Unique Crows Record

[drcollossimo]

The difference between the Crows and the Power is the Crows also managed to win 2 flags from OUTSIDE the top four, whereas the Power would rather call an end to their season halfway through than try to finish 5-8 to give themselves even a remote chance.

Shutup now.

That is true but the finals system has been changed since the crows fell ass up into a couple of flags. It is much harder under this system so the Crows will probably be the last team to do it...

Its true we did call off our season last year but we weren't going to make it, that much was obvious and we aren't the only team in history to have done that. What is much better is playing a clearly hurt player to the point where he can't even brace himself during a bump because his shoulder will pop out all the while getting knocked out week in week out all so your team can capitulate to half a Collingwood team in the first week of the finals becuase thats so much more of an achievement!

 

[drcollossimo]

One of the best comments...........ever on Bay 13.

ROFL yes Bernie because you are the epitome of objective judgment...

 

[ltdamn]

That is true but the finals system has been changed since the crows fell ass up into a couple of flags. It is much harder under this system so the Crows will probably be the last team to do it...

Its true we did call off our season last year but we weren't going to make it, that much was obvious and we aren't the only team in history to have done that.

So the 'Creed' has now been changed to include the line 'If it's too hard, don't try'?

Thank you for the clarification.

Also, beating the minor premiers 2 years running in the grand final is not generally regarded as 'falling ass up' into a flag.

 

[drcollossimo]

So the 'Creed' has now been changed to include the line 'If it's too hard, don't try'?

Thank you for the clarification.

Also, beating the minor premiers 2 years running in the grand final is not generally regarded as 'falling ass up' into a flag.

Yes, yes that is exactly it, at least Mark (in this case) was honest in where Port stood at that time. So much better than 'Destination Disease' or repeatedly stating THAT match up (Franklin Vs Massie) was the right one I mean i was actually suprised at how well Crows fans took the 'Destination Disease' line it's not like there was pressure on Craigy or the club to win a final

Oh and your right you were not lucky in those two years at all, ok remind me because i can't remember what year was it you got smashed in the first round by Melbourne I think it was then somehow stayed in the finals? How many goals did North Melbourne miss in 98? And the 97 prelim well that game was decided by 2 points wasn't it? now that's a decisive margin if ever i've seen one! Look you guys won and in the end that's really all that matters, Macca was fantastic, D.Jarman bagged a few goals, God himself cried and suddenly thousand's of SA grandmother's realised there was a sport called Aussie Rules football and signed up as memebers but in the end the ball bounced your way there is no doubt about it...

 

[Ron]

Gee the Crows are lucky the Dees are playing this season, they are the only club capable of keeping the Crows off the bottom. Never have i seen a more unimpressive group of youngsters.

 

[aneale]

Gee the Crows are lucky the Dees are playing this season, they are the only club capable of keeping the Crows off the bottom. Never have i seen a more unimpressive group of youngsters.

This from the club who still craps on about Rusling, never mind he can't play - been a one trick pony since he was 8 and everyone bar Collingwood knew it

 

[ltdamn]

Yes, yes that is exactly it, at least Mark (in this case) was honest in where Port stood at that time. So much better than 'Destination Disease' or repeatedly stating THAT match up (Franklin Vs Massie) was the right one I mean i was actually suprised at how well Crows fans took the 'Destination Disease' line it's not like there was pressure on Craigy or the club to win a final

Oh and your right you were not lucky in those two years at all, ok remind me because i can't remember what year was it you got smashed in the first round by Melbourne I think it was then somehow stayed in the finals? How many goals did North Melbourne miss in 98? And the 97 prelim well that game was decided by 2 points wasn't it? now that's a decisive margin if ever i've seen one! Look you guys won and in the end that's really all that matters, Macca was fantastic, D.Jarman bagged a few goals, God himself cried and suddenly thousand's of SA grandmother's realised there was a sport called Aussie Rules football and signed up as memebers but in the end the ball bounced your way there is no doubt about it...

Can you remind me how many finals Port had to play outside of SA in the year that they won the flag?

Can you also remind me how many preliminary finals Port have won outside of SA?

And would you then maybe like to re-think your position on these so-called 'lucky' flags?

