Umpires!!

[raikkonen]

If the umps were fair today the crows would have been 5 goals less.

They are nothing team full of old players.

and the style of play is just plain ugly.


They may make the finals but will go out first week they are no better tahn most tema sout of the 8.

Free kick count wasnt over inflated in our favour. Yes we had the better run, but to say we would have kicked 5 less goals is ridiculous.

And our team is full of old players?
McLeod, Goodwin, Edwards, Bassett in the senior bracket yesterday; and Stevens and Massie in the 'getting on' category. 6 out of 22 is hardly 'a nothing team full of old players.' This team of nothing players has 2 more wins this year than yours.

 

[Beloved]

Free kick count wasnt over inflated in our favour. Yes we had the better run, but to say we would have kicked 5 less goals is ridiculous.

And our team is full of old players?
McLeod, Goodwin, Edwards, Bassett in the senior bracket yesterday; and Stevens and Massie in the 'getting on' category. 6 out of 22 is hardly 'a nothing team full of old players.' This team of nothing players has 2 more wins this year than yours.

Don't worry about it mate, after a loss, a lot of our blokes ark up and throw whatever as an excuse.

We were outplayed yesterday, that's that.

 

[fryingpan]

So it was the umpires fault that Carlton kicked 3.6 in the last quarter?

You had your chances.

All the best for next week.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

So it was the umpires fault that Carlton kicked 3.6 in the last quarter?

You had your chances.

All the best for next week.

I don't think anybody claimed the umpires caused Carlton to waste their chances in the last quarter. Different issue completely.

 

[PHOOTEE]

I'm not a Carlton supporter but i reckon that there was nothing wrong with the umpiring at all.

There's always next week boys.

 

[thylacine60]

I'm not a Carlton supporter but i reckon that there was nothing wrong with the umpiring at all.

There's always next week boys.

Then the question has to be asked, why aren't you a Carlton supporter?

 

[The Cranium]

Then the question has to be asked, why aren't you a Carlton supporter?

Something to do with a "toothbrush" I would think

 

[thylacine60]

Something to do with a "toothbrush" I would think

Logical input again, RallyMan.

 

[mightymightyblues]

Free kick count wasnt over inflated in our favour. Yes we had the better run, but to say we would have kicked 5 less goals is ridiculous.

And our team is full of old players?
McLeod, Goodwin, Edwards, Bassett in the senior bracket yesterday; and Stevens and Massie in the 'getting on' category. 6 out of 22 is hardly 'a nothing team full of old players.' This team of nothing players has 2 more wins this year than yours.

*Players listed in bold will be 25 or over by the end of the year
By the end of this year, the crows players that played yesterday will be:
Gill:26
Moran:22
Massie:28
Thompson:25
Van Berlo:22
Basset: 32
Edwards:32
Doughty:29
Shirley:28
Symes:23
Vince:23
Maric:22
Knights:22
Mcleod:32 (tomorrow in fact)
Rutten: 25
Douglas: 20
Stevens: 26
Rielly: 25
Goodwin:32
Porplyzia: 24
Bock:25
Campbell:24

Who's in/could make their best 22:
Johncock:26
Burton:30
Hentschall:26
Biglands:31
McGregor:27

Average age:25.33
Players in current best 22 who will be 25 or over by the end of this year: 18




By the end of the year the Carlton players that played yesterday will be:
Walker:22
Russel:22
Murphy:21
Gibbs:19
Judd:25
Simpson:24
Kreuzer:19
Fisher:24
Browne:19
Grigg:20
Betts:22
Austin:19
Stevens:28
Fevola:27
Armfield:22
Cloke:24
Scotland:28
Waite:25
Thornton:25
Wiggins:26
Jamison:22
Carrazzo:25

Who's in/could make our best 22:
Hadley:25
Bower:20
Hampson:20
O'Hailpin:25
Houlihan:26

Average age:22.74
Players in current best 22 who will be 25 or over by the end of this year: 11

Almost 3 years difference..
It may not seem like much but by the time Goodwin,Mcleod,Burton,Edwards,Massie,Stevens,Shirley,Doughty etc retire players like Murphy,Gibbs,Kreuzer,Jamieson, Betts Walker, Bower hampson and a long list of others, will be hitting their peak.
Adelaide are in for a very long haul of rebuilding while we are only going to get better as we already have the lineup that will last us 10 plus years. Good times ahead blues fans!

