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Are they?

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    Votes: 54 49.5%
  • No

    Votes: 17 15.6%
  • They will until this group has officially been broken, Hardwick aint Coach and Gale isn't CEO

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The stand rule has effectively marked the point where this is now an entirely different sport. It's like what union is to league but no one asked for it or wants to watch it.
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Serious question, who has had more frees this year? Richmond or Max King [emoji848]
 

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Not sure where the survey is, they'll probably manipulate it to say what they want



Fans AFL ran a survey, and they asked on twitter why fans didn't go Thursday night. As you'll see from the video, scheduling is the primary reason they're telling the AFL.
 
Umpiring decisions are having more of an impact on games because of the stand rule. Prior to the stand rule there was a less of an advantage in getting a free kick because the defending player on the mark was the most effective defender being able to prevent a number of attacking options. Now we have a statue that cant do anything. It translates into a territory advantage as the attacking player effectively gets a free pass to waltz past the player on the mark. Some interesting stats would be score involvements from free kicks, and metres gained after a free kick. Compared to the pre-stand era both would be up. I think it's why it is so frustrating when they get it wrong. Because when they get it wrong it has a bigger impact on the game. Doesn't help us knowing who brought the rule in and why.
There's no ambiguity at all about who introduced the "Stand" rule and why he did it. It was published in a column by Scott Gullen that Steve Hocking was watching Richmond's pressure on the mark in the 2020 finals series and felt it stifled the possessor's options to get the ball forward to a teammate.
 



Fans AFL ran a survey, and they asked on twitter why fans didn't go Thursday night. As you'll see from the video, scheduling is the primary reason they're telling the AFL.

What I figured, they only asked the nuffies in the fans association rather than a wider sample
 
I count top 17 players to make 240 frees, we've had 238. They've had 288 for the season so far

Carlton's top 6 free kick recipients, Cripps, Mckay, Cerra, Curnow, Kennedy and Hewett, have received 120 free kicks, just over 50% of what our entire 2022 playing list of 36 players has received. Those same 6 highly disciplined and often infringed Blues players have given away only 72 free kicks, 24% or what our entire playing list has given away. 😱

As you rightly point out, their top 17 recipients(20 other players have played for Carlton this season) total 239 free kicks for. 1 more than our entire list. Those same 17 highly disciplined and often infringed players total 182 free kicks against. Roughly 60% of what our entire list has given away.

19 highly undisciplined animal Richmond players have given away more free kicks than the 37 eyelash fluttering Blues to have played this season.

The top 6 Richmond free kick recipients this season total 85 free kicks received versus Blues 120. Where the Blues top 6 recipients have coughed up only 72 free kicks our top 6 umpire favourite have given away 104 free kicks.

So Tiger top 6….85 for and 104 against. Blues top 6, 120 for and 72 against. -19 differential versus +48 differential.

Shai Bolton, who I read somewhere does nothing but play for free kicks….6 free kicks for and 23 free kicks against and he has our worst differential. Tough to give a free kick to a guy you can’t lay a finger on i suppose….but 23 against, fmd.

Richmond worst free kick differentials 2022:

Bolton -17
Nankervis -15
Tarrant -9
Lynch -8
Pickett -7
Martin -7

On the other side of the ledger, our best:

Balta +7
Prestia +7
Graham +4
Vlastuin +4
Gibcus +4

Blues best….

Curnow +13
McKay +11
Kennedy +9
Hewett +6
Docherty +6
Saad +6

Blues worst...

Newman -9
Badboy Walsh -6 completely undisciplined
Boyd -4
Setterfield -4

Carlton have 8 players with a differential of +5 or better, Richmond have 2.

Richmond have 7 players with a differential of -5 or worse. Carlton have 2.


Finally….

Richmond worst 2 differentials is Bolton and Nankervis, totalling -32 free kicks. Carlton best two differentials is Curnow and McKay, totalling +24 free kicks.

The difference between the worst 2 Tigers and best 2 Blues is 56 free kicks.

Carlton worst 2 differentials Newman and Walsh total -15 free kicks. Richmonds best 2, Balta and Prestia, total +14.

The difference between the worst 2 Blues and best 2 Tigers is 29 free kicks.
 

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I used to watch every game not just ours, now I may watch the last quarter of most, the game is just not fun to watch anymore because of the rule changes and the way it looks like the umpires are manipulating/ruining it, the AFL will ignore this elephant in the room till the day it dies.
 
I used to watch every game not just ours, now I may watch the last quarter of most, the game is just not fun to watch anymore because of the rule changes and the way it looks like the umpires are manipulating/ruining it, the AFL will ignore this elephant in the room till the day it dies.
I don’t watch any of the others unless I’m channel surfing, last night I watched episode 1 of the young ones on fox
 
The stand rule has effectively marked the point where this is now an entirely different sport. It's like what union is to league but no one asked for it or wants to watch it.

It's not just the Stand Rule, it's what it does in conjunction with the Protected Zone - which is now too large in my opinion:
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We are starting to see a lot more attacking team players enter the protected zone - whether to try and draw a 50m penalty by getting more than 2m separation, or even become an alt side shepherd of block to the team mate. This is being explored and exploited still further.
  • If a player from the attacking team is within the zone, the umpire will blow time off until he leaves the zone; if a player from the defending team is within the zone, a 50-metre penalty is applied, unless he is following an opponent within 2 metres.
The degree to which the man-on-the-mark's movement is being stopped renders the player there a waste - the umpire may as well put a witch's hat there momentarily. In effect the game is in a constant transition for from 17 against 18, to 18 against 18. In the brief phase it is 17 against 18, the team with 18 have the added advantage of having the ball and a protected zone in which it can do pretty much anything it likes.

And oh the irony when your lord and master changes:

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Credit where it is due I’m loving the current holding the ball interpretations. I am understanding it clearly this year and holding the ball is back. Don’t mind 666 too. Just ditch stand rule and don’t be too pedantic with the whistle and I’m happy enough.
 
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Richmond worst free kick differentials 2022:

Bolton -17
Nankervis -15
Tarrant -9
Lynch -8
Pickett -7
Martin -7

I feel like comparing Robbie Tarrant's differential at North Melbourne last 10 games last year vs this would be great insight.

Did the change of guernsey suddenly alter the way umpires adjudicated against him?
 

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How many frees for Carlton this week. As let’s face it sure thing of the round, umpires and Carlton in bed together.
Media and Voss keep going on about their aggressive game style that's on the edge. Well we play on the edge apparently but the free kick differential tells a different story.
 
I feel like comparing Robbie Tarrant's differential at North Melbourne last 10 games last year vs this would be great insight.

Did the change of guernsey suddenly alter the way umpires adjudicated against him?

Good question. I actually had a look at that last night. Tarrant had a pretty strongly negative free kick differential at North, but nothing compared to his negative differential in an admittedly small sample size at our club.

Tarrant at North in 174 games: 139 free kicks for, and 189 free kicks against. Ratio of frees against 1.36 per 1 free kick for.

Tarrant at Tigerland in 9 games: 5 free kicks for, and 14 free kicks against. Ratio of 2.8 free kicks against per 1 free kick for.


If it stays anywhere near that ratio it is a massive change.
 
How many frees for Carlton this week. As let’s face it sure thing of the round, umpires and Carlton in bed together.
and now they want to bring in the carlscum supporter josh frydenburg to replace gill
 

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