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you need to monitor your breakfast ingredients more closely - when you've done that - and only then - please bring me the evidence of afl games being fixed and/or umpires/players being in collusion and/or on the take - I shall then happily remove my support and any further interest in the game - thanks
The only ump whose name I know is the chromosomal question mark who goes by the name of Williamson and wears jumper number 22 - true story. Thats all you get because I have to cook dinner now.
 
The AFL and the inept umpires have made this rod for their own backs. It's human nature that the fans don't want to see gimps yelling stand and acting like school teachers by screaming at players. The 50 paid against Docherty in the Geelong game changed the whole momentum. It was ridiculous.

Simple fix. Remove 50 meter penalties. Have someone review each game and dish out fines of 15k for time wasting and other offences. They will disappear overnight. If 15k isn't enough make it 30k
 
I didn’t enjoy the game. Umps poor decisions didn’t help. They have to get the obvious ones right.

50 against doc was an absolute woeful decision.

Stocker getting his head rammed into ground ...how was that missed??

Bump to Cripps head while he had his head over ball...

That’s 3 really important decisions they got wrong/missed.

Then they give duckwood easy high frees ...he was ducking all night.

How in this day and age they can so many obvious decisions wrong is beyond me.
 

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You only have to look so far as the AFL's corrupt free agency compensation for Daniher, compared against Jarrad Waite who we received NO compensation for.
Still not sure if you are serious or not but might be wise to remember that Waite was 32 in the first year that he played at North. He had played 11, 14 and 16 games in his last three years with us.

I joke about the compensation a bit but at best we were probably looking at a 4th round pick.

To compare his free agency to Daniher's (at age 26) is a bit like comparing apples to a 500 litre bottle of orange juice.
 
Still not sure if you are serious or not but might be wise to remember that Waite was 32 in the first year that he played at North. He had played 11, 14 and 16 games in his last three years with us.

I joke about the compensation a bit but at best we were probably looking at a 4th round pick.

To compare his free agency to Daniher's (at age 26) is a bit like comparing apples to a 500 litre bottle of orange juice.
I don't agree. Jarrad Waite signed a 2-year deal, yes at age 31, but having previously been a highly contracted player at Carlton and was on decent money at the Roos. While i'm not arguing the compensation should have been the same, the fact that we got nothing for Waite whereas Essendon were gifted a first round section for a three year deal on pretty average money for a bloke who had barely played a game in two years shows the corrupt nature of the AFL. While we haven't had many players lost via free agency, numerous other free agency trades around the league have gone through for more money and far less compensation than was provided to Essendon with respect to Daniher. The Daniher compensation was one of the most obvious examples of the corrupt nature of the AFL in recent years.
 
No one is saying the game is completely fixed, but the scales are weighted.
So they have or haven't taken measures?
You only have to look so far as the AFL's corrupt free agency compensation for Daniher, compared against Jarrad Waite who we received NO compensation for.
One has nothing to do with the other
 
Looks like there is some sort of tactics being implemented to bully people into not raising concerns against or debate against cheating bias UMPIRES. Well luckily I won’t be silenced and I hope others won’t either so please carry on...........
 
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Looks like there is some sort of tactics being implemented to bully people into not raising concerns against or debate against cheating bias UMPIRES. Well luckily I want be silenced and I hope others won’t either so please carry on...........

People here? Bang that drum as loud as you want. I love a good conspiracy theory, then I ask for facts

Please show me where the afl or umpires have conspired against Carlton
 
The AFL and the inept umpires have made this rod for their own backs. It's human nature that the fans don't want to see gimps yelling stand and acting like school teachers by screaming at players. The 50 paid against Docherty in the Geelong game changed the whole momentum. It was ridiculous.

Simple fix. Remove 50 meter penalties. Have someone review each game and dish out fines of 15k for time wasting and other offences. They will disappear overnight. If 15k isn't enough make it 30k
The 50 against Doc (which I suspect was an error even the AFL would admit) changed the game? Come on mate.
 
What’s for dinner

Shredded lamb shanks in heavy tomatoe sauce cooked along with the usual onion, garlic, olives and JaaB's secret herbs mix for 4 hours over the top of some nice spaghetti.
 

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Shredded lamb shanks in heavy tomatoe sauce cooked along with the usual onion, garlic, olives and JaaB's secret herbs mix for 4 hours over the top of some nice spaghetti.
Magnifique JAB
you would make a good wife
 
he is the only umpire with Whom I take issue.
Same here - the only yellow shirt whose name I bothered to look up after too many wtf episodes over too many games...
 
Magnifique JAB
you would make a good wife
Why thank you Eskie - I'm honoured !

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“The AFL has sought to clarify its position on head-high contact.

It says a player with the ball, who is deemed to have a prior opportunity, and attempts to shrug, duck or lift an arm will be called for holding the ball.”

Yeah this will really clarify things. Umpire has to decide if there was prior opp, an attempted shrug, duck or arm lifting involved to call HTB. Good luck trying to call that consistently.
 

“The AFL has sought to clarify its position on head-high contact.

It says a player with the ball, who is deemed to have a prior opportunity, and attempts to shrug, duck or lift an arm will be called for holding the ball.”

