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JamFrank said:
This is probably true on current form, but only due to issues with consistency. With the exception of maybe Tabs and Sheridan (who are the two most unproven), anyone of these players, on their day, can have a massive impact on the outcome of a game.
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Yeah agree with that. It was tough to come up with our bottom 6 when perhaps in years gone by it was a little easier. Obviously it changes as the incumbents come in who have played minimal games.

As Ross says, its a opinion based business.

Anyone want to expand on who they think our bottom 6 currently playing are in our 22?
 
I think basically anyone who gets subbed for non-injury reasons. So I don't think that includes Sutcliffe. He's played every minute of every game this year.

The concept of a "bottom 6" isn't really that meaningful though. Someone like Taberner or Clarke might be in a vacuum, but realistically they are less likely to miss a game than any of the utility players because they are pretty far ahead of any of the other contenders for their spot. Whereas for the mid/utility players, there are probably 3-4 guys playing for Peel this week who could step into their spot tomorrow and the strength of the team wouldn't change very much.
 

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ydraw said:
I think basically anyone who gets subbed for non-injury reasons. So I don't think that includes Sutcliffe. He's played every minute of every game this year.

The concept of a "bottom 6" isn't really that meaningful though. Someone like Taberner or Clarke might be in a vacuum, but realistically they are less likely to miss a game than any of the utility players because they are pretty far ahead of any of the other contenders for their spot. Whereas for the mid/utility players, there are probably 3-4 guys playing for Peel this week who could step into their spot tomorrow and the strength of the team wouldn't change very much.
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More just talking from a general footy point of view rather than tactics and roles...
 
Roger/Spurr and Black/Suban would be handy in this side. J Longmuir/Clarke, Modra/Taberner and Farmer/Sutcliffe (not same role) would be certainties. I am a huge fan of Bell and Haze, but they are tough to find the best balance with Neale and Barlow the like for likes but of similar quality.
 
Freo88 said:
If your looking at the good sides, i think to analyse the bottom 6 of each side is a good start. Of course its debatable but i see our bottom 6 atm in no particular order as follows:

Suban
Tabs
Duffield
Sheridan
Sutcliffe
Clarke

The last player to chuck in there was a bit tough to come up with. Maybe a Danyle Pearce instead of Clarke.
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Pearce is in career best form, I would say even Ballas is having a worse year to this point than DP.

Clarke>Spurr

Spurry is being very well camouflaged this year. Sutcliffe on last year's form would be very stiff to make that list, this year he too is in pretty rough form and has been beaten badly at times for mine.

Good assessment overall though.

Our small backs are where we are most vulnerable and this seems to be our Achilles heel IMO.
 
TheInjuryFactory said:
Pearce is in career best form, I would say even Ballas is having a worse year to this point than DP.

Clarke>Spurr

Spurry is being very well camouflaged this year. Sutcliffe on last year's form would be very stiff to make that list, this year he too is in pretty rough form and has been beaten badly at times for mine.

Good assessment overall though.

Our small backs are where we are most vulnerable and this seems to be our Achilles heel IMO.
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I disagree. I think Spurr has been pretty solid given the role he plays. It isn't an easy one yet pushes himself. He goes in for eveything which Sutcliffe, Duffield just lack consistently. Clarke still has moments where he is stone cold, like really contribute nothing other then rucking most games. Up forward he cannot compete and isn't great under pressure. D. Pearce is quietly chopping it up, actually pretty consistent compared to other mids. His kicking is getting more and more dangerous.
 
TheInjuryFactory said:
Pearce is in career best form, I would say even Ballas is having a worse year to this point than DP.

Clarke>Spurr

Spurry is being very well camouflaged this year. Sutcliffe on last year's form would be very stiff to make that list, this year he too is in pretty rough form and has been beaten badly at times for mine.

Good assessment overall though.

Our small backs are where we are most vulnerable and this seems to be our Achilles heel IMO.
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Spurr has just beaten the two best small forwards in the game in consecutive weeks and is having a bloody good year in general. Even neutrals on the main board have him in AA consideration, Spurry is going ok. Duff and Sutty our two "worst" backline performers this year.
 
