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Are they?

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    Votes: 54 49.5%

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  • They will until this group has officially been broken, Hardwick aint Coach and Gale isn't CEO

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NaturalDisaster said:
tbf, the umps have a tough job and are probably just as confused about the rules as we are:
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they do have a tough job but if they are as confused about the rules as us we are in deep, deep do-doos.
 
Grrr said:
The state of Kerala in India is communist, democratically elected Marxist governments, and one of the most progressive in India. 100% literacy rate etc. Just sticking up for communism because I've nothing better to do in my lunch break.
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There is communism and communism. Soviet Russia or China vs an Indian state embedded in a capitalist democratic system.

Just like there are many variants of capitalism or democracy. I like stating broad facts with minimal empirical backing - I should be a journo. Although I hold myself to too high a bar - some empirical evidence.
 

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fumbler said:
So your saying they like telling everyone that it's for everyone, only when it suits them?

Sounds more like Obama Care.
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Umm, not sue what you mean.

Authoritarian regimes like to tell you their oppression is for your own good. And any criticism is so wrong that it is evil and so are you. The AFL fits right in.

Obamacare is a public health care system like all other advanced countries except the US, until they introduced Obamacare. It's sort of a watered down version of Medicare
 
Waca Jr said:

AFL threatens to suspend players, officials and coaches for umpire abuse

For those who criticise or approach umpires.
www.sen.com.au www.sen.com.au

LOL. So basically this fits the anti Richmond narrative. Just sit there get shafted and cop it. fu** off
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The fact the AFL comes out and makes threats about talking about umpiring shows they have lost all respect . Lethleen (st Kilda’s CEO ) and Benny aren’t dills . I strongly doubt Ratten and Dimma’s comments would have been made if clubs hadn’t already tried to discuss issues behind closed doors and been dismissed.
Making such a public statement is a poor reflection on the AFL
 
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Dr Tigris said:
There is communism and communism. Soviet Russia or China vs an Indian state embedded in a capitalist democratic system.

Just like there are many variants of capitalism or democracy. I like stating broad facts with minimal empirical backing - I should be a journo. Although I hold myself to too high a bar - some empirical evidence.
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I don't know where you are getting your information from, but I watched this documentary recently.


 
Unbelievable reading that article.Total dictatorship think there immune to criticism yet we had decisions cost games this year not included our one against Port the out of bounce.Any sporting code umpiring and organisation can be questioned aslong it's in the right manner there not accountable pathetic want to silence people.
 
NaturalDisaster said:
tbf, the umps have a tough job and are probably just as confused about the rules as we are:
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Confusion regarding the rules works both ways, they only work one way
 
Anyone blaming the rules for confusion has no idea...

because it's not the new rules or rule changes they get wrong, it's the rules that have been a constant for years.

And even if interpretations or changes come into it, they bring it upon themselves. Let me give you the blatant example of why umpires shit in their own bed...


Player is tackled, umpire isn't going to ping HTB, counts to 3 then blows the whistle for a ball up...

VS

Player is tackled, umpire is going to pay HTB, counts to 3, spreads legs and lowers stance, counts to 5, over exaggerates calls, calls HTB...


For any TACKLE where HTB needs to be adjudicated on... it should be as simple as...

Player tackled, count to 3, blow whiste, call either Ball up or HTB... same actions in the decision making process irrelevant of the outcome.
 
Hank Heavenly said:
Anyone blaming the rules for confusion has no idea...

because it's not the new rules or rule changes they get wrong, it's the rules that have been a constant for years.

And even if interpretations or changes come into it, they bring it upon themselves. Let me give you the blatant example of why umpires sh*t in their own bed...


Player is tackled, umpire isn't going to ping HTB, counts to 3 then blows the whistle for a ball up...

VS

Player is tackled, umpire is going to pay HTB, counts to 3, spreads legs and lowers stance, counts to 5, over exaggerates calls, calls HTB...


For any TACKLE where HTB needs to be adjudicated on... it should be as simple as...

Player tackled, count to 3, blow whiste, call either Ball up or HTB... same actions in the decision making process irrelevant of the outcome.
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Exactly, way to much leeway given. That tackle that nearly cost Holman weeks was by most considered a perfect tackle. Since when are you allowed to chase someone at full tilt and drive them into the ground, not reportable, but in the back every single day of the week.... for about all the history of the Aussie rules until about a few years ago, you had to turn them, but he landed fair and square in his lower back. Broad broke Toby Greene's shoulder by landing fair square on top of him, play on.

