Umpiring standards 2019

[OnceWeWereKings]

Actually no, Razor is a proper umpire. Breust took an age. More umpires should call that s**t.

Razor also called HTB in the Richmond v Collingwood game (forgot who on) because they took too long. Most umpires let players go 1020 for 10 seconds before disposing (like Buddy when he held it that long last night).

People have to stop this stupid mentality that umpires need to be lenient on rules or to warn players etc- no, they need to enforce the rules. Razor does this, unfortunately his colleagues do not back him up which makes him look inconsistent.

For example - when an umpire is asking a player to come backwards 1, 2 3 metres whatever it should be asked once and if they immediately do not comply its 50.

If a player takes a mark in their defensive goal square, the mark is set at the 9m Mark. Players shouldnt need to be told this, if they dont back up - 50.

We need to stop excusing player ignorance on rules by lambasting umpires.

We also need to start holding commentators who dont know the rules to account. Lingy is absolutely incorrect with his incorrect disposal interpretation last night and yet gets a pat on the back from his cronies and every moron at home thinks its a blown call when it wasn't.

Fair enough, that very soft free with the tap is awful but when Buddy launches himself into a pack on the ground and drags the ball in what does he expect?

Sydney gave away about 8 free kicks in the last qtr when the game was gone. The count wouldve been slightly in the crows favour but the difference would not have been as steep.

Did the crows get some cheapies? Yep.

Did the Swans get away with a few? Yep. Examples- multiple swans just stepped out of bounds last night and didnt get pinged for it (unlike Tex the week earlier), rushed a point through from about 80m out with no pressure and it wasnt called, Eddie doesnt even take possession yet is tackled and its holding the ball.

Get over it Swans, Port, Carlton fans, Swans were way second best and the umpiring didn't lose you the game.

If we look more broadly umpiring is s**t because the rules are s**t- your anger is better placed at the doors of AFL house who have increased the workload of the umpiring department. They need to simplify. The AFLPA also has a lot to answer for.

If you dont like a law, you dont whinge to the cops, you whinge to the pollies. The cops just enforce the s**t laws they are given. Same thing here.

The counter argument to this is that the majority of rules haven’t changed since inception, in particularly holding the ball.
Yet it’s the interpretation of the rules that change season to season and sometimes week to week dependent on the latest AFL / media decree that has most of the punters confused.
The Ling example you highlight isn’t so much about the actual rule, moreso the interpretation of it.
There has been minimal changes to the basis of the holding the ball rule since it was developed, it’s simple in the written form.
Yet the inconsistencies lie in how each umpire interprets the rule. If our rules allow for interpretation in the decision making then we are bound to have inconsistencies.
If a 250 odd game AFL premiership captain and every moron at home thinks it should be interpreted a particular way, then surely this is the way the rule should be interpreted?
I believe most want the game “interpreted” in a basic format, yet the way our game is umpired has morphed towards a more technical interpretation of how the rules are applied within a game, and this is where most of the frustration lies with us morons.
If the umpires are looking for technical infractions within a rule, and are then applying their personal interpretation of what that infraction was all within a split second then we are bound to have inconsistencies.
When the game is umpired in a less technical manner, IE; when a player has been blantently impeded by another and this has impacted that players ability to contest the football, then most of us morons applaud the way the game has been umpired.
Take most technicality and personal interpretation out of the umpiring and the game would be better for it.
Pretty much how the finals are umpired each year, it’s pretty simply really.
It isnt a coincidence that the greatest exponent of the technical, personal interpretation umpring style has only umpired one Grand Final in his career.

 

[CrowInFiji]

The counter argument to this is that the majority of rules haven’t changed since inception, in particularly holding the ball.
Yet it’s the interpretation of the rules that change season to season and sometimes week to week dependent on the latest AFL / media decree that has most of the punters confused.
The Ling example you highlight isn’t so much about the actual rule, moreso the interpretation of it.
There has been minimal changes to the basis of the holding the ball rule since it was developed, it’s simple in the written form.
Yet the inconsistencies lie in how each umpire interprets the rule. If our rules allow for interpretation in the decision making then we are bound to have inconsistencies.
If a 250 odd game AFL premiership captain and every moron at home thinks it should be interpreted a particular way, then surely this is the way the rule should be interpreted?
I believe most want the game “interpreted” in a basic format, yet the way our game is umpired has morphed towards a more technical interpretation of how the rules are applied within a game, and this is where most of the frustration lies with us morons.
If the umpires are looking for technical infractions within a rule, and are then applying their personal interpretation of what that infraction was all within a split second then we are bound to have inconsistencies.
When the game is umpired in a less technical manner, IE; when a player has been blantently impeded by another and this has impacted that players ability to contest the football, then most of us morons applaud the way the game has been umpired.
Take most technicality and personal interpretation out of the umpiring and the game would be better for it.
Pretty much how the finals are umpired each year, it’s pretty simply really.
It isnt a coincidence that the greatest exponent of the technical, personal interpretation umpring style has only umpired one Grand Final in his career.

