Unemployment Figures Down

[BUBBALOUIS]

Figures for unemployment rate just released shows a drop from 6.8 to 6.7% unemployment, although all this is because of a drop off of people looking for work its still good news, good for Howard too i guess, Victorias unemplyment rate fell from 6.3 to 6.1% the best figure nationally ...... so much for all those doomsayers who said Bracksy would ruin the State.lol

Of Course, the retrenchments at Optus, the closing of Daimaru and the Ansett collapse havent kicked in yet, still better than expected

 

[TigerTank]

Bracks won't ruin the state because he isn't even running it! The man is a waste of space do-nothing - a mindless puppet.

John Brumby is running Victoria, and thankfully he is reasonably competent.

 

[Frodo]

That is incredibly good news. Forecast was to be over 7% and with most of thw world in recession including Singapore and Japan it could have been expected.
In all fairness we should every one of us be giving John Howard and his team a pat on the back for this.

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

The drop in unemployment is alomost entirely due to the 1000's of casuals hired by the Bureau of Statistics to coillect census forms.

Sorry to dissappoint youse all - Howard had absolutely nothing to do with it.

cheers

 

[1AD]

Originally posted by Frodo
That is incredibly good news. Forecast was to be over 7% and with most of thw world in recession including Singapore and Japan it could have been expected.
In all fairness we should every one of us be giving John Howard and his team a pat on the back for this.

Inherited 8.2 % unemployment now 6.7% .

all in 5 years wow another 20 years should see the % down to nothing.

1 yes 1 (one) HOUR of work gets your name of the unemployment figure so thank god for part time work.

1 in 4, 19 - 23 year old people out of work.... what a future

As for the pat on the back since when did a Pollie create a job?

 

[RacerX]

I agree 1AD, the definition of unemployed used to calculate these figures is too narrow.

There seems to be a significant movement towards casual employment in Australia. I personally think that this is not a good thing.

Casual employment = low wages, no security and no training by the employer.

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

Just the way bosses like it ...

right Frodo ?

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
Just the way bosses like it ...

right Frodo ?

I should think a drop in unemployment is exactly the way we all want it.

But if you're referring to the old 'Bosses and workers' situation of the 1920's and before then they would prefer high unemployment as the workforce becomes more malleable

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

No, I'm referring to the increasing casualisation of the Australian workforce

Low wages
no sick leave
no long service
no holidays
no awards
no contracts
no standard hours
hire and fire as you please
no OHS
no benefits
no picnic day
no nothing

maximum flexibility - but for the workers - sweet FA and thanks for coming but we don't have any work for you today ....

that sounds like the kind of scenario a Union bashing arch conservative such as yourself would relish

cheers

 

[RacerX]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
No, I'm referring to the increasing casualisation of the Australian workforce

Low wages
no sick leave
no long service
no holidays
no awards
no contracts
no standard hours
hire and fire as you please
no OHS
no benefits
no picnic day
no nothing

maximum flexibility - but for the workers - sweet FA and thanks for coming but we don't have any work for you today ....

that sounds like the kind of scenario a Union bashing arch conservative such as yourself would relish

cheers

And what are the chances of this being mentioned in the upcoming federal election. Bugger all I'd imagine.

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

I don't really expect it to be RacerX

Its not a 'hot' issue but more of a long term 'sleeper'

This trend has being going on in Australia for the last 20 years or so - governments of both parties eem to be unwilling or unable to do anything about it.

cheerrs

 

[Danni]

It is worth remembering that the 'unemployment' figure is not a figure saying how many ppl are actually unemployed - it is a figure showing how many ppl are looking for work that are registered as 'unemployed'.

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
No, I'm referring to the increasing casualisation of the Australian workforce

Low wages
no sick leave
no long service
no holidays
no awards
no contracts
no standard hours
hire and fire as you please
no OHS
no benefits
no picnic day
no nothing

maximum flexibility - but for the workers - sweet FA and thanks for coming but we don't have any work for you today ....

that sounds like the kind of scenario a Union bashing arch conservative such as yourself would relish

cheers

This is my standpoint on those issues

Low wages...Australia has well above average wages in the world
no sick leave.....Casual wages are uplifted 20% to cover for this
no long service....this should be scrapped. No other industrialised country has it.
no holidays........again ...covered by 20% uplift
no awards.....casual pay is covered by awards
no contracts.....contract or award in most cases
no standard hours......it wouldn't be casual otherwise
hire and fire as you please.....demand related
no OHS.......what is that?
no benefits.....having a job and pay is a benefit.
no picnic day...too right.
no nothing...which meams 'something'

What we are talking about is payment for services rendered, not charity. If a company needs staff then it hires them. If there is no work for the company it makes no margin and cannot afford to pay for workers standing around doing nothing ( or an Ansett occurs).

Four factors effect the increase of casual working.

1) Many prefer it. My wife works four days a week and loves having the extra day off. I desire to cut down to 3 days by time I'm 55

2) Automation and computerisation means companies can often need people for shorter times. eg a small business who used to have a full time book keeper may now only need that person part time because of software making it a less time consuming requirement.

3) Women with children at school are wanting casual positions more and more so they can drop the kids off at school, go to work and collect them again

4) All of the reasons you gave above. I have employed/ am employing casual people that expressly ask to have the higher wage rather than all the add-ons that make employing people administratively expensive. So one lady works three days a week for $17,200 a year instead of $14,000 plus holdays, sick, long service, etc. She even wanted me to pay her superannuation as salary and not into a fund but that is illegal. It is her choice and that of a lot of others to forego benefits for extra cash. To me it makes sense that people can have a choice. Unions are all about 'no choice'

Yes there are bad employers around but many of us a very caring and treat employees as team members. They are in fact our biggest assett so why wouldn't we care? The old workers/bosses syndrome is only alive by virtue of the unions who would not exist in their current form without extolling such conflict. In reality many workplaces are very happy with mutual consideration and all working together for the common good.

 

[BomberBoy]

I think one of the major problems is the ABS's definition of unemployed, or employed.

If you work an hour in a week, you are conisdered employed.

15 hours in a family business is considered employed.

 

[BomberBoy]

Originally posted by Danni
It is worth remembering that the 'unemployment' figure is not a figure saying how many ppl are actually unemployed - it is a figure showing how many ppl are looking for work that are registered as 'unemployed'.

True, if the hidden unemployed were included we'd probably have a figure of over 15%

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by BomberBoy


True, if the hidden unemployed were included we'd probably have a figure of over 15%

And Beazley would still be advocating policies that stop projects going ahead and costs jobs

 

[1AD]

Originally posted by Frodo
That is incredibly good news. Forecast was to be over 7% and with most of thw world in recession including Singapore and Japan it could have been expected.
In all fairness we should every one of us be giving John Howard and his team a pat on the back for this.

Unemployment up over 7%. In all fairness what should we be doing now.

And to think that Labor aren't even in yet

LIBERAL thought on all economic factors

BAD: World "anything" caused it

GOOD: We did it!!!!!!

Please delete World "anything " if Labor in power

 

[Portia]

Well, 6 months ago I was registered unemployed, now I'm in full-time work.

I really don't know how much the government had to do with that.