Unique Crows Record

[subaru]

But it infringed upon the tradition of the guernsey itself by placing superfluous stripes over the hoops - at least Collingwood weren't infringed by being able to reshape the black so their vertical stripes were overlapped - I'm sure if they were Eddie would've gone ballistic.

Guernsey supplier dollars and design foibles shouldn't overrule base tradition. Surely someone at the club should've stepped in and said, "no, this looks shit and compromises the entire guernsey. f#ck it off, seriously"?

Mate ...you can't be serious ! Nothing traditional about that fashion disaster.And yuo crack on about stripes covering two inches of hoops!

Port have now opted fo rmen's pyjamas!

 

[PowerForGood]

Both years we were the best defensive side and had the best % in the AFL - they didn't just land in our lap. Then again, when have you ever won 4 finals in a row and get a home final against a team that finished 2nd H&A to win the GF or played on the road for 5 weeks in a row whilst finishing 5th H&A, losing a final and getting another chance to go on to win a GF. Yeh, pretty ordinary side - only side ever to do it in AFL history!

Added some facts for accuracy.

Check out who has 2 of the worst 5 winning percentages for a premiership team in the entire history of the AFL!

http://afl.allthestats.com/records/teamseasrecs.php?ty=2

 

[drcollossimo]

excluding Heritage rounds, and more importantly the latest white monstrosity, there is a difference between the number of guernseys each as worn. There wasn't even a decision as to what 'teal' actually was in the beginning. This is everything that has been worn home and away, and one Crows pre-season only guernsey.

Safe to say ours has stayed a little more consistent in design.

So let me get this right for all your banging on about us not being traditional we've worn only 2 more jumpers than you and 3 of which were worn once! Wow never have i heard such a convincing arguement as that one! seriously tho crows guys i think in honor of your wonderus begninnings in a SANFL board room perhaps the club could at least acknowledge that with a picture of one of these:

Ah nothing like a testament to SANFL in-action to tug at the heart strings....

 

[aneale]

So let me get this right for all your banging on about us not being traditional we've worn only 2 more jumpers than you and 3 of which were worn once! Wow never have i heard such a convincing arguement as that one! seriously tho crows guys i think in honor of your wonderus begninnings in a SANFL board room perhaps the club could at least acknowledge that with a picture of one of these:

Ah nothing like a testament to SANFL in-action to tug at the heart strings....

Well obviously the point is not the amount, but the difference in what you have worn, it's also 4 less, given your hysterical white one isn't shown and I threw in our Pre-season to even it up a little, whilst highlighting what the 'traditional' Port have worn in H&A games. 4 more in 6 less years. bravo

 

[El_Scorcho]

Counting promotional guernseys as seperate home or away guernseys is ridiculous. Heritage guernseys have as much significance, if not more.

 

[aneale]

Counting promotional guernseys as seperate home or away guernseys is ridiculous. Heritage guernseys have as much significance, if not more.

No it isn't, especially given the topic which was responded to was about 'tradition', so unless that means tradition can now be bought by all means.

Well Port have had 4 heritage jumpers, we can put them on if you want. But you can't have it both ways, you can't claim to be a 'traditional' club and then churn out 11 different guernseys that look so different in your 12 years.

 

[Tyler Durden007]

I love it when supporters of shit teams punch on between themselves

 

[aneale]

I love it when supporters of shit teams punch on between themselves

yeah like flog Geelong & Hawks supporters who have all woken up after years and years. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw handbags

 

[aneale]

For TH_14's benefit, all Heritage jumpers now included, all of which are much better than anything else worn, even the Geelong Lite they lost in, in 2005.

 

[tribey]

Mate ...you can't be serious ! Nothing traditional about that fashion disaster.And yuo crack on about stripes covering two inches of hoops!

Port have now opted fo rmen's pyjamas!

I'm not the one sanctimoniously dribbling shit about a 'home guernsey being 'sacrosanct'' when clearly it's not.

Geoffa sure loves to hop on the cross about this sort of stuff though.

 

[Niximus]

It's certainly a decline from 06 is it not?

So it's fair to say that we've been in decline since 06 and Port has been in decline since 04.

 

[kirky]

Added some facts for accuracy.

Check out who has 2 of the worst 5 winning percentages for a premiership team in the entire history of the AFL!

http://afl.allthestats.com/records/teamseasrecs.php?ty=2

Don't have that as an issue but at the end of the day we were the best side in both years and the AFL record books show Premiers - Adelaide (without the caveats) just as the record books at this point in time show GF highest winning margin with both teams named (winner and loser).

