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Blue and Blue said:
It worked fine for a hundred years and more.
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But to be fair, it's not working in the context of the modern game. The clock stops much more than it did in the past. And as per the analysis they mentioned in one of the footy shows, recalled bounces are removing about 30 - 40 seconds of play per game, on average.

You have rules about time wasting these days, and other rules about maintaining the flow of the game, in that context, recalled bounces don't fit.
 
Blue and Blue said:
It worked fine for a hundred years and more.
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Define 'worked fine'.
They also never recalled a bad bounce for over a hundred years either. They also used to bounce the ball at ALL ruck contests around the ground.
Just because something has been done a certain way for a long time, doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be changed. It's heading that way. Umpires are getting back issues from it. We could be missing out on some good umpires simply because they aren't good at bouncing the ball.
There's literally no good reason to keep it, other than tradition and for the 'purists', which is just a term for people who don't want to accept change.
 
OldBlueFan said:
But to be fair, it's not working in the context of the modern game. The clock stops much more than it did in the past. And as per the analysis they mentioned in one of the footy shows, recalled bounces are removing about 30 - 40 seconds of play per game, on average.

You have rules about time wasting these days, and other rules about maintaining the flow of the game, in that context, recalled bounces don't fit.
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Go watch the 80's...big scores meant many more bounces and boundary throw ins in far greater numbers. Its a snowjob they are are doing on the public as they tear away all that made it a great outdoor sport and pander to the designer tv game.
 

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Blue and Blue said:
Go watch the 80's...big scores meant many more bounces and boundary throw ins in far greater numbers. Its a snowjob they are are doing on the public as they tear away all that made it a great outdoor sport and pander to the designer tv game.
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Not sure that I'd classify the umpire bouncing the ball as an aspect that "makes it a great outdoor sport". Need to pick your battles man ...
 
OldBlueFan said:
Not sure that I'd classify the umpire bouncing the ball as an aspect that "makes it a great outdoor sport". Need to pick your battles man ...
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Didnt know it was a battle..I thought it was a simple exchange of thoughts.

I would agree this is the wrong thread for it however.

I am an old blues fan too and when I go to the games now it's a poor comparison to what I used to go and see.
 
Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods said:
Define 'worked fine'.
They also never recalled a bad bounce for over a hundred years either. They also used to bounce the ball at ALL ruck contests around the ground.
Just because something has been done a certain way for a long time, doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be changed. It's heading that way. Umpires are getting back issues from it. We could be missing out on some good umpires simply because they aren't good at bouncing the ball.
There's literally no good reason to keep it, other than tradition and for the 'purists', which is just a term for people who don't want to accept change.
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Yes times change and us old blokes die away. But change is never never ever always for the better.
Often it is simply for changes sake alone. Meddling with things cos they can.
As to umpires back issues...thanks...made me laugh that one....:thumbsu: :D
 

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Blue and Blue said:
Yes times change and us old blokes die away. But change is never never ever always for the better.
Often it is simply for changes sake alone. Meddling with things cos they can.
As to umpires back issues...thanks...made me laugh that one....:thumbsu: :D
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It's also not always to the detriment of the game either.
The only thing that changes if the bounce is removed, is that the 'purists' say "I miss the bounce" and we get fairer more 50/50 ruck contests.

As for the umpire back issue thing, as humourous as it sounds, it's actually a thing. There was a story done on it a few seasons ago when there was another push to get rid of the bounce.
 
Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods said:
It's also not always to the detriment of the game either.
The only thing that changes if the bounce is removed, is that the 'purists' say "I miss the bounce" and we get fairer more 50/50 ruck contests.

As for the umpire back issue thing, as humourous as it sounds, it's actually a thing. There was a story done on it a few seasons ago when there was another push to get rid of the bounce.
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To be honest I dont care much about the bounce but call it symbolic. I don't go to games to see what umpires do at all. But it was the topic of the moment and I do miss the way footy used to be. Back before we always lost. I liked how it was played. Hard and brutal and spectaular. Liked seeing the reserves first. The marks. Blokes kicking a hundred goals. Teams kicking a hundred points very often instead of just now and then. Not needing a bank loan to go and watch it..etc etc etc

On the bad backs I laughed because I thought, serves them maggots right....lol
 
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Blue and Blue said:
Didnt know it was a battle..I thought it was a simple exchange of thoughts.

I would agree this is the wrong thread for it however.

I am an old blues fan too and when I go to the games now it's a poor comparison to what I used to go and see.
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It's a figure of speech ... not meant to be taken literally.

In this case meaning of all the things that make our game great, I think the actual bounce is very very low on the list of things to want to cling too and to get too involved in debates about.

Especially - as your later post points out - it seems that so many things that really do make our game great have gone by the wayside.
 

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ajb72 said:
There is so much that could be covered in this thread.

But i'll tell you from experience, and don't need Gill to say it, umpire numbers are down in a big way.
Factor in covid, suburban and country football barely have enough umpires, let alone good ones.
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In a discussion I’m having in another thread, the league my brother coaches in have brought in a last touch rule this year, largely in part because they can’t get enough umpires.

They are in division one.
 
teagueyubeauty said:
Yep, only ball bounced in the centre should be at the start of every quarter…for tradition reasons only


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If we really wanted to be traditionalists, we could go back to the last touch rule, if a player kicks the ball or forced the ball out of bounds.

Or we could bring back the bell.
 
Blue and Blue said:
It worked fine for a hundred years and more.
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Sorry, do we know that?

How many games have you attended? What percentage of all the games of AFL/VFL played would you say you've attended? How many games do you remember the bounce being shit?

How many games were televised? They get the best umps for those, what about all the ones that went untelevised? What about the twos?

Can we really unequivocally state that "it's been fine" ?
 
Gethelred said:
Sorry, do we know that?

How many games have you attended? What percentage of all the games of AFL/VFL played would you say you've attended? How many games do you remember the bounce being shit?

How many games were televised? They get the best umps for those, what about all the ones that went untelevised? What about the twos?

Can we really unequivocally state that "it's been fine" ?
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then you could argue, if it wasn't fine, why has it taken so long to do something about it?
 
ajb72 said:
then you could argue, if it wasn't fine, why has it taken so long to do something about it?
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... this is a little silly. Do you want me to point to all the problems - not just within football, but with wider society - that we could fix with the right application of effort, money, etc?

All that's required to change something is a) an admission that something is not working or wrong, b) the will and an urgency to change it, and c) the power/finances to do so.

Blue and Blue argued that there is nothing wrong; I asked them to prove it.
 

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