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Yes but Selwood put his head over the ball as hard as anyone ever, but did develop the arm raise to an art form. Greene has a list of indiscretions an arm long. Nothing like Selwood as a player.
Of course I know you weren't comparing them as players. Selwood was admired by just about everyone in football until he started ducking. Greene has irked most everyone with his wide range of indiscretions since he started.Except that I wasn't comparing them as players... Try reading what I've written.
In fact my original post almost directly serves as a answer to yours. Greene's 'indiscretions' should serve as no basis as to whether he gets a free kick or not, just as Joel's achievements and/or reputation should not influence his... In reality they clearly do which is the whole problem.
No one could ever question Selwood's attack on the pill, but his flopping/ducking in undeniable to anyone but those who have a dog in the fight of sticking up for him. I used those two as a comparison because it's stark that what Joel gets frees for, Toby does not. In reality, the free kick middle ground should land somewhere in between, Joel should get less and Toby should get more. Ducking and incurring high contact should not be rewarded where possible and obvious.
Agreed. Should have been stopped long ago but continues year after year. As much as he was a hot head, have a look back at the game where Hall belted Staker. If that was most other forwards in the league, Hall would have had about 5-6 frees for holding / prohibited contact off the ball paid to him before it got to that point. Instead, they let it go and Hall lost his s**t.Every team has players who don't seem to get a great deal from umpires, and every team has players who are well looked after by umpires. That has been going on since the beginning, and will never change.
Yep I couldn't believe, well actually I could, how bad it was.
By the looks of things he will never get a high free kick or paid for a good tackle the way things are.
To say Umpires are neutral and pay what they see is a complete lie and falsehood. Not just Toby but in general the umpiring has been inept to say the least lately.
I get that some people don't like Toby Greene. Apparently the umpires don't like him either.
It has gotten to the stage where he is being umpired with different rules to the other 43 players in the match.
He can't buy a free kick for a high tackle, yet if he knocks a player over in a fair contest, the whistle is blown against him.
We saw this on several occasions tonight alone.
Has it gone too far? Will the umpires ever forgive Toby for whatever it is he did to them? Should GWS put in a formal complaint?
Its no surprise that some players get treated harshly (Greene and Sicily are the obvious 2) and some players get ridiculously soft treatment (Goldstein one of many).
Another imaginary bias. In 42 games since the start of 2018, he has got 69 frees and given away 46. Career total 116 for, 86 against. They're doing an awful job of treating him harshly.
Yes, raw numbers with zero context tell everything.
That reminds me, I lost count how many times he got a free in what appeared a normal ruck duel on the weekend. 5+? But hey, I could've been missing something.Its no surprise that some players get treated harshly (Greene and Sicily are the obvious 2) and some players get ridiculously soft treatment (Goldstein one of many).
That reminds me, I lost count how many times he got a free in what appeared a normal ruck duel on the weekend. 5+? But hey, I could've been missing something.
and mason cox, what was he doing at the centre bouncesI noticed tonight that USA has learnt a few Toby tricks
I did see Raines whack someone big time behind play at Waverley (I think) once. He could dish it out but wasn't dirty by the standards of the day. As for Greene, it's only natural that someone with his style doesn't get the rub of the green from umps. If there's a 50/50 they're entitled to pay or not pay frees as they like and if someone's 'unfair' they'll usually choose the latter. I don't have a problem with it.Umpires always have discriminated. Geoff Raines B & F in a Premiership year, Brownlow favourite, 0 votes. That is just not possible without bias. And Raines was a very fair player, must have had a good mouth on him.
I'd say almost without question the umpires "pay what they see". Otherwise you are accusing them of cheating....and outside the heat of the moment I don't even think that of the umpiring Hawthorn copped, and I'm the biggest umpire whinger there is!
The problem starts (and finishes) is when the umpires are LOOKING for something.
They cannot possibly see (let alone call) every one of the 1000s of infringements each game, so their starting point is already looking at the "worst" infringements. (Hence diving/staging/appealing for frees becomes an issue).
They are coached to look out for certain players - both to protect, and to control. Toby is firmly in the "control" group.
I'm actually curious how he will be umpired against Hawthorn next week. The unstoppable force vs the immovable object = a fair go for Toby?