 

[El_Scorcho]

For TH_14's benefit, all Heritage jumpers now included, all of which are much better than anything else worn, even the Geelong Lite they lost in, in 2005.

You managed to miss one of the Crows variations when redoing this.

Once again, promotional guernseys mean nothing in an argument like this. They are one offs, used to celebrate or promote something particular, and have no bearing on how "sacrosanct" your home guernsey is.

You putting the same design up twice and claiming a colour change is also rubbish.

We've worn 6 guernseys in the AFL for more than 1 game.

Our home guernsey has had no more than slight manufacturer's changes. The Crows home guernsey has changed far more significantly than ours has over the years.

1 home guernsey, that is it.

If I was asked, i'd say the Crows had had one home guernsey design as well, despite the fact that that isn't really the case. But slight manufacturing changes mean nothing in the scheme of things. The design stays the same.

Who gives a crap about away guernseys or how often they change? I'd like to change them every 2 years at least, so we can sell guernseys, and rotating the clash guernsey keeps the home guernsey as the predominant image of the club. I'd only really have a problem with an away guernsey if we wore the same thing for several years in a row. IMO, it would dampen the image of the home guernsey as the predominant image of the club.

 

[drcollossimo]

Does anyone else think it's funny there are Crows supporters claiming we sold out when in the early years of the Corporation you guys had the words CAMRY CROWS in your club song?

 

[drcollossimo]

I love it when supporters of shit teams punch on between themselves

I Love it when Geelong supporters remember what its like to win a Granny start crapping on about dynasties then promptly lose the next one they play in to guess who Hawthorn...

 

[malph]

What was that abomination worn last year designed by a kid? You started of with 3 guernseys...NAB cup Home and Away..thin lightning bolts, fat lightning bolts , stripey lightning bolts........then the stylised one that looked like a barium meal X-Ray, then the White gay one this year...that's 5 for starters..I'm sure there was some heritage round one that makes 6 and I'm not even trying hard to remember. And don't crack on about the Crows jumpers changing...we have not attempted to brow beat every man and his dog that we are traditional.......My point was that if you were so hot on tradition , you would have done an Eddie and stuck to one design, but the marketing people didn't like that ....so now the maerketing people have come up with this Creed shit. They're doing a ripper job..aren't they?

This has nothing to do with what you really think is "traditional," you're just trying to take "traditional" away from Port Adelaide. Port Adelaide's home jumper is the same as it was in 1997. As mentioned before, Melbourne used to use a lighter shade of blue. Collingwood used to be black stripes on majority white, rather than the reverse they use now. Then there is the Western Bulldogs. I don't see you trying to make the same arguments about those clubs? Are they any more or less "traditional"? You're only putting this effort into denying Port Adelaide's tradition, which goes back to how uncomfortable the 1870 argument obviously makes you feel. 1870 is officially sanctioned by the AFL. It's time for you to deal with it, love.

As for the blue/white argument....you could have done black solid with PAFC on it in white like Carlton and reversed it when you played them for example. There's one idea and I don't even care ...so what were your club doing when this was all happening...the teal thing with a nickname that isn't a "thing" that kids can relate to was garbage from the start.

The AFL would have approved that? Collingwood would have supported that? You're a fool. Black and white, and only black and white, was never going to be sanctioned by the AFL - you know, like '1870' has been.

As for "duking it out " on the Port board ...yeah ...right...the mere mention of anything that does not tow the party line there gets carded straight away. The most precious board on the whole of this site.

Weak. Really, really weak. Only the f***heads get sent away. You're just making excuses because you know that your argument belongs on Bay 13, rather than somewhere a little more civil. You are full of crap.

You harp on about something which was a massive thrill for the kids involved, and was used by the club to promote a youth arts festival. It's not a home guernsey, it's a promotional guernsey. You'll find that sporting clubs all over the world wear promotional guernseys all the time.

Added to that, you'd find a lot of Port supporters telling you that both kids did a better job than the designers of the two clash guernseys. So what's wrong with a kid designing it? Don't come back with bullshit about it being a home jumper either, it's a promotional jumper.

Really, it doesn't matter what the Crows of Bay 13 think. If Port Adelaide didn't do this sort of thing, if they didn't think outside the box, the club would be criticised for not being innovative enough to capture more of the market that the Crows were fortunate enough to appeal to first.

No it isn't, especially given the topic which was responded to was about 'tradition', so unless that means tradition can now be bought by all means.