Its not that everyone at home thinks that way, but when Ling has a history of being incorrect on rules goes on TV and states it as fact, it influences everyone who doesn't know the rule. And no, he didn't state it as an interpretation or opinion, he tried to break the rule down and explain it and was flat out wrong. That's not okay.

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Its not that everyone at home thinks that way, but when Ling has a history of being incorrect on rules goes on TV and states it as fact, it influences everyone who doesn't know the rule. And no, he didn't state it as an interpretation or opinion, he tried to break the rule down and explain it and was flat out wrong. That's not okay.

For me personally, I didn’t believe the player had prior opportunity. Thought it should have been play on.

 

[mike123]

Actually no, Razor is a proper umpire. Breust took an age. More umpires should call that s**t.

Razor also called HTB in the Richmond v Collingwood game (forgot who on) because they took too long. Most umpires let players go 1020 for 10 seconds before disposing (like Buddy when he held it that long last night).

People have to stop this stupid mentality that umpires need to be lenient on rules or to warn players etc- no, they need to enforce the rules. Razor does this, unfortunately his colleagues do not back him up which makes him look inconsistent.

For example - when an umpire is asking a player to come backwards 1, 2 3 metres whatever it should be asked once and if they immediately do not comply its 50.

If a player takes a mark in their defensive goal square, the mark is set at the 9m Mark. Players shouldnt need to be told this, if they dont back up - 50.

We need to stop excusing player ignorance on rules by lambasting umpires.

We also need to start holding commentators who dont know the rules to account. Lingy is absolutely incorrect with his incorrect disposal interpretation last night and yet gets a pat on the back from his cronies and every moron at home thinks its a blown call when it wasn't.

Fair enough, that very soft free with the tap is awful but when Buddy launches himself into a pack on the ground and drags the ball in what does he expect?

Sydney gave away about 8 free kicks in the last qtr when the game was gone. The count wouldve been slightly in the crows favour but the difference would not have been as steep.

Did the crows get some cheapies? Yep.

Did the Swans get away with a few? Yep. Examples- multiple swans just stepped out of bounds last night and didnt get pinged for it (unlike Tex the week earlier), rushed a point through from about 80m out with no pressure and it wasnt called, Eddie doesnt even take possession yet is tackled and its holding the ball.

Get over it Swans, Port, Carlton fans, Swans were way second best and the umpiring didn't lose you the game.

If we look more broadly umpiring is s**t because the rules are s**t- your anger is better placed at the doors of AFL house who have increased the workload of the umpiring department. They need to simplify. The AFLPA also has a lot to answer for.

If you dont like a law, you dont whinge to the cops, you whinge to the pollies. The cops just enforce the s**t laws they are given. Same thing here.

I tend to agree with this, there is no such thing as a soft free kick, you either infringed or didn’t. If umpires were more strict and didn’t leave the “soft” ones go the game would be much more consistent. It’s this mindset that you shouldn’t pay “soft” free kicks that’s holding the game back.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

I dont think it was to a level you could describe as corrupt which is absolutely what several fans are claiming.

Sydney were incredibly ill disciplined last night and especially in the last 10 mins of the last qtr if we look at the raw count.

When I used the term corrupt on the Swans board I was paying the umpires the compliment of not being THAT incompetent.

 

[CrowInFiji]

For me personally, I didn’t believe the player had prior opportunity. Thought it should have been play on.

Thats fine. That isnt the issue. Ling stated that if there is no prior then you can't dispose incorrectly which simply isn't true. You can't throw the ball as soon as you are tackled.

 

[Triniboy]

Why do so many Crow fans get so wound up...
Early in the last quarter it looked like there could be an exciting finish, umpires buried that fairly quickly not recalling centre bounce (goal crows) and not paying Reid a free 15m out. Swans players heads dropped game over.

 

[Luv_our_club]

Actually no, Razor is a proper umpire. Breust took an age. More umpires should call that s**t.

Razor also called HTB in the Richmond v Collingwood game (forgot who on) because they took too long. Most umpires let players go 1020 for 10 seconds before disposing (like Buddy when he held it that long last night).

People have to stop this stupid mentality that umpires need to be lenient on rules or to warn players etc- no, they need to enforce the rules. Razor does this, unfortunately his colleagues do not back him up which makes him look inconsistent.

For example - when an umpire is asking a player to come backwards 1, 2 3 metres whatever it should be asked once and if they immediately do not comply its 50.

If a player takes a mark in their defensive goal square, the mark is set at the 9m Mark. Players shouldnt need to be told this, if they dont back up - 50.

We need to stop excusing player ignorance on rules by lambasting umpires.

We also need to start holding commentators who dont know the rules to account. Lingy is absolutely incorrect with his incorrect disposal interpretation last night and yet gets a pat on the back from his cronies and every moron at home thinks its a blown call when it wasn't.

