Unique Crows Record

[xamol]

I am going to be so sad when D gets to #1



Truly

 

[D_One]

This thread has a lot of double counting.

Still its good to see a Power supporter off the streets and not getting into trouble.

Every 8 year period I quote is unique. However if a club made the finals for seven consecutive years with a pair of non finals appearances as bookends that does constitute two sets of seven or more finals appearances in an eight year period. But if that club missed out on a Grand Final in that seven year period then that would also count as two eight year appearances without a Grand Final appearance and then the Crows last eight years wouldn’t be as humiliating and embarrassing as it actually is.

For example Carlton made the finals from 1927 to 1933 but missed out in 1926 and 1934. Therefore this counts as two periods. However they got to 1932 Grand Final saving them immense embarrassment.

So here’s to the 1932 Carlton team. Cheer cheer.

Carlton (1927 to 1934) 7 Finals Series, 1 Grand Final and 0 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

66 to go.

 

[D_One]

Huh, 35??? AFL Premiers = Once

He is correct (and so are you). The PAFC (est 1870) has 35 senior premierships. This consists of 34 SANFL premierships and 1 AFL premiership. Just like Carlton has 18 senior premierships which consists of 2 VFA, 15 VFL and 1 AFL. Three of those VFL premierships were won between 1980 and 1987.

Carlton (1980 to 1987) 8 Finals Series, 4 Grand Finals and 3 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

65 to go.

 

[D_One]

1) What your describing here is exactly what D-one is referring to, you won those flags over 10 years ago so well done for that but when do you think it will be time to move on? the greater Adelaide metro area can't go for more than a week or two without someone bringing it up MOVE ON PLEASE! If you can?

2) We actually made a GF with our opportunity in 07 which is much more than you could achieve in four years since 05, sure luck played it's part but can u sit there hand on heart and really say luck hasn't played a part in ANY GF appearence? Geelong for all their dominance in 07 were lucky to squeak past Collingwood in the prelim....

3) We've played each other once in a final and as I've stated before how many Minor Premier's would start slapping each other on the ass for beating the team which just made 8th spot as your ONLY finals victory of that year?! You played us in that final against a team who had been playing finals footy for 5 straight years and were tired and jaded, so well done! Considering how long the glow of victory after 97 and 98 has lasted i fully expect to be hearing about that win for the next 70 years...

There are some very valid points made here by DrCollossimo. Crows supporters gloating about 97 and 98 is similar to Collingwood supporters at the end of the 1977 season gloating about the 1958 premiership. But at least Collingwood supporters back then weren’t only keen to talk up 1958 as they were still regularly competing in Grand Finals.

Collingwood (1970 to 1977) 7 Finals Series, 2 Grand Finals and 0 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

64 to go.

 

[D_One]

It is not as good as the Power's unique record...

What unique record is that?? As Port have many unique records. We are the only AFL club to have won more than 30 senior premierships. We have the most Champions of Australia titles. In fact Port Adelaide went undefeated in the SANFL in 1914 and then went on to beat Carlton in the Champions of Australia tournament. This is a unique record when you consider how strong the Carlton team was at the time.

Carlton (1907 to 1914) 7 Finals Series, 5 Grand Finals and 3 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

63 to go.

 

[D_One]

yes it is, giving a shout out of support to d1

edit - just started my fantasy team, team name - kick_it_to_tippett (not sure how successful my season will be and am looking to head to the gold coast at the end of the year)

but I guess most of you already knew that

Maybe you should call your team kick_it_to_coventry, it may be more successful. After all Gordon Coventry kicked 1299 goals for Collingwood between 1920 and 1937. This includes this golden period.

Collingwood (1925 to 1932) 8 Finals Series, 6 Grand Finals and 4 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

62 to go.

 

[D_One]

1) Carltons last flag was in 1995, yes they have gone through hard times but are you trying to say they are not a successful cliub?
2) Big deal you made a Grand Final, you didnt win it and that is all that counts. Unless you create a record along the way,119.
3) When you refer to our finals record it is only fair you discuss the final we played. Tired and jaded?! Ive now heard it all. I can imagine when your players were mouthing off all week and when they were getting ready in the changeroom they must have all been thinking "gees I feel tired and jaded, lets capitulate in the second half".

Now no Crows suppporter would be happy we havent won a flag in 10 years. But I would put money on it that we wouldnt be content with just making a GF. And until you win your second flag, and that might not be for another 50 years, its best you dont have a go at a club that has achieved more than you, no matter how long ago it was.