 

[fryingpan]

*Players listed in bold will be 25 or over by the end of the year
By the end of this year, the crows players that played yesterday will be:
Gill:26
Moran:22
Massie:28
Thompson:25
Van Berlo:22
Basset: 32
Edwards:32
Doughty:29
Shirley:28
Symes:23
Vince:23
Maric:22
Knights:22
Mcleod:32 (tomorrow in fact)
Rutten: 25
Douglas: 20
Stevens: 26
Rielly: 25
Goodwin:32
Porplyzia: 24
Bock:25
Campbell:24

Who's in/could make their best 22:
Johncock:26
Burton:30
Hentschall:26
Biglands:31
McGregor:27

Average age:25.33
Players in current best 22 who will be 25 or over by the end of this year: 18




By the end of the year the Carlton players that played yesterday will be:
Walker:22
Russel:22
Murphy:21
Gibbs:19
Judd:25
Simpson:24
Kreuzer:19
Fisher:24
Browne:19
Grigg:20
Betts:22
Austin:19
Stevens:28
Fevola:27
Armfield:22
Cloke:24
Scotland:28
Waite:25
Thornton:25
Wiggins:26
Jamison:22
Carrazzo:25

Who's in/could make our best 22:
Hadley:25
Bower:20
Hampson:20
O'Hailpin:25
Houlihan:26

Average age:22.74
Players in current best 22 who will be 25 or over by the end of this year: 11

Almost 3 years difference..
It may not seem like much but by the time Goodwin,Mcleod,Burton,Edwards,Massie,Stevens,Shirley,Doughty etc retire players like Murphy,Gibbs,Kreuzer,Jamieson, Betts Walker, Bower hampson and a long list of others, will be hitting their peak.
Adelaide are in for a very long haul of rebuilding while we are only going to get better as we already have the lineup that will last us 10 plus years. Good times ahead blues fans!

Why does every Carlton fan think they're gonna be this unstoppable force just because you have so many youngsters??

Just because you're average age is less than the Crows, doesn't mean you're gonna be better than us in the future.

Take a look back at all the predictions over the years, we were never expected to win back to back flags, were predicited to finsih bottom 4 in 2005 & 06 yet made the prelim final twice and again this year we're sitting 6th after we were predicted to fall because our team is "too old" and "rely on their older brigade to win them games" (van Berlo, Moran, Shirley & Maric were our best 4 yesterday btw, wheres Goody, Macca, Edwards, Burton, Stevens? I thought we only win games when they're playing well?) Every single year all these brainiacs tell us how we're going to freefall and be in the bottom 4, and every single year they're proven to be clueless idiots.

Whatever you may think, our youngsters can match it with Carltons and it showed today. Maric 29 hitouts, Moran 9 hitouts compared to Kruezer 9 hitouts & Cloke 7 hitouts. van Berlo gathering 40 touches and Mackay & Douglas standing up when needed. A lot of your younger brigade went missing today when the going got tough.

 

[mightymightyblues]

The difference with the ruck pares are Kreuzer hasn't even played 20 games yet and Cloke is having his first uninterrupted season in his career, let alone he isn't an established ruckman.
But when the likes of Kreuzer and Hampson get enough games and experience under their belt, we will have a pretty decent ruck pair.

Also my point I was trying to make was that so many of your key position players are old and only a few years from retirement which will leave a big hole in your team when they walk away from the game.