Well Port have had 4 heritage jumpers, we can put them on if you want. But you can't have it both ways, you can't claim to be a 'traditional' club and then churn out 11 different guernseys that look so different in your 12 years.

Again, this relates to the "est. 1870" that many of you seem to loathe so much. The arguments against that get weaker and weaker by the day, to the point where only one man is making the case 'against' publicly, and getting howled down by all and sundry as a result. Now, it has turned to clash jumpers and how they relate to "tradition," ha ha ha ha ha ha . . .
We can churn out our clash and promotional guernseys,and still be a traditional club, because the colours are not what make the club. You don't make such a point out of the plethora of "traditional" clubs that do the exact same thing, so why bother here? For starters, here is one such club who have made a big habit over a long time of significantly changing their strips - even their home strip.

http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/mufc-kits7.htm

As if you could tell them they have no tradtion.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

Does anyone else think it's funny there are Crows supporters claiming we sold out when in the early years of the Corporation you guys had the words CAMRY CROWS in your club song?

Bahahahahahaha. Yep, real funny

 

[subaru]

malph;13795512]This has nothing to do with what you really think is "traditional," you're just trying to take "traditional" away from Port Adelaide. Port Adelaide's home jumper is the same as it was in 1997. As mentioned before, Melbourne used to use a lighter shade of blue. Collingwood used to be black stripes on majority white, rather than the reverse they use now. Then there is the Western Bulldogs. I don't see you trying to make the same arguments about those clubs? Are they any more or less "traditional"? You're only putting this effort into denying Port Adelaide's tradition, which goes back to how uncomfortable the 1870 argument obviously makes you feel. 1870 is officially sanctioned by the AFL. It's time for you to deal with it, love

.

Is that right, love. I don't give a shit .... as I said in my post.... but it is the constant ..and by that I mean verging on the obsession..the way Port INSISTS that they have tradition from the SANFL yet change their guernseys (which I would have thought is the one, most singular thing that identifies a club) repeatedly. Now if it is a marketing tool, then fine, but admit it, but also admit it is an abject failure and has not done anything to evoke traditional feelings for the jumper as it was in Port Magpies days.I couldn't care less what you lot wear, just don't try and tell me that the guernsey has nothing to do with tradition.

If you had been alllowed your prison bar jumper initially for all games except Collingwood, I know I'm being hypothetical to the extreme, but stay with me on this for a minute...how many "alternative" strips would you have had then? I bet you WOULD have done an Eddie citing tradition as a priority.

The AFL would have approved that? Collingwood would have supported that? You're a fool. Black and white, and only black and white, was never going to be sanctioned by the AFL - you know, like '1870' has been.

When there are three blue/white teams ... you know that? For a fact? What were the designs knocked back? So Port go from two colours to 4.

Weak. Really, really weak. Only the f***heads get sent away. You're just making excuses because you know that your argument belongs on Bay 13, rather than somewhere a little more civil. You are full of crap.

That's bullshit..... went on there one occasion and agreed with a Port suporter who was bagging Williams...and I got carded. Ford Fairlane is the most sanctimonious mod on any of these boards. Some comment about I can't go on their board and take pot shots at the coach!

Really, it doesn't matter what the Crows of Bay 13 think. If Port Adelaide didn't do this sort of thing, if they didn't think outside the box, the club would be criticised for not being innovative enough to capture more of the market that the Crows were fortunate enough to appeal to first.

This is in regard to the kiddie design ...how much of the market did that excercise get you ? How much did it cost the club? So it's better to do it, **** it up, , spend heaps of dollars, then get criticised for it, than to not do it?
...like sponsoring a netball team ...that worked a treat...$1.4 million in the red and less bums on seats.

Again, this relates to the "est. 1870" that many of you seem to loathe so much. The arguments against that get weaker and weaker by the day, to the point where only one man is making the case 'against' publicly, and getting howled down by all and sundry as a result. Now, it has turned to clash jumpers and how they relate to "tradition," ha ha ha ha ha ha . . .
We can churn out our clash and promotional guernseys,and still be a traditional club, because the colours are not what make the club. You don't make such a point out of the plethora of "traditional" clubs that do the exact same thing, so why bother here? For starters, here is one such club who have made a big habit over a long time of significantly changing their strips - even their home strip.

Maybe that's why in your rainbow of colours used, the true identity has been lost. Black, white , silver, teal, acqua, cyan, magenta, blue, yellow, pale blue. Then throw in stripes,lightning bolts, splotches, wiggly lines, fists, wavy lines....

