at an equal level of technology as us at present (once the radio and microwaves reached the alien planet of course, which takes hundred or thousands of years).

    But there is nothing. It's dead quiet.
     
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  2. Catfish Alley

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    If we’re the shit-show that you highlighted then you can’t blame them for not wanting to get in touch.
     
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    I actually thought I’d read wild bee populations have slightly increased since the 90s. Actually gone up 2 or 3% in just a few years. Seems to be lots of different reports around though.
     
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  4. Malifice

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    Oh I agree. Presuming another species is out there and aware of us, they would (logically) be waiting to contact us until after we sort ourselves out (or wipe ourselves out). If they're watching, they're watching to see how we handle it.

    We'd be a danger to everyone else if we were assisted through this phase in our history. You cant let hyperagressive ultrapartisan monkeys wrecking their own planet, off that planet, unless they figure out how to stop being hyperagressive monkeys.

    At present any alien observers would see a species that is overpopulating the planet, while simultaneously causing catastrophic climate change and a global mass extinction event, armed with literally tens of thousands of nuclear weapons, and a long and storied history of killing each other over nothing more than conflicting ideologies.

    We break everything down into artificial binaries (left vs right, us vs them, black vs white, socialist vs capitalist, liberal v labor, religious vs athiest, my fictional God/ sporting team/ political persusasion/ economic position/ party/ nation/ race etc is better than yours) and then proceed to kill each other over them.

    If human history is anything to go by, we should wipe ourselves out in global war sometime this century, and probably sooner rather than later.

    It's absurd when you understand that nations, borders, flags, religions, races, cultures and all the other things we go to war over are all artificially constructed fictions. Sport is our ritualized version of this urge to belong to a 'group' and then fight or compete with other groups.

    Its 7 billion people living on a ball of dirt, making up all these stupid groups, and fighting other made up groups. Usually for the most stupid of made up reasons, and toally contrary to the fact none of us actually want to die or kill other people, and would much rather live in peace than go to war.

    Yet the fiction is so pervasive, its impossible to think of a world without 'nations' and 'borders' and 'races' and 'cultures' and 'religions' and all that other made up shit, all competing with one another.

    On the off chance we instead wind up with global peace, resolve climate change, erase borders, put aside our differences, eradicate racism, engage in nuclear disarmament and so forth (which of course wont happen) then I wouldnt be shocked if shortly after that we are contacted by some form of alien life laying down the welcome mat.

    It wont happen though. We're entering critical mass, and I see nothing to indicate to me that we're evolved enough to put aside our differences, end war, and do the right thing. We'll all but certainly follow on in the footsteps of likely tens thousands of other species that have done the exact same thing and wiped themselves out at precisely this same point in their development.
     
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  5. Pessimistic

    Pessimistic TheBrownDog

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    Option 5 the cosmos is so spread out that even 100,000 years doesn’t get you very far. Did Fermi factor this in. IMO this aspect rarely gets mentioned, yet should be the very first thing mentioned.

    Estimated we have 60-70 years of radio emissions from earth, they’ve barely made it past Trappist, 44 ly away

    Even if there were a civilisation on Trappist, their responses wouldnt have made it back to us yet, even if sent almost immediately

    Q and A once every century or so. Also we’ve had other intelligent species on earth for Millenia. We still haven’t figured out how to converse with them effectively yet
     
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    Pessimistic TheBrownDog

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    When you evolve through the food chain, all those things are hard to achieve. Aggressiveness is a given. Ironically in humans its male, which we associate with testosterone. a quick look at other species shows us the females are much more deadly.

    AI seems doomed to the same fate, The largest funding for AI is for military purposes. Violence will be in AIs 'DNA' Asimov seems like a cute story.

    When you pause for thought, if there is a creator, its what the creator intended. The Jesus thing is just a cruel, hopeless joke.
     
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    He didn’t seem Christian. More or less said our perfect planet with its perfect moon and lucky recent history of not being wiped out by an asteroid or ourselves etc etc could mathematically be the only one. Based on a heap of assumptions of course.

    Now I don’t agree with him but it was still interesting. If we are alone, even in our corner of the universe, then in the unlikely case that as a species we keep our shit together the galaxy is all ours for the taking..

     
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    Pessimistic TheBrownDog

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    So how many decades or centuries since we started sending or receiving EMS broadcasts need to pass before we can statistically declare the Fermi Paradox to be more valid rather than a just a theory. our 70 years or so horizon/sphere at most would be an infintessiminally tiny part of whats out there

    Lets say we have 100 years of broadcasts then a catastrophy renders us and our emissions dead. a hypothetical listening civilization which mihgt be more than 100 light years away would start hearing it, keep hearing it for 100 years, but when they first hear it, we are already gone. if they sent return transmissions, they would arrive 100 years after our demise

    But you would hear transmissions from dead advanced civilizations, but the key is you need to be listenining long enough, due to the vast distances.

    Geting visits from alien civilizations without first hearing the broadcasts? unlikely under the Fermi theory
     
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