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kaiserchief13 said:
Eagles key forwards (Kennedy, Darling, Sinclair) alone got 10 free kicks. Why? Because Silvagni is useless, Johnson not far behind after his time off
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First to the ball didn't help us in the first derby,you lot still won the free kick count. Dagleish is a disgrace and should never be allowed to umpire an Eagles game.His bias is akin to cheating.
No matter how you try to spin it it was crap.20 to 7 in the first half basically gives you 2 extra players.
 
rodney hoo said:
Sandi and pav got smashed all day and get FA.
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i'm still not sure why Sandilands was getting free kicks paid against him.

At one point he was being bear hugged, shrugged the guy and got a free paid against.

another time he seemed to get a free against for holding his ground below the ball.
 
kaiserchief13 said:
Yes they were, but convenient of you to ignore the fact they assisted Fremantle the entire second half.
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I love to see the WCE mentality.

the free kicks were 7-20 at half time.

the game ended 19-32, so we both got 12 each in the second half

so clearly, in WCE minds, if the umpiring is even, that is clearly assisting the opposition.
 

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UFO Tatsu said:
When you go harder to the ball, you will almost always get more of the calls. Besides from the Sandi decisions, I wouldn't fault the umps for our lost.
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You would think so. Still it's hard to reconcile some of the lop-sided free kick counts against us over the past 2 seasons.

2014

Rd 2 v GC. 18-25. Freo won by 48 pts. *a

Rd 11 v WB. 4-19. Freo won by 38 pts.

Rd 13 v Rich. 13-20. Freo won by 20 pts. *a

Rd 19 v Car. 14-22. Freo won by 5 pts. *a*b*c

Rd 20 v Gee. 14-31. Freo lost by 2 pts. *c

2015

Rd 3 v WC. 13-20. Freo won by 30 pts. *b

Rd 5 v Mel. 14-19. Freo won by 68 pts.

Rd 7 v WB. 11-25. Freo won by 13 pts. *a*b*c

Rd 8 v NM. 17-22. Freo won by 73 pts.

Rd 16 v Car. 14-19. Freo won by 42 pts. *b

*a: Game umpired by Fisher.

*b: Game umpired by Dalgleish.

*c: Game umpired by Stevic.
 
Belnakor said:
Guys,

Just how badly did everyone think we got done in by the umpires?

when the game becomes available online, i'm going to go through and document every free kick, get an idea around how many were legit, how many were 50/50 and how many were the standard WCE advantage.

the free kick count was 7-20 at half time. The umps came up in the 3rd quarter and made sure they begun to even it up a bit. But the damage was really done.
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Serious question and not here trolling but did anyone actually watch the game again and focus on those 20 free kicks to half time?

Re watched the game today and in that 20 there were no howlers, in fact nearly all were there.

Probably 3/4 questionable ones that were at best 50/50

*Schofield sliding in and getting a too high (2nd quarter)

*Sandi throwing Lycett out of way (Not much in it) in the first quarter

* McGinnity getting a too high when picking the ball up.

Where were they "shocking" I just didn't see it yesterday
 
I see there is vision of the clash between Suban and Hannibal Masten that left Suban with an obvious bite wound in forearm.

Vision also shows Suban complaining to Dalgliesh and showing him the bite wound and Dalgliesh is at great pains to show his complete disinterest.

You have to wonder at the silence of the wc supporters who couldn't get on this board fast enough yesterday to condemn Silva for his incident. A bite from a human can have far more devastating consequences, yet nothing out of Dalgleish (big surprise) and nothing from the baying mob from yesterday
 
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Special Agent Utah said:
Serious question and not here trolling but did anyone actually watch the game again and focus on those 20 free kicks to half time?

Re watched the game today and in that 20 there were no howlers, in fact nearly all were there.

Probably 3/4 questionable ones that were at best 50/50

*Schofield sliding in and getting a too high (2nd quarter)

*Sandi throwing Lycett out of way (Not much in it) in the first quarter

* McGinnity getting a too high when picking the ball up.

Where were they "shocking" I just didn't see it yesterday
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I haven't rewatched it yet and at the game you often don't have the best angles but I think a lot of our angst is that whilst seemingly every questionable free was paid to WC, Freo appeared to get screwed. Push outs in marking contests uncalled, holding in a marking contest, incorrect disposal. All leave enough grey area that an umpire can influence results without giving away howlers. And yet they still managed to give away howlers.

All that said, part of the problem is that the AFL change their interpretations that often that what is a free kick one week/season is not the next. The umpires are making split second decisions and sometimes the correct decision is missed.

