Analysis Umpires

[WFGodot]

Go.

@Aph can you please remove my access to this thread? Thanks.

Thy, umpiring is a campaigner of a job, we all know it. They do it well more often than not. Some are better than others.
I do feel for them but I have no issue calling a turd a turd for ANY participant/official, player, coach, administrator umpire!

 

[katmanblue]

Blamer

Who, the umpire? By definition it's what they do. Assign blame for an infringement and award a free kick to the opposing team.

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[jj1978]

They get paid 10k to umpire a grand final and a reasonable amount for a H&A game, so it’s fair to expect a base standard. They have standards that must be met in terms of how fast they can run X kms, and how high and competent they can bounce the ball. Can’t see how Razor and Eleni pass the bounce the ball sniff test.

 

[carlton_99]

They get paid 10k to umpire a grand final and a reasonable amount for a H&A game, so it’s fair to expect a base standard. They have standards that must be met in terms of how fast they can run X kms, and how high and competent they can bounce the ball. Can’t see how Razor and Eleni pass the bounce the ball sniff test.

Just get rid of the bounce in my opinion. It's very rarely straight and the umpires are incredibly inconsistent in which ones are recalled. And when the bounce does favour one of the rucks there is always some sort of blocking free pulled out. Just throw it up and avoid all that

 

[gbatman]

Just get rid of the bounce in my opinion. It's very rarely straight and the umpires are incredibly inconsistent in which ones are recalled. And when the bounce does favour one of the rucks there is always some sort of blocking free pulled out. Just throw it up and avoid all that

The bounce was relevant before the inner circle, it's a relic of the past that makes no sense and holds the game up unnecessarily. It adds nothing at all. I agree, just throw it up.

 

[Blues_1864]

The bounce was relevant before the inner circle, it's a relic of the past that makes no sense and holds the game up unnecessarily. It adds nothing at all. I agree, just throw it up.

It adds PCL injuries... I was also interested to read that the umpires themselves have long wanted it gone - back problems from practising it, plus female umpires being blocked from progressing because they can't do it.

I personally quite like the centre bounce - it is a wonderfully unique thing - but these days, I think there are plenty of good reasons to consign it to history.

 

[I bleed Blue]

The bounce was relevant before the inner circle, it's a relic of the past that makes no sense and holds the game up unnecessarily. It adds nothing at all. I agree, just throw it up.

It's actually really annoying whenever they need to call it back and bounce again. And a waste of time.

Just bounce it to start the game. Throw it up after that.

 

[OldBlueFan]

It's actually really annoying whenever they need to call it back and bounce again. And a waste of time.

Just bounce it to start the game. Throw it up after that.

The bounce has become an anachronistic farce. In earlier games, free kicks were paid against Pittonet for blocking after bad bounces. Last night a free kick (and centre clearance and goal) was paid against TDK for a "push" due to a bad bounce.

So you have umpires failing to execute the bounce properly and then pulling free kicks out of their arse as direct result of their own failure.

Just throw it up and you remove at least one of the frustrating inconsistencies in umpire interpretations.

 

[RPCB]

Just get rid of the bounce in my opinion. It's very rarely straight and the umpires are incredibly inconsistent in which ones are recalled. And when the bounce does favour one of the rucks there is always some sort of blocking free pulled out. Just throw it up and avoid all that

A particularly bad one yesterday wasn’t recalled that went to *’s advantage. Two minutes later, Bulldogs kicked a goal. It was pretty satisfying.

 

[JustaBattler]

Every week examples of silly AFL rules/ interpretations/errors/human interventions etc etc etc blah blah designed to make the game 'different' to rugby and pretty much just underlining the fact that AFL is by design over umpired. What makes the game a good watch is linked to what makes officiating the game frustrating to watch at times.

Embrace the chaos!

 

[Revenant1995]

Every week examples of silly AFL rules/ interpretations/errors/human interventions etc etc etc blah blah designed to make the game 'different' to rugby and pretty much just underlining the fact that AFL is by design over umpired. What makes the game a good watch is linked to what makes officiating the game frustrating to watch at times.

Embrace the chaos!

I don't think the game is being 'over umpired'. Some time ago, after a game of more free kicks than other games, I came across article below (and others like it) that show overall free kick numbers have dropped in past 50 years. I think the problems are the rule changes, where rules are brought in to deal with 'issues', and then create so many others issues.

Holding the ball, throws, trying to eliminate contact whilst at the same time wanting to pretend it's a 'contact sport' all get me, together with inconsistencies of umpiring across (and in) games, all annoy me.

Some other rules changes I like (like the quick kick out after a point is scored, and the ability to play on from same).

Whilst it's easy to hammer umpires, it's almost like AFL needs key stakeholders (with players and fans being at the top of the list) sitting down and revisiting some of the rules. But it would need a really good facilitator, and I currently have little faith in AFL house. Too many conflicts of interest....

Just my opinion...

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[JustaBattler]

I don't think the game is being 'over umpired'. Some time ago, after a game of more free kicks than other games, I came across article below (and others like it) that show overall free kick numbers have dropped in past 50 years. I think the problems are the rule changes, where rules are brought in to deal with 'issues', and then create so many others issues.