Does that mean that you will never have a go at Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood, Melbourne, Hawthorn, Richmond, Fitzroy, Geelong, North Melbourne, Sydney/Sth Melb, West Coast and Brisbane Lions? Wow, fancy getting on you high horse and putting yourself in a position where you cant mock Richmond. The Crows last eight years have been laughable but the last 28 years for Richmond are even worse. But at least they have had a few good eight year periods before that.

Richmond (1930 to 1937) 7 Finals Series, 4 Grand Finals and 2 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

61 to go.

 

[D_One]

Oh, c’mon. Where would Essendon be without SA.

Without SA you would never have had this victory.

1993 Preliminary Final
Essendon       4-5     6- 6     12- 8    17- 9    111
Adelaide       7-4    12-12     13-14    14-16    100

Besides if it wasn’t for South Australia, Essendon would never have had the services of Jack Cockburn. Jack Cockburn was a South Adelaide legend who was based in Melbourne during WWII. Whilst there he played for Essendon in the 1944 Grand Final and contributed to the following:

Essendon (1940 to 1947) 7 Finals Series, 5 Grand Finals and 2 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

60 to go.

 

[D_One]

We can only dream...

And where would Geelong be without SA. Who was on the 1951 WEG poster. That’s right Bernie Smith.

Recruited from West Adelaide, Bernie forged a great career with Geelong. Bernie Smith is remembered as one of the greatest back pockets in the history of the game. Moved to the back pocket by coach Reg Hickey in 1951 he went on to win both the club best and fairest award and the Brownlow Medal that same season, while for good measure he was among the Cats' best in their grand final defeat of Essendon.

Smith was ideally suited to a back pocket because he was pacy, had good ground skills, marked well, was always cool under pressure, and had superb judgement. Opposition coaches came to view him as Geelong's first line of attack, and in what was a virtually unprecedented move for the times he was often subjected to what would now be called tagging.

Bernie Smith played 55 games with West Adelaide winning a best and fairest award in that club's premiership year of 1947. He won 2 best and fairest trophies during 183 games with Geelong, played in 2 premiership sides, and was club captain for part of 1950 and the whole of 1954.

Geelong (1950 to 1957) 7 Finals Series, 3 Grand Finals and 2 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

59 to go.

 

[D_One]

Now THAT is well done

When you hear the words “Well Done” you think of steak. When you think of steak, you think of butchers.
Carlton in their early days were known as the Butchers.

Carlton (1902 to 1909) 7 Finals Series, 5 Grand Finals and 3 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

58 to go.

 

[Geoffa32]

Is there going to be a drum roll for number one. I am eagerly anticipating who gets number one.

 

[D_One]

Carlton are a successful club but the point i am trying to make was that just becuase they won a flag in '95 doesn't mean that what happened next was anything short of an embarassment. Just like winning in 97 and 98 doesn't cover for the fact your team has lost big finals games it should have won and wasn't good enough to make a GF. A home prelim after a week off and the Eagles over ran you, i mean 119 is really, really bad but that effort is not much better.

Records don't mean much, do you think anyone plays port and thinks whoa they lost by 119 points 2 years ago this is going to be easy! The only people who give a stuff are Crows fans like you with nothing else more constructive to say. Constant bleeting of 119 from Crows fans is made all the more wearing by the fact Geelong fans whose team ACTUALLY made the record aren't anywhere near as obnoxious..

Are you seriously that naive to think that 5 years of final appearances doesn't wear a team/club down? i mean even the lions and bombers before them found it hard to constantly perform at such a standard consistently over 4-5 years... Taking the tired/jaded statement out (which you can't but for the sake of argument) you still only beat the team who finished the minor round in 8th and you were 1st, with a club record number of wins at the time blah blah blah...

Is winning a premiership the only marker of success? Because if that's the case the Crows are actually one of the least successful clubs in the AFL... Oh and i think you'll find it DOES matter how long ago it was I wonder if Cartlon fans rub it in Swans supporters noses that in 1907 they beat South Melbourne for the flag? Do you know anyone who watched that game or even cares?!

That’s right and you don’t find Fitzroy fans gloating about 1898 and 1899 back to back premierships, do you? Nor do Fitzroy fans make fun of Carltons 73 point Grand Finals loss in 1949. Although there’s probably a few Fitzroy fans laughing at the humiliation and embarrassment of the Crow’s finals campaigns in the last eight seasons.

Fitzroy (1899 to 1906) 8 Finals Series, 6 Grand Finals and 3 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

57 to go.

Half way there.

 

[icrow32]

Is there going to be a drum roll for number one. I am eagerly anticipating who gets number one.

