Analysis Umpires

[VainGlorious]

You forgot aliens campaignery!

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

The problem with rigging a game is it would be near on impossible to keep it 'in house'. Who would need to be 'on the take'?

There are the umpires..
There are umpires support staff..
The AFL officials..
Club officials..

I would conservatively say about 15-20 people would need to be involved to rig a game.

How do you convince that many people to stay silent? What would it cost? How would you prevent it from comimg out after one of the conspirators gets a conscious?

Our umpires are part-time. Many are, or have been in positions of responsibility in their non AFL life (solicitors, real estate, accountants). Do you really believe that these professionaly employed people would put their AFL and non AFL careers in jeapordy to rig a game of footy?

If you haven't seen it yet. Watch it round 2 this year GWS V Nth that was the epitome of UMPIRE INFLUANCED

 

[KohPhi]

You forgot aliens campaignery!

Aliens.. all of em, I tells ya.

 

[Jabba73]

Aliens.. all of em, I tells ya.

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That is just terrifying ...

 

[KohPhi]

If you haven't seen it yet. Watch it round 2 this year GWS V Nth that was the epitome of UMPIRE INFLUANCED

I never said anything about umpires decisions influencing a game, I think there are factors that allow this to happen at times, namely errors and incompitence
My post was a direct response to RIGGING a game and the extreme difficulties in keeping that in house.

 

[Arr0w]

By this logic, no goal will ever win a game either, even if it is the last one kicked, as the other side has 120 minutes to counteract it before it happened so it didn't impact on the result.

Is it more likely that nothing that happens on the field influences the result of a game or is it more likely that anything that happens on the field has an influence, however minimal in the overall scheme of things?

Add all the minimal influences of a similar type together and they have an impact on the outcome of the game. That is why coaches, spectators and commentators all keep track of statistics like clearances, contested possessions and ultimately the scoreboard. Get enough of the right things in your favour and the cumulative effect can be reasonably argued as the reason you won a game.

Bad decisions or mistakes from participants similarly have an influence, the umpires are players in the game and their cumulative decisions can absolutely influence the outcome of a game. Some teams are so far ahead of others that any mistakes made by the umpire will only change the margin, not the outcome. It still impacts on the result.

If a side went error free, infringement wise how does an umpire have effect on a game?

As I stated earlier, could anyone refute that flag winning sides were on the wrong side of the free kick count, in any game?

 

[GoBlues!]

If you haven't seen it yet. Watch it round 2 this year GWS V Nth that was the epitome of UMPIRE INFLUANCED

Not to be confused with Umpire Flatulence.....

 

[thylacine60]

If you haven't seen it yet. Watch it round 2 this year GWS V Nth that was the epitome of UMPIRE INFLUANCED

3 posts of umpire bellyaching..........look forward to what you bring next...........pie prices? fascinating shit.......

 

[Jabba73]

If a side went error free, infringement wise how does an umpire have effect on a game?

A forward takes a mark by pushing his opponent under the ball, using his hands. If the umpire ignores the infringement, then it results in a shot on goal. If they pay the free kick to the defender, it is the same result as an intercept mark.

None of you are arguing that an intercept mark in defense has no bearing on the result, some are arguing an umpire paying (or not paying) a free kick has zero influence on a game. Not sure how the same result (the ball being given to the defender and preventing the forward from kicking at goal) can have zero influence on the result of the game one way, and plenty of influence the other. Illogical

 

[BeijingBlue]

It's like complaining about the wind, heavy ground and rain. The advice given to me by my high school footy coach 50 years ago still rings true - if we are good enough, the umpiring, weather and ground conditions are irrelevant.

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

Not to be confused with Umpire Flatulence.....

That's what that noise was thought it was my TV wish I talked to you earlier would have saved me some $$$$

 

[blue healer]

3 posts of umpire bellyaching..........look forward to what you bring next...........pie prices? fascinating sh*t.......

Just because it's your thread doesn't mean you need to terrorise it with your presence all the time. I thought you started this so people could bellyache here and keep it from other threads. Some people just can't relinquish control.

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

3 posts of umpire bellyaching..........look forward to what you bring next...........pie prices? fascinating sh*t.......

Got nothing against umpires....Just think that they are movie star wannabees...paying free kicks to get their face on TV...

 

[thylacine60]

love to hear your idea for afl games without them.........

 

[blue healer]

Not sure I'm smart enough after, a couple of Rums. to understand what Jabba's saying but I love the way he's saying

 

[Metalcrusher]

A forward takes a mark by pushing his opponent under the ball, using his hands. If the umpire ignores the infringement, then it results in a shot on goal. If they pay the free kick to the defender, it is the same result as an intercept mark.

None of you are arguing that an intercept mark in defense has no bearing on the result, some are arguing an umpire paying (or not paying) a free kick has zero influence on a game. Not sure how the same result (the ball being given to the defender and preventing the forward from kicking at goal) can have zero influence on the result of the game one way, and plenty of influence the other. Illogical

You had me at rum!

 

[blue healer]

love to hear your idea for afl games without them.........

All the spectators get one of those sets of diving one to tens and hold them up?

Might take a bit of developing.

 

[Jabba73]

love to hear your idea for afl games without them.........

Would have no influence on the result, pretty sure

 

[thylacine60]

nice!

 

[Jabba73]

Not sure I'm smart enough after, a couple of Rums. to understand what Jabba's saying but I love the way he's saying

Don't read it sober, ffs

Will make even less sense

 

[blue healer]

You had me at rum!

Think you may be worse than me cause he didn't even mention Rum, pretty sure.

 

[Arr0w]

A forward takes a mark by pushing his opponent under the ball, using his hands. If the umpire ignores the infringement, then it results in a shot on goal. If they pay the free kick to the defender, it is the same result as an intercept mark.

None of you are arguing that an intercept mark in defense has no bearing on the result, some are arguing an umpire paying (or not paying) a free kick has zero influence on a game. Not sure how the same result (the ball being given to the defender and preventing the forward from kicking at goal) can have zero influence on the result of the game one way, and plenty of influence the other. Illogical

Jabba, never said they don't have an influence, every act by player or umpire has an effect, although the player has greater control over said situation

All I have ever suggested is no game has been won or lost by an umpire error

 

[thylacine60]

stupid thread..........pretty sure........

 

[blue healer]

stupid thread..........pretty sure........

I actually think a nice mix between stupid and a waste of time but some seem to like it.

 

[thylacine60]

think I have the perfect blend..........