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Arr0w said:
No player, anywhere, would have this view regarding any game

An example of this would be the decision against Betts in the Essendon game.
If Townsend kicked that goal, most would have blamed the outcome on the umpire, despite the decision being the correct one
The real truth would have been not capatilizing on our countless opportunities to put them away earlier
But as usual, it's someone else's fault
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Plenty of footage of umpires being chased off a field in other sports. :)
Some umpires have even been killed, haven't they?

It is possible for an official to play a large part in the outcome of the game....It is possible.
 
GapInIkonPark said:
Not when umps don’t pay holding the ball in our favour but do so against us.
Not when league urges umpires to tighten up on holding the ball and they do for our match but not in the next match.
Cost us a couple of goals on Thursday night in my opinion.
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FFS, you simply do not get it.
Fell on death ears.
Do not worry. You are not alone.
Most do not looking at the type of discussion going on.
 

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The outcome of a game is predicated on several factors - not least to mention the performance of the players playing. It’s undeniable though that umpiring decisions (the act of paying a free kick and the decision not to pay a free kick in a particular circumstance) do have an effect on the outcome of the game - that outcome could be the margin itself or, in a close game, who wins or loses.

I thought that perhaps the removal of the crowd factor would improve the standard of umpiring as they would not feel compelled to award crowd-induced free kicks. But with the prevailing subjective element for umpiring, it still stinks. That “dangerous tackle” decision that directly resulted in a goal was a blatant howler.
 
Arr0w said:
You think a partner being murdered is the right analogy in a game where an umpire makes a bad decision is relevant?

No, don't think that exposes any flaws in my opinion regarding AFL outcomes
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So if a game is perfectly umpired, then with 10 seconds to go with scores level, there’s a ridiculous free kick and 50m paid in the middle, that decision has no impact on the result?
 
Arr0w said:
You really need to dig deeper mate

No player, anywhere, would have this view regarding any game

An example of this would be the decision against Betts in the Essendon game.

If Townsend kicked that goal, most would have blamed the outcome on the umpire, despite the decision being the correct one

The real truth would have been not capatilizing on our countless opportunities to put them away earlier

But as usual, it's someone else's fault
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The discussion has nothing to do with 'us'.
The umpires changed the outcome of the Adelaide Fitzroy game. You said it doesn't ever happen, and were shown a clear example that proved you wrong.
 
Franc de Borges said:
So if a game is perfectly umpired, then with 10 seconds to go with scores level, there’s a ridiculous free kick and 50m paid in the middle, that decision has no impact on the result?
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Of course it does. Why are we even arguing over this?
e.g. A team is 5 points up and the backman lays a perfect tackle, gets up to take his kick but the free goes to his opponent who kicks the goal to win the game.

This has a clear effect on the outcome and nothing that preceded it, changes this fact.....It would be a fact.

Just because we can't find an example of this, doesn't mean it cannot happen. It could happen this weekend.
 
Franc de Borges said:
So if a game is perfectly umpired, then with 10 seconds to go with scores level, there’s a ridiculous free kick and 50m paid in the middle, that decision has no impact on the result?
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This is exactly what I mean, have you considered the actions/execution, good, bad, in the first 119 minutes would/should eliminate, one poor decision?
 
Stamos said:
The discussion has nothing to do with 'us'.
The umpires changed the outcome of the Adelaide Fitzroy game. You said it doesn't ever happen, and were shown a clear example that proved you wrong.
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Stamos, keep looking for a fall guy

If a side misses countless opportunities to put the game away in the first 118 minutes, all those actions is what leads to a possible loss, not contention decisions in the last minute or so in a game

Control what you can control, don't worry what you can't
 

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Arr0w said:
This is exactly what I mean, have you considered the actions/execution, good, bad, in the first 119 minutes would/should eliminate, one poor decision?
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Of course there may be other factors, but in this example the final act is the biggest factor. You refuse to accept this.
 
Arr0w said:
Stamos, keep looking for a fall guy

If a side misses countless opportunities to put the game away in the first 118 minutes, all those actions is what leads to a possible loss, not contention decisions in the last minute or so in a game

Control what you can control, don't worry what you can't
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But the umpire can still, also, change the result.
A team can, despite the previous clangers and missed shots, be in a position where they would win, but for a (or several) poor umpiring decision.

Sure, from a coaching perspective you want the players to focus on what they themselves can control. This does not negate the fact that umpires do on occasion affect results (which includes the margin, not just whether a game is won or lost).
 
Stamos said:
But the umpire can still, also, change the result.
A team can, despite the previous clangers and missed shots, be in a position where they would win, but for a (or several) poor umpiring decision.

Sure, from a coaching perspective you want the players to focus on what they themselves can control. This does not negate the fact that umpires do on occasion affect results (which includes the margin, not just whether a game is won or lost).
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Momentum, a 5 minute block, sure and hence margins, I would concede

But not wins and losses
 

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The problem is our club is too busy trying to please the AFL (better words then what I wanted to say), then bother to raise these weekly cheating biased decisions with them. Eddie, Clarko, Scott’s and others have no problem in voicing their concerns with these and there is no coincidence they are frightened to pay an incorrect decision against their teams. It’s up to our club to fix it - grow some.....
 
Arr0w said:
Momentum, a 5 minute block, sure and hence margins, I would concede

But not wins and losses
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There’s a massive external factor outside our control impacting whole world right now.

Should anyone in financial hardship, now without a job, have saved their whole lives in order to have a buffer for times like this? Could they have?

Maybe, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’d still have a job and be better off financially without this external factor.
 
Franc de Borges said:
There’s a massive external factor outside our control impacting whole world right now.

Should anyone in financial hardship, now without a job, have saved their whole lives in order to have a buffer for times like this? Could they have?

Maybe, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’d still have a job and be better off financially without this external factor.
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These are unprecedented times, none of us have ever seen/experienced this
 

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