Spurr's disposal has been poor as has his decision making at crucial times, costing us D50 rebounds. He puts himself in the hole, not saying I don't appreciate the bloke, just saying he's flying under the radar form-wise because he's not getting caught out one on one too often. Just my opinion. I certainly wouldn't say he's been excellent, but again, you're welcome to your opinion.
 
riteo said:
Spurr has just beaten the two best small forwards in the game in consecutive weeks and is having a bloody good year in general. Even neutrals on the main board have him in AA consideration, Spurry is going ok. Duff and Sutty our two "worst" backline performers this year.
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Agree with that, but I think Spurr is an offender at crucial times too. Didn't think Spurr spent much time on Betts tonight to be fair to the others, which is his role and I think we are purposely avoiding Spurry getting isolated, with Sutty and Duff paying the price as it's not really their strong suit. Thomas also made Spurr look stupid last week early on, and Spurry was shitting his pants. Was lucky we choked them to death and Thomas didn't get a chance one out on Spurry much after that point.
 
theGav56 said:
Roger/Spurr and Black/Suban would be handy in this side. J Longmuir/Clarke, Modra/Taberner and Farmer/Sutcliffe (not same role) would be certainties. I am a huge fan of Bell and Haze, but they are tough to find the best balance with Neale and Barlow the like for likes but of similar quality.
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Bell for Ballantyne maybe?
 

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Are you serious? Spurr gave Thomas an absolute bath last week. Was one of our best players and was named as such in the Freo match report. I'm not sure what you expect. Literally pulling his pants down in front of the Fremantle cheer squad? Because that is pretty much the only thing Spurr could have done last week that he didn't already do.
 
Deadly serious. He was the one who had his pants pulled down in front of the cheer squad mate, that's my end so saw it up close. Can't remember which quarter it was (first half though) but he ran around Spurr on the boundary and made him look like a witches hat. Again, not hating on the bloke, just adding him to the vulnerable pile. Thomas got it a fair bit down the other end too but he was doing his usual fling the head back only last week the umps were onto him, could have cost us a couple more if not for the scrutiny the previous week. Spurry is very vulnerable against the very clever small forwards, blind freddy can see that. Lee is hard as a cat's head but he ain't overly athletic nor very quick.
 
Again, you realise he was named as one of our best players last week after keeping one of the best small forwards in the comp to 4 disposals for an entire game?
 
beetz said:
Having no injuries is the calm before the storm.
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Or having no injuries is the gameplan before the finals.

How often we ease off this season is unheard of as a body of evidence. Gives us less stress related running passages, less desperate running, less exposure to lethargic marking attempts that could land awkward, ankles, knees.

I think this is all entirely a plan to converse and stave off injuries the season through.
 
sleiwos said:
It is interesting to look back at all the past players and speculate which ones would get a game in our side at present. I cant think of many:

Paul Haselby for Nick Suban
Justin Longmuir for Matt Taberner
Roger Hayden for Paul Duffield

Can't think of too many more. Bell would add nothing that Lachie Neale does'nt provide. ditto with Farmer in relation to Walters/Ballantyne.

The less said about Parker and McManus the better. Perhaps Ben Allan? Would you have Clive instead of Mayne?
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Would play Parker ahead of Duff, Sutcliffe, Clancee & Spurr down back. The guy did it all, made a handful of blues but probably our most underrated player ever.

Not everything about the old Freo was bad!

Modra - Taberner
Longmuir - Clarke
Hayden - Duff
Parker - Sutcliffe
Haze - Suban
Bell - Neale
Kickett - Clancee

Farmer, O'Reilly, Clive all in the mix too.
 