And leave Man U out of this. Do you also want red/yellow cards etc This is not about soccer.
As for the 1870 argument....doesn't, and never will work for me, because of the premiership years quoted for the Power. Claiming someone elses premierships in a different competition is a joke.

Existing to win premierships ...yeah..right..and every other club goes out there for a kick and a catch, do they?

 

[subaru]

Anyway, this thread has been seriously derailed.......where is D_One .. the stats God? and his list of losers?

 

[Geoffa32]

This has nothing to do with what you really think is "traditional," you're just trying to take "traditional" away from Port Adelaide. Port Adelaide's home jumper is the same as it was in 1997. As mentioned before, Melbourne used to use a lighter shade of blue. Collingwood used to be black stripes on majority white, rather than the reverse they use now. Then there is the Western Bulldogs. I don't see you trying to make the same arguments about those clubs? Are they any more or less "traditional"? You're only putting this effort into denying Port Adelaide's tradition, which goes back to how uncomfortable the 1870 argument obviously makes you feel. 1870 is officially sanctioned by the AFL. It's time for you to deal with it, love.



The AFL would have approved that? Collingwood would have supported that? You're a fool. Black and white, and only black and white, was never going to be sanctioned by the AFL - you know, like '1870' has been.



Weak. Really, really weak. Only the f***heads get sent away. You're just making excuses because you know that your argument belongs on Bay 13, rather than somewhere a little more civil. You are full of crap.



Really, it doesn't matter what the Crows of Bay 13 think. If Port Adelaide didn't do this sort of thing, if they didn't think outside the box, the club would be criticised for not being innovative enough to capture more of the market that the Crows were fortunate enough to appeal to first.



Again, this relates to the "est. 1870" that many of you seem to loathe so much. The arguments against that get weaker and weaker by the day, to the point where only one man is making the case 'against' publicly, and getting howled down by all and sundry as a result. Now, it has turned to clash jumpers and how they relate to "tradition," ha ha ha ha ha ha . . .
We can churn out our clash and promotional guernseys,and still be a traditional club, because the colours are not what make the club. You don't make such a point out of the plethora of "traditional" clubs that do the exact same thing, so why bother here? For starters, here is one such club who have made a big habit over a long time of significantly changing their strips - even their home strip.

http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/mufc-kits7.htm

As if you could tell them they have no tradtion.

Not one of them was designed by a kid. Unlike Port who twice have allowed the home jumper to be used as a competiton prize. Some here have pointed at slight variations on jumpers being a problem. They are not my issue. Both clubs have had the same design since AFL inclusion. But its a bit hypcritical for a club to bleat on about being traditional then have a kiddies competition to design one off jumpers in the hope of getting a few extra people to a game.

We had 100+ posts in this thread using "Camry Crows", well its on par with that. Stay away from those stones if you live in a glasshouse.


Clash jumpers have no tradition and can be any design. I reckon they should all be white/yello/fluro Couldnt care less about them.

 

[aneale]

You managed to miss one of the Crows variations when redoing this.

You putting the same design up twice and claiming a colour change is also rubbish.

Yes, as I said i put the Crows 96 pre-season one in to even it out, but I din't include Port's 'wrong coloured' pre-season either.

You'd think someone at Port may have said, no, that's not our colours. If, as some would say the AFC should have dictated to Adidas about how they made their guernseys so we didn't have to put up with navy strips down the side of the guernesy, I reckon someone at Port could have mentioned to Nike that they got the colour wrong.

 

[aneale]

This has nothing to do with what you really think is "traditional," you're just trying to take "traditional" away from Port Adelaide. Port Adelaide's home jumper is the same as it was in 1997. As mentioned before, Melbourne used to use a lighter shade of blue. Collingwood used to be black stripes on majority white, rather than the reverse they use now. Then there is the Western Bulldogs. I don't see you trying to make the same arguments about those clubs? Are they any more or less "traditional"? You're only putting this effort into denying Port Adelaide's tradition, which goes back to how uncomfortable the 1870 argument obviously makes you feel. 1870 is officially sanctioned by the AFL. It's time for you to deal with it, love.