There is a reason in the back is there, to protect the bloke with the ball from getting hammered. Now the tackler can get away with whatever as long as you don't concuss them. HTB s you say is the same, pay it when you see it so the ball player doesn't have to get rammed into the dirt before he is rewarded.

I swear as tough as footy was back in the day, players never got driven into the turf because a free was always paid for either holding the ball or holding the man, which is never given now, before someone got pile driven.
 
Grrr said:
I don't know where you are getting your information from, but I watched this documentary recently.


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What a brilliant skit. SO awesome.
 

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Grrr said:
Exactly, way to much leeway given. That tackle that nearly cost Holman weeks was by most considered a perfect tackle. Since when are you allowed to chase someone at full tilt and drive them into the ground, not reportable, but in the back every single day of the week.... for about all the history of the Aussie rules until about a few years ago, you had to turn them, but he landed fair and square in his lower back. Broad broke Toby Greene's shoulder by landing fair square on top of him, play on.

There is a reason in the back is there, to protect the bloke with the ball from getting hammered. Now the tackler can get away with whatever as long as you don't concuss them. HTB s you say is the same, pay it when you see it so the ball player doesn't have to get rammed into the dirt before he is rewarded.

I swear as tough as footy was back in the day, players never got driven into the turf because a free was always paid for either holding the ball or holding the man, which is never given now, before someone got pile driven.
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OK, I'm on my soap box now.

In the back is almost extinct, and should be paid a lot more than it is. And tackles that drive you forward cause injury.

When someone is tackled, even Dusty, and their knees touch the ground it's a free. Not, go to the ground get up and handball. One 360 is enough, then you're gone. It's f'n straightforward. It's fairly easy to adjudicate. Giving players extra time is so stupid. It causes more congestion, confusion and frustration. It means that the umps go from a fairly clear line to a fuzzy zones ore decisions. This started way back with Judd where he was strong enough to stand in teh tackle adn get the ball out. So umps started to delay their call on him because he was unusual. Then it spread like a virus and now the clear and clean lines of what was a free have become totally unclear.

Just go back to what the rules are there for. So what if Dusty, Fyfe, Danger, Petracca, Bont get more frees against them. Their influence diminishes but the game becomes better to watch.
 
how ****en funny is it the AFL talking about clamping down on criticising umps right after Dimmer says it. they haven't given much of a shit about it over the journey including several times this year but Tigs aren't allowed to do it

wonder what they will think up next. no doubt we come up with something on the field this weekend which umps are told to clamp down on next week
 
biaseddustyfan said:
how fu**en funny is it the AFL talking about clamping down on criticising umps right after Dimmer says it. they haven't given much of a sh*t about it over the journey including several times this year but Tigs aren't allowed to do it

wonder what they will think up next. no doubt we come up with something on the field this weekend which umps are told to clamp down on next week
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The clamp down is undeniable proof that there is something rotten in Denmark with the umpiring.
 
I have thought watching most Richmond games this year that the umpires have had a betting plunge on the Tigers not making the eight.
So far they are looking a good chance to collect. If they continue their terribly one sided adjudication of our games.
Tigers players in an Umpires eyes do not have heads!
Other teams- players heads start at their chest.
So over AFL amateur umpires and pathetic interpretations of the rules.
You can only dispose of the ball by kicking or handballing. Not that hard really ffs.


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biaseddustyfan said:
how fu**en funny is it the AFL talking about clamping down on criticising umps right after Dimmer says it. they haven't given much of a sh*t about it over the journey including several times this year but Tigs aren't allowed to do it

wonder what they will think up next. no doubt we come up with something on the field this weekend which umps are told to clamp down on next week
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yep as soon as it comes from RFC that’s if , Clarkson , Beveridge, etc have all slime about umps decisions and nothing was sajd
 
"The Roar Is Back" said:
The fact the AFL comes out and makes threats about talking about umpiring shows they have lost all respect . Lethleen (st Kilda’s CEO ) and Benny aren’t dills . I strongly doubt Ratten and Dimma’s comments would have been made if clubs hadn’t already tried to discuss issues behind closed doors and been dismissed.
Making such a public statement is a poor reflection on the AFL
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The AFL are Teflon coated, the quicker everyone understands this the better. Decisions they make rightly or wrongly will be justified to the hilt, ultimately they will decide what they believe to be in the best interests of the game.

It would provide some comfort however for supporters of the game that they at least acted like the club's have some small modicum of input into the decision making process rather than the tyranny they appear to be at the minute especially when the Tigers seem to be involved.
 

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