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TheInjuryFactory said:
Deadly serious. He was the one who had his pants pulled down in front of the cheer squad mate, that's my end so saw it up close. Can't remember which quarter it was (first half though) but he ran around Spurr on the boundary and made him look like a witches hat. Again, not hating on the bloke, just adding him to the vulnerable pile. Thomas got it a fair bit down the other end too but he was doing his usual fling the head back only last week the umps were onto him, could have cost us a couple more if not for the scrutiny the previous week. Spurry is very vulnerable against the very clever small forwards, blind freddy can see that. Lee is hard as a cat's head but he ain't overly athletic nor very quick.
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He went out of bounds! Spurr is the least of our worries this year, seems the better we go the more crazy ppl come out wanting to see changes made for the sake of it.

Duff & Sutcliffe I could imagine their names being thrown up at match committee but I could see only 1 change if any. Tabs would be under the pump if we had any other competition too but we don't so he gets a game as structurally he is important but I couldn't see him getting a game in too many other decent teams.
 
clivenator26 said:
He went out of bounds! Spurr is the least of our worries this year, seems the better we go the more crazy ppl come out wanting to see changes made for the sake of it.

Duff & Sutcliffe I could imagine their names being thrown up at match committee but I could see only 1 change if any. Tabs would be under the pump if we had any other competition too but we don't so he gets a game as structurally he is important but I couldn't see him getting a game in too many other decent teams.
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Thanks pal. How about you go back and read my posts?!?!

Never called for any changes, just gave my opinion that Spurr would be in our bottom 6 players at the moment.

If there is an observation to be made at the moment, it's that nobody is reading anybody else's full posts, just going for the out of context, attention grabbing quote that suits their own inflammatory argument.

I gave my opinion on our bottom 6, now all of Lee's family members have got it in for me? :rolleyes:
 
TheInjuryFactory said:
Thanks pal. How about you go back and read my posts?!?!

Never called for any changes, just gave my opinion that Spurr would be in our bottom 6 players at the moment.

If there is an observation to be made at the moment, its that nobody is reading anybody else's full posts, just going for the out of context attention grabbing quote that suits their own inflammatory argument.

I gave my opinion on our bottom 6, now all of Lee's family members have got it in for me? :rolleyes:
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The bolded but was for you, the rest just a general swipe - should have made it a new line, my grammar isn't great!
 
clivenator26 said:
The bolded but was for you, the rest just a general swipe - should have made it a new line, my grammar isn't great!
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Yeah probably should have.

Second bloke I've had come for my jugular for daring to throw up Spurr's name in our back 6. Wasn't looking for praise, but FFS you can't have your own opinion on here now? Geez.

Spurr gets exposed by skilled forward pockets, that shouldn't come as a surprise to Freo supporters surely? Sutcliffe and Duff are in far worse form, but Spurr IMHO fits into our bottom 6, we have a team defence that ensures anybody vulnerable one on one gets well protected by others, Ibbo playing spare man ensures we have this insurance at the moment.

It gives Spurr the back up he sometimes requires to keep his direct opponent quiet. I have already listed my points for why I feel he is in our bottom 6 so not going to repeat myself. As far as I'm concerned, he is yet to recapture his 2013 form.

You are welcome to your own opinions, that's mine.
 
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Port Adelaide won every game of the 1912 SAFL minor round with a percentage of 205.2%...then lost to West Adelaide in the Grand Final.

I think you will comfortably win 13 in a row and that will allow you guys to cruise to the finals managing players. It might be so much of a cruise that you can just play Peel Thunder for your Round 23 game.
 
clivenator26 said:
Would play Parker ahead of Duff, Sutcliffe, Clancee & Spurr down back. The guy did it all, made a handful of blues but probably our most underrated player ever.

Not everything about the old Freo was bad!

Modra - Taberner
Longmuir - Clarke
Hayden - Duff
Parker - Sutcliffe
Haze - Suban
Bell - Neale
Kickett - Clancee

Farmer, O'Reilly, Clive all in the mix too.
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Great to see someone on here giving Parker the credit he so richly deserves. His opponents certainly did, but unfortunately some supporters seem to want to remember the very occasional error more than the rare ability of a man that could truly play on all sizes.
 

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