Our future Kp players are all young, so we won't have to worry about the gap they will make when they retire for some time..

Back in 04, some of Adelaides Kp players were still young and others middle ages and still had many years left in them. So it gets me thinking, who will step up in the absence of such stars when their time is up?

 

[wdgann]

Will demand as a tax paying citizen (AFL probably gets some sort of govt support), that I come in and have the director of umpiring take me through the match

There must have been at least 20 free kicks to us that weren't given simply because there was no roar from the crowd

Will report back

 

[fryingpan]

The difference with the ruck pares are Kreuzer hasn't even played 20 games yet and Cloke is having his first uninterrupted season in his career, let alone he isn't an established ruckman.
But when the likes of Kreuzer and Hampson get enough games and experience under their belt, we will have a pretty decent ruck pair.

So what? It's not like our ruckmen are experienced either mate.

Maric - 25 games
Moran - 3 games
Tippett - 17 games
Griffin - 28 games

Cloke - 43 games
Kruezer - 16 games
Hampson - 8 games

In the Round 6 game, our ruck dominated & Griffin (28 games) got 3rd best on ground.

Yesterday, our ruck dominated again, with 22 more hitouts and Maric & Moran were both in our top 4 best players.

Also my point I was trying to make was that so many of your key position players are old and only a few years from retirement which will leave a big hole in your team when they walk away from the game.

Please do some research before you say we have no young KPP's. I am aware that Carlton have some quality KPP's but don't just shoot your mouth off when you obviously don't know much about Adelaide's young stocks.

 

[parrot]

So what? It's not like our .....

The Crows list is old and plays extreme defensive ultraflooding yawnfest rubbish football. Got you across the line yesterday, but has no future.

 

[Bluebear]

So it was the umpires fault that Carlton kicked 3.6 in the last quarter?

You had your chances.

All the best for next week.

No. Its their fault we had to kick strighter to win.

Crows should never have hit the front.

Armchair ride for the last 3/4 of the game. Esp Moran with two goals gift wrapped to him. One fo a fingernail in the back, the other a non call on Austin when Moran shoved him under the ball.

There's the win.........the other calls are just for the margin.......such as Thornton's non mark.

 

[fryingpan]

No. Its their fault we had to kick strighter to win.

Crows should never have hit the front.

Armchair ride for the last 3/4 of the game. Esp Moran with two goals gift wrapped to him. One fo a fingernail in the back, the other a non call on Austin when Moran shoved him under the ball.

How very ungracious of you.

Classy

 

[Coopers]

What are you suggesting - this is a calton supporter only love-in?

 

[Jeremias]

So what? It's not like our ruckmen are experienced either mate.

Maric - 25 games
Moran - 3 games
Tippett - 17 games
Griffin - 28 games

Cloke - 43 games
Kruezer - 16 games
Hampson - 8 games

Don't be so naive as to think that the only real gauge of experience is how many senior games they have played.

Maric - Recruited in 2004 draft (4th year)
Moran - Recruited in 2004 draft (4th year)
Tippett - Recruited in 2006 (2nd year)
Griffin - Upgraded in 2005 having spent at least 1 year on the rookie list (3rd year on senior list)

Cloke - Recruited in 2002 (6th year)
Kreuzer - Recruited in 2007 (1st year)
Hampson - Recruited in 2006 (2nd year)

Use your brain. It's no surprise thar you beat us in the ruck considering our number 1 ruckman is 195cm, and a battler at best.

Compared to our ruckmen, yours are seasoned veterans. Their bodies are much bigger and they are a hell of a lot stronger.

Take your own advice and do some research. Or alternatively, let us make you look like a fool again, and again, and again. It sure as hell gets repetitive though.

 

[fryingpan]

Don't be so naive as to think that the only real gauge of experience is how many senior games they have played.

If you didn't already know, I was quoting mightymightyblues because he mentioned that Kruezer had played only 16 games so I responded with how many Maric, Griffin & Tippett have played. Makes sense to me.