Its taking a very long time, D one has 3 posts to every other posters 1 at the moment. People stopped caring about this thread 3 days ago. It won't stop D one and his obsession though.

 

[PowerKat]

Its taking a very long time, D one has 3 posts to every other posters 1 at the moment. People stopped caring about this thread 3 days ago. It won't stop D one and his obsession though.

Obviously other posters are quite interested or they wouldn't be posting at all in this thread. You care enough to look up that stat.

I'm finding it very entertaining

 

[D_One]

I am sure that Port have lost some finals which they were expected to win - let see - 2001 semifinal and 2002 and 2003 qualifying finals. I think we have an own goal. 1-0 By the way, I'm pretty sure that only Crows fans and obviously Port fans will ever remember that game but to lose a GF by a record VFL/AFL margin is a record that will take some beating and everyone remembers it. You compare a PF to a GF - amazing mindset!

Given records don't mean much (your own words) then who gives a continental about our recent finals records but you see a GF loss of the highest order does count coz it will be forever etched in the record books for a long time - looks like another own goal. 2-0 By the way, how are those sessions with your shrink going?

Well, given the Crows have made finals 7 of the past 8 sessions must also make them jaded by your reasoning. Thats a copout and you know it. I bet the 2001 playing group was significantly different to the 2005 playing group. Own goal no 3. 3-0.

If are we one of the least successful clubs in the AFL and we have averaged a premiership once every 9 years, what does that make Port, given one premiership every 12 years? Oops another own goal. 4-0 - thats nearly as many goals as you scored in the "dream final".

However Port has won 34 SANFL flags in 114 seasons and 1 AFL flag in 12 seasons. That’s 35 flags in 126 seasons. Or one flag every 3.6 years.

Our AFL career has started slowly but so did Hawthorn’s VFL career. They didn’t play in a final in their first 32 seasons. In fact at the end of 1970 Hawthorn were averaging 1 premiership every 46 seasons. They are now averaging 1 premiership every 8.5 years. Between 1986 and 1993 they averaged 1 premiership every 2 years.

Hawthorn (1986 to 1993) 8 Finals Series, 5 Grand Finals and 4 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

56 to go.

 

[D_One]

It sure does.

Central District 6.1 11.5 18.11 23.15 (153)
Woodville-West Torrens 2.2 3.3 4.3 4.4 (28).

Or does being a WWT supporter momentarily not count when you're gloating about record GF losses?

Oh, I remember that game. That was the one where Nathan Bock and Robert Shirley put in outstanding contributions for Woodville-West Torrens. And you wonder why the Camry Crows have so much trouble making a Grand Final with these two in their team.

If the Collingwood team from 1966 to 1973 had Bock and Shirley in their team they probably wouldn’t have competed in any Grand Finals either. Fortunately for Collingwood they didn’t have Bock and Shirley in their team.

Collingwood (1966 to 1973) 7 Finals Series, 2 Grand Finals and 0 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

That’s the last of the teams that have played in seven or more finals series in an eight year period and not won a flag. They are all premiers from here on.

55 to go.

 

[D_One]

Realistically it's all about finals entered, and then end results.

97/98 we can conclude were definitely Bradburys. First off in 97, getting thumped by Melbourne, then fluking the flag. Now days in a fairer finals setup, the Crows would have been arseholed after getting thrashed.

98....coming across the best team in the comp, and finding them on a very bad day, yea good luck to you, Wayne Carey never missed so many shots like that in his career.........stinks of Bradbury

Then you had your real chances. Home Prelims in 05-06. Best team in the comp in both occasions. Blew your chances right out of the water, as a mediocre team do

Where'as Port have played in one home prelim, for a flag......and played in another GF, where the opposition was streets ahead of any other team. Port took the spanking for the rest of the league.

Adelaide Camwy Cows = Mediocrity

Quite correct. And the Camry Crows supporters seem very content with their mediocrity.

Collingwood’s first ten years in the VFL were very good but many considered their team from 1906 to 1913 to be mediocre. Despite this they still managed to compete in two Grand Finals and win one premiership. Now that the Crows have set a new standard in mediocrity we can all look back at this Collingwood team and wonder why they were ever considered mediocre at all.

Collingwood (1906 to 1913) 7 Finals Series, 2 Grand Finals and 1 Flag
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

54 to go.

 

[drcollossimo]

If are we one of the least successful clubs in the AFL and we have averaged a premiership once every 9 years, what does that make Port, given one premiership every 12 years? Oops another own goal. 4-0 - thats nearly as many goals as you scored in the "dream final".