Holding the ball, throws, trying to eliminate contact whilst at the same time wanting to pretend it's a 'contact sport' all get me, together with inconsistencies of umpiring across (and in) games, all annoy me.

Some other rules changes I like (like the quick kick out after a point is scored, and the ability to play on from same).

Whilst it's easy to hammer umpires, it's almost like AFL needs key stakeholders (with players and fans being at the top of the list) sitting down and revisiting some of the rules. But it would need a really good facilitator, and I currently have little faith in AFL house. Too many conflicts of interest....

Just my opinion...

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My meaning of over umpired isn't the number of free kicks: it is the ability of umpiring to influence each and every game played and its outcome that is too often too impactful on outcomes.

 

[Sector 7G]

They get paid 10k to umpire a grand final and a reasonable amount for a H&A game, so it’s fair to expect a base standard. They have standards that must be met in terms of how fast they can run X kms, and how high and competent they can bounce the ball. Can’t see how Razor and Eleni pass the bounce the ball sniff test.

I think you will find Elani is one of the better bouncer of the ball. Her poor efforts yesterday were still in the circle, just a little low.

 

[thylacine60]

Sometimes it seems like instead of the game moving from one contest to another it's moving from one umpiring call to another. This stilted, over officiated version of the game is hard to watch.

 

[lily of laguna]

Sometimes it seems like instead of the game moving from one contest to another it's moving from one umpiring call to another. This stilted, over officiated version of the game is hard to watch.

Agree, often umps blow the whistle if there hasn't been a stoppage for while just to keep their whistles wet!

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[Gethelred]

Sometimes it seems like instead of the game moving from one contest to another it's moving from one umpiring call to another. This stilted, over officiated version of the game is hard to watch.

That's how I feel about netball, but that can still be a highly watchable sport.

Part of the problem is that even with the new dissent 50's, you're still seeing a significant amount of time pass between the whistle blowing and play resuming. Get a ball into their hands - any ball, from anywhere - and get the game moving again. If the ball isn't returned to the vicinity of the offending player, pay the 50; if the ball isn't in the right player's hands, call play on; if the ball isn't moving, get it moving.

How about they change the nature of free kicks between the arcs? Instead of 'you must take your kick, be returned behind the mark, umpire's discretion on advantage', any of your players within proximity can take the kick, advantage is entirely within your discretion and once taken it's gone, and you can get the ball moving from any point without needing to take it back behind the free kick line.

 

[thylacine60]

players can actually contest for the ball without infringing - as in, it has been known to happen......one of the contentious issues that exists is we the supporters are looking for the great play, big pack mark and tough, committed contest - the umps, like fluorescent wine judges, are looking for faults first and goodness second..........thus the whistle on constant ready for the blowup...........

 

[Kruezing]

players can actually contest for the ball without infringing - as in, it has been known to happen......one of the contentious issues that exists is we the supporters are looking for the great play, big pack mark and tough, committed contest - the umps, like fluorescent wine judges, are looking for faults first and goodness second..........thus the whistle on constant ready for the blowup...........

And it’s not their fault … it’s those that they are directing them that are giving them no chance whatsoever to umpire on instinct or to adjudicate with any consistency by changing rules and interpretations every two seconds …

 

[jj1978]

I think you will find Elani is one of the better bouncer of the ball. Her poor efforts yesterday were still in the circle, just a little low.

Agree she's okay with straightness but height has always been her issue which is an issue as low bounces are just as bad as wonky ones.

 

[gbatman]

It adds PCL injuries... I was also interested to read that the umpires themselves have long wanted it gone - back problems from practising it, plus female umpires being blocked from progressing because they can't do it.

I personally quite like the centre bounce - it is a wonderfully unique thing - but these days, I think there are plenty of good reasons to consign it to history.

With all the rule changes we get, it's a wonder that this one hasn't been touched on. It's not a matter of if but when, eventually the bounce will be gone and so it should be. A pointless part of the game, for all the talk about umpire shortages etc, this would be one change that could have a positive effect.

 

[thylacine60]

And it’s not their fault … it’s those that they are directing them that are giving them no chance whatsoever to umpire on instinct or to adjudicate with any consistency by changing rules and interpretations every two seconds …

bang bang bang!

 

[thylacine60]

With all the rule changes we get, it's a wonder that this one hasn't been touched on. It's not a matter of if but when, eventually the bounce will be gone and so it should be. A pointless part of the game, for all the talk about umpire shortages etc, this would be one change that could have a positive effect.

I hate agreeing with this so I won't. But I rarely disagree with G-man so I won't. Oh the humanity......

 

[gbatman]

I hate agreeing with this so I won't. But I rarely disagree with G-man so I won't. Oh the humanity......

What have we become....

 

[OldBlueFan]

I'm starting to think that most of the issues with the game stem from the AFL's "jobs for the boys" mentality. Positions aren't earned on merit, knowledge or expertise, it's just the "good bloke" rule.

No-one is casting an eye over the game from a genuinely impartial perspective in terms of what's best for the game, the players, the umpires et al.

 

[ajb72]

Agree she's okay with straightness but height has always been her issue which is an issue as low bounces are just as bad as wonky ones.

low bounces are worse than wonky ones as ruckmen dont have time to adjust and if it is straight their forces are towards the other ruckman rather than more upwards.