The other factor is that WC are great at making the umps aware that they feel they have been infringed against. They accentuate contact and they get rewarded for it. Perhaps, we need to look it something similar.
 
kaiserchief13 said:
So the 6 goal load was all umpires was it? Fremantle got decisions their way in 3rd qtr yet still couldn't close the lead
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Free kicks were even in the 2nd half.

Understandable how you could think that was us getting a good run given how used to hopelessly lopsided free kick counts you are.
 

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G Mus said:
If Pav got the umpire protection Kennedy did he'd kick twice the goals he has this year
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That was literally the only game this year that he was actually paid the free's he's deserved. Every other week he has 2-3 players hanging off him in every contest.

He was paid 5 free kicks yesterday and has 19 for the year. That leaves 14 free's for the other 18 games he's played this year. So other than yesterday, he averages less than 1 free kick a game. Including yesterday he averages exactly one free kick per game. Bugger all really.

I checked Pav's free kick record and he averages just under a free kick per game too, so he actually does receive the same protection that Kennedy does.
 
StingBitten said:
Are there any clear stats on free kicks for/against all the AFL teams aside from individually counting every game?
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Sorry to intrude, do you mean raw for and against, in which case you can sort the table from here. Richmond lead frees for by a mile (429 for, 2nd is North with 387. Eagles 7th with 343, Freo 10th with 334, only 9 frees more for West Coast).

Or do you mean the differential? Because for differential I believe you just have to do the maths on each one. Here's how it stands for this season:

  1. Richmond +68 (1st in frees for, 6th in frees against)
  2. Eagles +53 (7th, 18th)
  3. North +48 (2nd, 11th)
  4. Suns +34 (3rd, 13th)
  5. Collingwood +32 (13th, 17th)
  6. Hawthorn +20 (12th, 14th)
  7. Bulldogs +20 (15th, 15th)
  8. Carlton +14 (6th, 12th)
  9. Adelaide -10 (18th, 15th)
  10. Port -10 (14th, 10th)
  11. GWS -11 (11th, 9th)
  12. Melbourne -20 (9th, 7th)
  13. Essendon -24 (8th, 5th)
  14. Brisbane - 34 (5th, 2nd)
  15. Fremantle -37 (10th, 4th)
  16. St Kilda -45 (4th, 1st)
  17. Sydney -50 (16th, 3rd)
  18. Geelong -53 (17th most for, 8th most against)

Eagles massive advantage in differential comes from having the least frees against, 290. Most is St Kilda with 395. Fremantle have 371 against.
 
Nothing to see here Mr Dalgleish?

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Belnakor said:
I love to see the WCE mentality.

the free kicks were 7-20 at half time.

the game ended 19-32, so we both got 12 each in the second half

so clearly, in WCE minds, if the umpiring is even, that is clearly assisting the opposition.
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As opposed to the umpiring being uneven meaning the umps favoured one side....

The fact it was our tall forwards who gathered a lot of free kicks should highlight something to you.

Prior to the game, WC averaged less free kicks for per game than freo. As your own coach pointed out - you guys were very sloppy.

Enjoyed the rant though :thumbsu::thumbsu::rainbow::rainbow:
 
We were very poor and undisciplined yesterday but the "we were first to the ball therefore we got the frees" thing is crap. When we smashed the Weags in contested footy in round 3 we still comprehensively lost the free kick count. It's suss, very suss. It was actually the only statistical area we lost.
 
The one that continues to bug me is the shoulder flick from shuey to draw a high free kick (and yes he's not the only one, j Selwood miles and others are expert at it too)

It's a deliberate move, generally pretty obvious to pick out and should be interpreted the same as ducking/leading with the head IMO
 
When you see guys like Dawson and Silvagni clearly willing to play outside the rules you probably need to expect umpires to be hard on you. Quite a few of our players have a game style which is close to the edge. The worst umpiring for me in that game was the work the did on Sandilands, who was doing pretty much what he does every game, but being penalised. That kind of thing throws players off their game.
 
sproketman said:
Take out all of Silvagni's, which were certainly there, and it's not that big a deal.

There should certainly be questions asked about the ruck infringements Sandilands is having paid against him. It's as if he's being penalised for being too tall.
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Sandi got 2 free kicks which were there. I don't think there were others he should have got but one was paid against him for "shepherding" which was an absolute joke as all he did was jump early which is the same as all ruckmen do against him to combat his height. All of the free kicks paid against Silvanis were there as he made no attempt to go for the ball but simply pushed his opponent away from it without even looking at it, Fair dinkum I don't think I've ever seen anybody as clueless and I'm glad you'll have McPharlin back for the finals as Silvani is a liabilty.
 

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