Like the AFL are picky about 'sanctioning' anything - they barely look at it. All examples of what the AFL have 'sanctioned' that were howled down by a great number of people including a great deal of Port supporters.

yet another display of the AFL's diligent santioning policy

 

[malph]

Is that right, love. I don't give a shit .... as I said in my post.... but it is the constant ..and by that I mean verging on the obsession..the way Port INSISTS that they have tradition from the SANFL yet change their guernseys (which I would have thought is the one, most singular thing that identifies a club) repeatedly. Now if it is a marketing tool, then fine, but admit it, but also admit it is an abject failure and has not done anything to evoke traditional feelings for the jumper as it was in Port Magpies days.I couldn't care less what you lot wear, just don't try and tell me that the guernsey has nothing to do with tradition.

You would have thought wrong. How many times must we reference the 32 years?
But again, do you consider Melbourne's guernsey traditional? Or Collingwood's? If a minute change to the colour all of a sudden represents a tearing at the fabric of a club's identity, what does it say about others who have done the same? You haven't said diddly about them.

The home guernsey hasn't changed but for a different shade of blue. Since you won't harp on about the Melbourne Football Club in the same way, why does that take tradition away from Port Adelaide? The one-offs were indeed promotions for young fans. Since when haven't any of us admitted that? The club is trying to be proactive, and would get criticised for not engaging supporters if it did nothing.

In any case, Port Adelaide doesn't just "INSIST" on its heritage. It has been confirmed by the SANFL and the AFL.

If you had been alllowed your prison bar jumper initially for all games except Collingwood, I know I'm being hypothetical to the extreme, but stay with me on this for a minute...how many "alternative" strips would you have had then? I bet you WOULD have done an Eddie citing tradition as a priority.

Well, obviously there would be at least two from the outset. A home and a clash. Then there would be a new clash guernsey designed every two years as per AFL rules. Then there would be the heritage guernseys worn to represent the many colours the Port Adelaide Football Club has worn since its 1870 birth.

But, that's just hypothetical. The club was forced to add at least one other colour. So, a pointless debate this is.

When there are three blue/white teams ... you know that? For a fact? What were the designs knocked back? So Port go from two colours to 4.

If royal blue = navy blue, why are people making the distinction between two shades of teal?

That's bullshit..... went on there one occasion and agreed with a Port suporter who was bagging Williams...and I got carded. Ford Fairlane is the most sanctimonious mod on any of these boards. Some comment about I can't go on their board and take pot shots at the coach!

I was going to go over and add to the "elite players" thread on the Crows board, by joining in with some of the Crows fans who are bagging the direction of the club. But then, I realised that it would be a dumb way of going about it.

How about you follow the lead of the few Crowsies who at least attempt a reasonable discussion there, and don't get carded? You are a fool who is capable of stirring shit, and only of stirring shit. You can't argue reasonably, which is why you get carded, while others are allowed to prosper.

This is in regard to the kiddie design ...how much of the market did that excercise get you ? How much did it cost the club? So it's better to do it, **** it up, , spend heaps of dollars, then get criticised for it, than to not do it?
...like sponsoring a netball team ...that worked a treat...$1.4 million in the red and less bums on seats.

I think the team performance had more to do with the bums on seats and thus the operating loss than the kiddie designs.
It wasn't to make money, it was to engage the younger members. Better than allowing manufacturers to f*** with our jumper.

And leave Man U out of this. Do you also want red/yellow cards etc This is not about soccer.
As for the 1870 argument....doesn't, and never will work for me, because of the premiership years quoted for the Power. Claiming someone elses premierships in a different competition is a joke.

Why should I leave that out - because it's not convenient for you? Wise on your part to discount that, because then we can go through the different strips of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool et cetera. Then we can take a trip across the Atlantic, and see how blue "Big Blue" has always been. Or, what kind of green has Gang Green been through its post-Titans history? Speaking of which, is that the same team?

Is "tradition" the sole domain of Australian Rules Football? Okay, let's get back to Melbourne or Collingwood or the Bulldogs. For something even hairier for you, how about North Melbourne/Kangaroos/North Melbourne?

What you are saying is that you can't get your head around the fact that a club can be old, can play in two different competitions, and can win flags in each of those two different competitions.

Existing to win premierships ...yeah..right..and every other club goes out there for a kick and a catch, do they?

Ah, now we're back to the original topic. Some teams are just out there to see how well they go after 22 rounds, and forget about what they're supposed to do for the next month.

 

[Sekaj]

Ah, now we're back to the original topic. Some teams are just out there to see how well they go after 22 rounds, and forget about what they're supposed to do for the next month.

The irony is that most of this teams still have more premierships than the Power.

 

[Geoffa32]

In fairness I have only recieved a yellow card at the Port board. Considering the topic/tone of my post it was a pretty minor infringement and in hidsight could of copped worse.