Yeah this will really clarify things. Umpire has to decide if there was prior opp, an attempted shrug, duck or arm lifting involved to call HTB. Good luck trying to call that consistently.
Pick any game this weekend and track the frees and stoppages attributed to a player dropping their knees. The above exploitation is trivial in comparison.
 

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I don't agree. Jarrad Waite signed a 2-year deal, yes at age 31, but having previously been a highly contracted player at Carlton and was on decent money at the Roos. While i'm not arguing the compensation should have been the same, the fact that we got nothing for Waite whereas Essendon were gifted a first round section for a three year deal on pretty average money for a bloke who had barely played a game in two years shows the corrupt nature of the AFL. While we haven't had many players lost via free agency, numerous other free agency trades around the league have gone through for more money and far less compensation than was provided to Essendon with respect to Daniher. The Daniher compensation was one of the most obvious examples of the corrupt nature of the AFL in recent years.
Yes the Daniher deal was very dodgy, as quite quickly down the track the Lions tacked another two years onto his original contract with the extra amount of money being part of the true deal involved and he was on less money over five years, whereas his first contract actually made it look like he was getting a bigger amount for those three years, and that deal was cooked up between Brisbane and * and the AFL knew what they were doing as other clubs bitched that something wasn`t kosher about the whole thing, but the AFL still gave the bummers the early pick. I still remember the other clubs scoffing when the Lions quickly added the extra years to the deal......and I agree that the AFL treated us badly with the Waite non-compo thing, as North obviously thought he still had something left in him.....
 
Williamson and Eleni, though it seems Eleni has been demoted to VFL for sometime now.


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Elani just isn't a very good umpire.

Williamson and who ever the frogfaced individual that wears Number 26 .. they seem to have a deliberate nature to their poor decisions. I've said it before, their umpiring is either intentionally corrupt, unintentionally biased, or negligently bad. In either case it's their and, or, the AFL's fault and we are right to criticise them.
 
Elani just isn't a very good umpire.

Williamson and who ever the frogfaced individual that wears Number 26 .. they seem to have a deliberate nature to their poor decisions. I've said it before, their umpiring is either intentionally corrupt, unintentionally biased, or negligently bad. In either case it's their and, or, the AFL's fault and we are right to criticise them.
Hanlon's razor: never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Umpiring is hard. Umpires are not full time, and don't spend all their time being an umpire. Umpires are treated terribly, and the AFL is only interested in bandaids to prevent this.

You have less people choosing to be umpires, which means you get people whose skills are simply not there at the top level. There's nothing deliberate necessary to explain why it's the way it is; it's just incompetence. People being promoted above their abilities, because there simply aren't enough quality umpires and the rules are ****ed.
 
Hanlon's razor: never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.

Umpiring is hard. Umpires are not full time, and don't spend all their time being an umpire. Umpires are treated terribly, and the AFL is only interested in bandaids to prevent this.

You have less people choosing to be umpires, which means you get people whose skills are simply not there at the top level. There's nothing deliberate necessary to explain why it's the way it is; it's just incompetence. People being promoted above their abilities, because there simply aren't enough quality umpires and the rules are *ed.
Correct, but the AFL is still responsible here. First, they could simplify and streamline the rules and stop introducing rules designed to artificially impact the product to allow the game to be more easily umpired. Second, they could provide a more enticing and supportive umpiring network through higher pay and full time position / framework. They waste plenty of money on various programs which do not impact the core product. Instead they should be focussing on maintaining the excellence of the core product and the rest will flow from there.
 
Correct, but the AFL is still responsible here. First, they could simplify and streamline the rules and stop introducing rules designed to artificially impact the product to allow the game to be more easily umpired. Second, they could provide a more enticing and supportive umpiring network through higher pay and full time position / framework. They waste plenty of money on various programs which do not impact the core product. Instead they should be focussing on maintaining the excellence of the core product and the rest will flow from there.
I don't disagree with any of that. All I was objecting to was the idea that any of the current set of umpires goes out there with a deliberate intent to pay frees one way.

Over the Covid seasons, we've seen the effects of the crowd on umpiring; the umps were significantly better in the rounds where the crowds weren't there. They called a little less frees per game, and they didn't make as many obvious mistakes and the home ground bias that is frequently seen in free kick tallies wasn't there. Then, once crowds were reintroduced, the umps were worse than they had ever been as far as guessing, overumpiring and pandering to the crowd goes. I think there was a game in QLD where Richmond won the free kick count the week before with no crowd, and only had 4 frees the following week while their opponent had over 40.

While the AFL don't help matters, the real problem umps have is us. We yell at them, tens of thousands of us going up and baying for a free when we see it happening. I did the maths once, and found that WC's differential at home is genuinely the most obscene statistic in the comp.

I'd love to see a long term study done within AFL circles - as we have larger crowds than most sports, and more frequent adjudication than comparable games - as to the effects of crowd noise and audience bias on umpiring. The AFL would never publish the ****ing thing - because it'd show that their umpires are not impartial - but it'd at least demonstrate to them that there's a problem that is getting worse the more popular the sport becomes.
 

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