Fair enough, that very soft free with the tap is awful but when Buddy launches himself into a pack on the ground and drags the ball in what does he expect?

Sydney gave away about 8 free kicks in the last qtr when the game was gone. The count wouldve been slightly in the crows favour but the difference would not have been as steep.

Did the crows get some cheapies? Yep.

Did the Swans get away with a few? Yep. Examples- multiple swans just stepped out of bounds last night and didnt get pinged for it (unlike Tex the week earlier), rushed a point through from about 80m out with no pressure and it wasnt called, Eddie doesnt even take possession yet is tackled and its holding the ball.

Get over it Swans, Port, Carlton fans, Swans were way second best and the umpiring didn't lose you the game.

If we look more broadly umpiring is s**t because the rules are s**t- your anger is better placed at the doors of AFL house who have increased the workload of the umpiring department. They need to simplify. The AFLPA also has a lot to answer for.

If you dont like a law, you dont whinge to the cops, you whinge to the pollies. The cops just enforce the s**t laws they are given. Same thing here.

Bruest didn't take an "age". He immediately turned to Razor and asked whose free kick and then turned immediately to throw the ball to Betts. Razor blew the whistle for 50 on the basis that Bruest "should have known whose free kick it was", not how long he took. It was 3-5 seconds.

 

[CrowInFiji]

Bruest didn't take an "age". He immediately turned to Razor and asked whose free kick and then turned immediately to throw the ball to Betts. Razor blew the whistle for 50 on the basis that Bruest "should have known whose free kick it was", not how long he took. It was 3-5 seconds.

I respect your differing view.

 

[ziad]

I want to avoid club/game issues as this can skew the dIscussion. Just as most commentators do not have a clue about the Laws of the Game.
However the number of obvious significant free kicks ignored is terrible. Lets not discuss bad bounces gifting a team a goal but not recalled for PR value.
It appears that some Laws have been earmarked to be ignored this season.
The good news is that the new Laws have not impacted the great game -other than lower scoring. The old unintended consequences keep biting the AFL - that and the fact that teams are copying imperfectly the Eagles game plan.

 

[ItsGameTime]

Where are the good umpires?

i.e. Nicholls and Deboy.

 

[SSSSSS]

This has been one of the worst weeks for umpiring that I can remember.

Mason Cox report.
The farce that was the Adelaide Swans game.
Hawthorn Bulldog screwjob.

Unbelievable.

 

[Gaborone]

Worst display of umpiring I've ever seen today at the Hawthorn v Western Bulldogs game. Inconsistent, confusing and those new rules

 

[footy75]

Swans always get raped by the umpires.... nothing new there...even in Grand Finals.

No home ground advantage up there with their quiet supporters.

 

[FISTO]

Been pretty good so far

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

officiating is s**t in all of sports. even with VAR soccer has become a bigger joke

AFL is over umpired . its become too technical.

but but but i thought everyone wanted violence and thuggery out of the game? well this is what you get. a soft game

 

[HairyO]

officiating is s**t in all of sports. even with VAR soccer has become a bigger joke

AFL is over umpired . its become too technical.

but but but i thought everyone wanted violence and thuggery out of the game? well this is what you get. a soft game

Most people wanted gut punches gone. But who the hell asked for pushing to be removed ?

And how do you remove it when you only pay it 1/20th of the time ?

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Most people wanted gut punches gone. But who the hell asked for pushing to be removed ?

And how do you remove it when you only pay it 1/20th of the time ?

pushing shouldnt be a free. its a joke
when was pushing/ bumping ever a free?

get this administration out of the afl before they * it up anymore

 

[Towelboy]

The Richmond v Collingwood game showed how umpires can win a game for a side. The AFL couldn't have Collingwood zip from 2 coming into the West Coast game and the umpires made sure we the got the points. Thanks gents.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

The AFL are now manufacturing results and they are using the umpires to do it.

What happened during the last 15 minutes of the Hawthorn/Western Bulldogs game was quite literally criminal.

The Dogs deserved to win (they should have been 5 goals up at HT) but wouldn't have done so had they not benefited from considerable interference from the cheats who were allegedly umpiring the game.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The AFL [Auskick Football League] are to blame not the umpires. The umpires are trying to enforce the rules they put in which are against the total fabric of the game.

 

[Angus Young]

The umpire that payed the free kick against Sicily is a joke.

What a muppet.

 

[BG32]

I think the umpiring has been better since last year. Maybe because i dgaf about the results i dunno. Hawks fans can complain about the sis free kick but the game was over at that point anyway.

 

[4THAWN]

Think it's been established this week was one of the worst umpired in history.

 

[manureid]

After seeing the reeming Sydney got on friday night and then the Dogs legup yesterday i am thinking that only 2 groups of supporters would be happy with this weeks efforts.