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JustaBattler said:
I called Williamson out last time and predicted pre-game he would have a bad influence and pointed out his multiple biased interpretations during. Yes umpiring in the end cant be pointed to as 'the difference' but it played a significant role and even Voss referred to it obliquely in his presser.

You cant gift Geelong 3-4 goals against the run of play and think it won't impact on the end result Doch's free against was an absolute disgrace - picking technical frees when they had no bearing on contests except to gift Geelong forward momentum is just bad umpiring as if they feel the need to impose themselves to justify their yellow shirts with special numbers on the back.

On the way the team played I think there was a fair amount of undisciplined behaviour - the around the contest set ups were abysmal gifting them easy exits and depriving our own teams ability to go forward after Walsh or Kennedy won the ball. Cripps and the coaches allowing Cripps to be double-teamed without tactical response after the coaches had seen the same tactics employed last week against Melbourne- just very ordinary. SOJ pushing blokes in the back - irrespective of whether they had teh ball or not is a just undisciplined crapola.

meh it was an expected loss from me - but doesn't make it taste any better.
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The second SOS down the ground was also a joke. Bloke just fell over.
 
thylacine60 said:
I don't think I've seen a carlton-geelong match for quite a while consequently I was pretty shocked to see selwood getting booed every time he got a kick (maybe not in moving play). This bloke has been booed his entire career. His entire career? it was something I struggled to place in the context of things.
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Not me. I only boo umpires.
 
I went for a wander through the match thread. There's a reasonably prominent poster there who probably posted over a dozen times. I don't think he mentioned anything other than the umpires. This is the sort of person who an entire stand of spectators would move away from as the game progressed. He knows who he is and he might wanna think about following a sport where there are zero adjudication variables.
 

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harmesy 37 said:
I found it amusing watching The First Crack last night and they highlighted all these incidents from Port players, Collingwood etc where players duck to game the rules and draw a free kick, yet the legend Selwood wasn't mentioned once and he is by far the biggest recidivist in the league. It's like doing a documentary on popular music and not mentioning The Beatles. The general respect Selwood has in the media means that he is not drawn into the discussion.
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On Selwood and Dusty in particular, as an armchair expert I find it staggering that teams can watch these players every week for a decade or more, yet still not be ready for a Dusty fend off or a Selwood shrug for a high tackle.

Surely for other professional players, nullifying these things isn’t that hard.
 
DangerousD said:
On Selwood and Dusty in particular, as an armchair expert I find it staggering that teams can watch these players every week for a decade or more, yet still not be ready for a Dusty fend off or a Selwood shrug for a high tackle.

Surely for other professional players, nullifying these things isn’t that hard.
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The reaction time with tackling would be so small at AFL level that it would be incredibly difficult to think "oh this is Selwood... have to tackle extra low". The dropping of the knees and the lifting the arm should just be treated like ducking. If you do it and get tackled it's not high and it counts as your prior
 
I reckon the umpires made a dozen mistakes during the game.
I reckon the players probably made 5 times that. Missed kicks, skill errors, dropped marks, at least 4 or 5 OOF, missed handballs..

Constant umpire 'blaming' for a loss is at best an emotional release (I get that) at worst, ignorant.

Perspective.
 
Stamos said:
It's not about the numbers.
It's about if the decisions are correct, and then if they are applied consistently.
Cripps is constantly held. He should get a stack more frees than he does.
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Meh..
Every Club's supporters can change Cripps to insert their own midfield bull.
 
thylacine60 said:
it's never about the numbers, unless it helps the narrative of course...........
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To be fair the numbers really don't mean much across a season. Free kicks are more often then not given to teams with the ball. Dogs 3rd for disposals, 1st for free kick differential. Blues 1st for disposals, 2nd for free kick differential. Cats and Dogs got the most frees last year and were 1st and 2nd for disposals. Anyway not sure there is really a point of having an "Umpires" thread if people aren't just free to post what they want here. Even though I do agree with you that when it comes to umpiring everyone is clearly biased and often forget the swings and roundabouts that come with umpiring.
 
so ok to belittle, abuse, bleat, moan, blame and demean umpires - blame them for results that the players have brought on themselves - but not allow any support for umpires? have I read the thread title incorrectly, cause I wasn't under the impression it was created solely for the those who continually abuse, blame & undermine their role in the game........?
 