I guess it's the fact that YOU are the ones that are naive, as you like to put it, if you don't think our ruckman will get any better. Maric isn't playing to his full potential yet, Tippett is in his first year, and Griffin was still dominating in the ruck even though he was carrying a hip injury. Still all young and will only get better.

 

[Bluebear]

How very ungracious of you.

Classy

.......and I'm wrong.......where exactly?

Crows should have been embarrassed to sing the song after that.

Ratts would have been contemplating a "Not a bad player that number 14" Clarkson type remark, but he can see better uses for the $5k.

Umpires get stuff wring every week, as they did when we played the Bombers last time........but the fact is Hille and Watson smashed us out of the centre.

I am happy in one respect after the weekend........the Crows hold on us is over, and with some slightly better play, we could have beaten Swans, Dogs and Crows in successive weeks.

Bodes well for next year, and with better skills, the umpiring won't be able to influence the result........sadly, Saturday........it did.

To get Collingwood supporters on SEN talkback......not gloating about us losing..........but talking aout how Carlton was robbed..........say no more.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Thing is,
it was one of those games where everytime the umpire blew his whistle,
the game simply stopped, no-one really knew if it was a ball up or a free,
think Gibbs gave up a 50 in the third thinking it was advantage,
and quite a few times the second umpire was paying frees from 40 yards away.

Both sides were stiffed,
as there was no consistency.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

What are you suggesting - this is a calton supporter only love-in?

I am suggesting that this is the Carlton board and opposition supporters should consider their words prior to posting to ensure that they are respectful.

 

[Bluebear]

think Gibbs gave up a 50 in the third thinking it was advantage,

Did the ump consider why Gibbs tackle suddenly went high?

Maybe the Crows player dropped as he was being tackled..........Gibbs had every right to think he had won the free.......and should of.

 

[fryingpan]

.......and I'm wrong.......where exactly?

Crows should have been embarrassed to sing the song after that.

Yep you are wrong. Crows got stuffed over by the umps on several occassions as well mate. Free kick count ended at 28-23. Nothing out of the ordinary.

I am happy in one respect after the weekend........the Crows hold on us is over

2 outta 2 wins against you this year says otherwise.

and with some slightly better play, we could have beaten Swans, Dogs and rows in successive weeks.

lol so I guess that means I can say, with some slightly better play & better umpiring decisions, we should have beaten the Dogs & Hawks this year because we only lost to them by 3 & 4 points? Shit, we'd be in the top 4 with some "slightly better play" !!

Bodes well for next year, and with better skills, the umpiring won't be able to influence the result........sadly, Saturday........it did.

Nah it didn't mate. The better team won, we took our opportunities but Carlton did not, and kicking 3.6 in the last term showed this. You only have yourselves to blame. It's a shame really because many Carlton fans have accepted the fact that they were beaten by a better team but then fans like you come along and don't give credit where credit's due. Stop blaming the umpires and give some respect to Adelaide.

 

[Jeremias]

If you didn't already know, I was quoting mightymightyblues because he mentioned that Kruezer had played only 16 games so I responded with how many Maric, Griffin & Tippett have played. Makes sense to me.

I guess it's the fact that YOU are the ones that are naive, as you like to put it, if you don't think our ruckman will get any better. Maric isn't playing to his full potential yet, Tippett is in his first year, and Griffin was still dominating in the ruck even though he was carrying a hip injury. Still all young and will only get better.

And where did I say that the Adelaide ruckmen won't be getting any better? In fact, where did anyone say that your ruckmen won't be getting any better?

To be honest most of us would have expected that you beat us in the ruck, as most teams have this year. Fact is, Keuzer, Hamspon cannot compete with guys that have bigger bodies as a result of being in the system for a while longer.

If you honestly can't see the correlation between how long someone has been on an AFL list and their subsequent development in both skill and body size, then you seriously need help.