*Sigh*

Kirky you are at least able to log onto bigfooty so i assume that reading is not beyond your means. Please read what i have said in the context of this thread, have a think, maybe a cup of tea, a bit of a lay down then try again...

I never said premierships were the only measure of success Elite Crow did, what i was doing was pointing out that by using flags as the only measure of success he had effectively labelled his own team as one of the least successfull in the league...

Yes Port did lose some finals they should have won BUT WE ENDED THAT RUN OF LOST FINALS WITH A PREMIERSHIP! The Crows have successfuly managed to go backwards after losing their finals so far. Which is why D-one rasied this thread.....

 

[PortAdelaide]

face it crows fans, port adelaide are the best. 35>2, u cant hide from tht stat

 

[D_One]

Who was gloating? I certainly know what it is like to be on the receiving end and it is that what drove the club to challenge again for the 2005GF (yes they ultimately lost) and then to get off the canvas once more amnd ultimately take the prize from the same club in 2006. But what did your club do in 2008, capitulate thats what. Gave up, 13 games in - what a creed!

So how does this differ from the Crows who won the minor premiership in 05 and then were embarrassed by St Kilda and West Coast in the finals. I guess those losses drove the Camry Crows to challenge again and get another top two finish the next year (yes they ultimately failed) and then to get off the canvas once more and ultimately make the Grand Final in 2007. Oh sorry that’s right, they meekly surrendered again in 07 and 08.

The Collingwood team of 1908 came fourth (just like the 2005 Crows team) they then finished third in 1909 (just like the 2006 Crows team) but did the Collingwood team of 1910 put in another limp effort (just like the 2007 Crows team)? No, the 1910 Collingwood team came out and won the premiership. Maybe the 19th man slogan will help in 2009!

Collingwood (1903 to 1910) 8 Finals Series, 3 Grand Finals and 2 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

53 to go.

 

[D_One]

Hello, how many Preliminary Finals have you won away from home?

1998 and 1998 - in both year they were the best defensive side in the league and had the best % in the league.

1997 - first team ever to win 4 finals in a row to win the flag.

1998 - played 5 games in a row (probably a record methinks) on the road to win the flag.

Yep, both flukes.

PS : Don't forget your shrink.

This thread is not about Bradbury premierships. It is about teams that have competed in seven or more finals series in an eight year period. Let’s look at the 8 year periods that the Crows have had

Camry Crows (1991 to 1998): 3 Finals Series
Camry Crows (1992 to 1999): 3 Finals Series
Camry Crows (1993 to 2000): 3 Finals Series
Camry Crows (1994 to 2001): 3 Finals Series
Camry Crows (1995 to 2002): 4 Finals Series
Camry Crows (1996 to 2003): 5 Finals Series
Camry Crows (1997 to 2004): 5 Finals Series
Camry Crows (1998 to 2005): 5 Finals Series
Camry Crows (1999 to 2006): 5 Finals Series
Camry Crows (2000 to 2007): 6 Finals Series
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008): 7 Finals Series

There is only one eight year period where the Camry Crows have competed in seven or more finals series and that is 2001 to 2008 and as far as I can see there are no premierships and no grand finals in that period.

If you want to talk about a team that won back to back premierships and competed in seven or more finals series in an eight year period we can talk about the Carlton premierships of 1914 and 1915.

Carlton (1912 to 1919) 7 Finals Series, 3 Grand Finals and 2 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

52 to go.

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

face it crows fans, port adelaide are the best. 35>2, u cant hide from tht stat

Sorry mate, this is the AFL 2>1.

 

[PortAdelaide]

Sorry mate, this is the AFL 2>1.

sorry mate, we are the oldest and most successful club in South Australia. cows forever living in our shadow.

 

[D_One]

Does not convince me one iota

97/98 will forever be remembered as the Bradbury Premierships.

Speaking of Bradbury. There was a player called Peter Bradbury who played 49 games for Essendon between 1983 and 1986 and 23 games for Collingwood in 1986 and 1987. He played in a final against Carlton in 1987 but that was while they were setting this record.

Carlton (1982 to 1989) 7 Finals Series, 3 Grand Finals and 2 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

51 to go.

 

[D_One]

2>1

Sucks doesnt it

It’s good to see your maths is up to scratch. I assume you also know that 3 > 2. And three is the number of premierships Collingwood won between 1930 and 1937.

Collingwood (1930 to 1937) 7 Finals Series, 4 Grand Finals and 3 Flags
Camry Crows (2001 to 2008) 7 Finals Series, 0 Grand Finals and 0 Flags

50 to go.