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thylacine60 said:
so ok to belittle, abuse, bleat, moan, blame and demean umpires - blame them for results that the players have brought on themselves - but not allow any support for umpires? have I read the thread title incorrectly, cause I wasn't under the impression it was created solely for the those who continually abuse, blame & undermine their role in the game........?
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Agree. The thread is definitely not for abusing or undermining umpires. But I don't think there is anything wrong with discussing umpiring and even critiquing their performance as we do with players/coaches etc - even in games when they didn't have a major influence on the result
 
carlton_99 said:
Agree. The thread is definitely not for abusing or undermining umpires. But I don't think there is anything wrong with discussing umpiring and even critiquing their performance as we do with players/coaches etc - even in games when they didn't have a major influence on the result
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Yep.. we have the match threads for that.
 
originally it was to shut all the bleaters away so I didn't have to read their nonsense - unfortunately like some sort of masochistic idiot, I keep visiting......
 
carlton_99 said:
So if the match threads are where umpiring is supposed to be discussed what is the purpose of this thread?
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My bad.. I didn't explain myself properly 😀..What I meant was, jump in to any given match thread, and the 'woe us... the umpires hate us' is a common theme.
 

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JustaBattler said:
Doch's free against was an absolute disgrace - picking technical frees when they had no bearing on contests except to gift Geelong forward momentum is just bad umpiring as if they feel the need to impose themselves to justify their yellow shirts with special numbers on the back.
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But it was technically there. He shouldn't have put himself in a position where it could be paid. We're undisciplined.

Meanwhile, tell me why again I have to listen to 'stand' shouted for 2 hours...

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KohPhi said:
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Criticism of umpires and number of frees isn't really comparable. Cripps gets held at every stoppage. Hence all the frees. He also puts his head over the ball and wins free kicks.

You can earn a lot of free kicks legitimately and still be burnt by bad decision making.
 
Brackets said:
But it was technically there. He shouldn't have put himself in a position where it could be paid. We're undisciplined.

Meanwhile, tell me why again I have to listen to 'stand' shouted for 2 hours...

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How was it technically there? He got tackled immediately after getting the ball?

Then the umpire blows 50 immediately despite the fact that the Geelong player, Hawkins I think has the ball and was in the process of ripping it out of Dochs arms.

Garbage decision
 
KohPhi said:
I reckon the umpires made a dozen mistakes during the game.
I reckon the players probably made 5 times that. Missed kicks, skill errors, dropped marks, at least 4 or 5 OOF, missed handballs..

Constant umpire 'blaming' for a loss is at best an emotional release (I get that) at worst, ignorant.

Perspective.
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I watched the game with my brother and spent the night reminding him of the conditions on the night. There was a howling gale in Melbourne, which I assume translated into crazy swirls within the confines of the MCG. After one goal there was a long-haired Cats player heading back to the centre and I swear his hair was blowing in at least 3 different directions depending on where he was on the ground.

I think equating player skill errors in a) crazy weather conditions and b) under extreme opponent pressure, with umpire judgement errors is bit of a strawman argument.

Also, I think most folks have repeatedly said that they don't think the umpiring was the difference between a win and a loss, so they're not blaming the loss on that. They are however complaining about the lack of consistency, a lack of game sense and some howlers that they witnessed on the night, which is fair enough.
 
thylacine60 said:
so ok to belittle, abuse, bleat, moan, blame and demean umpires - blame them for results that the players have brought on themselves - but not allow any support for umpires? have I read the thread title incorrectly, cause I wasn't under the impression it was created solely for the those who continually abuse, blame & undermine their role in the game........?
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I will have none of that talk.

It‘s good to belittle, abuse, bleat, moan, blame and demean people. Healthy for society.

Now allow me to go and jump off a cliff for writing that. :(
 
OldBlueFan said:
I think equating player skill errors in a) crazy weather conditions and b) under extreme opponent pressure, with umpire judgement errors is bit of a strawman argument
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Agree about the conditions on Sat night. My point stands though.. In any given game, in any State and in any weather condition, players will make significantly more errors than umpires that will influence the outcome of a game.
No different to league, union, soccer, basketball etc.

And it's not the criticism of umpires that is the issue, I have no issue with that.
it is the bullshit claims of bias, cheating and umpire insert name/number here hates Carlton that is laughable.
 

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