And besides, the fact remains that even though the finals system has changed, the Crows still try to make the finals each year, regardless of how large or small a chance they've got of winning the flag.

Port, on the other hand, think winning from 5-8 these days is just all too hard and would rather call it quits halfway through the season than risk losing in the finals. Besides, they have all those SANFL tin cups to fall back on that everyone really knows count as much as AFL flags, so who cares?

Port supporters don't seem to mind spouting the old 'you've got to be in it to win it' line when it comes the the 2007 GF, but are happy to back away from that and 'The Creed' in defense of 2008.

I propose that from now on, to make things fairer for our Power brethren, we rename the Power's 2008 AFL season 'The Clayton's Season' - because it's the season you have when you really don't have a season at all.

 

[jimmysmith]

Can you remind me how many finals Port had to play outside of SA in the year that they won the flag?

Can you also remind me how many preliminary finals Port have won outside of SA?

And would you then maybe like to re-think your position on these so-called 'lucky' flags?

And besides, the fact remains that even though the finals system has changed, the Crows still try to make the finals each year, regardless of how large or small a chance they've got of winning the flag.

Port, on the other hand, think winning from 5-8 these days is just all too hard and would rather call it quits halfway through the season than risk losing in the finals. Besides, they have all those SANFL tin cups to fall back on that everyone really knows count as much as AFL flags, so who cares?

Port supporters don't seem to mind spouting the old 'you've got to be in it to win it' line when it comes the the 2007 GF, but are happy to back away from that and 'The Creed' in defense of 2008.

I propose that from now on, to make things fairer for our Power brethren, we rename the Power's 2008 AFL season 'The Clayton's Season' - because it's the season you have when you really don't have a season at all.

The Neil Craig choke has started early this year. ****ING INBRED CROWS

 

[kirky]

Can you remind me how many finals Port had to play outside of SA in the year that they won the flag?

Can you also remind me how many preliminary finals Port have won outside of SA?

And would you then maybe like to re-think your position on these so-called 'lucky' flags?

And besides, the fact remains that even though the finals system has changed, the Crows still try to make the finals each year, regardless of how large or small a chance they've got of winning the flag.

Port, on the other hand, think winning from 5-8 these days is just all too hard and would rather call it quits halfway through the season than risk losing in the finals. Besides, they have all those SANFL tin cups to fall back on that everyone really knows count as much as AFL flags, so who cares?

Port supporters don't seem to mind spouting the old 'you've got to be in it to win it' line when it comes the the 2007 GF, but are happy to back away from that and 'The Creed' in defense of 2008.

I propose that from now on, to make things fairer for our Power brethren, we rename the Power's 2008 AFL season 'The Clayton's Season' - because it's the season you have when you really don't have a season at all.

For gods sake, don't give them stats that show the truth.

By the way, two of Port's greatest sons have coached teams to record defeats in both Preliminary Finals and Grand Finals:-

1984 - John Cahill coached Collingwood to the biggest Preliminary Final loss in VFL/AFL history - 133 points

2007 - Mark Williams coached Port Adelaide to the biggest Grand Final loss in VFL/AFL history - 119 points

Must be something in the water down their to coach teams that capitulate when the going get tough (lets not even go into the 2005 Dream Final).

But no, who was the reigning Premier (so its not a side that came from nowhere the previous year) in 2005 but capitulated in its last game that year?

 

[ltdamn]

The Neil Craig choke has started early this year. ****ING INBRED CROWS

****ING INBRED UNLISTEDS

 

[malph]

Melbourne, who got smashed by Hawthorn by 96 points as recently as 1988. Actually a fairly easy to remember stat.

The difference between the Crows and the Power is the Crows also managed to win 2 flags from OUTSIDE the top four, whereas the Power would rather call an end to their season halfway through than try to finish 5-8 to give themselves even a remote chance.

Shutup now.

LOL, you didn't know that. Nobody knew that. If they did, they didn't care. How many tools had Melbourne = 96 in their signatures before 2007?

In any case, next thing you will be recalling how the Crows won their first flag from eighth place. They did come from the top four.

That is true but the finals system has been changed since the crows fell ass up into a couple of flags. It is much harder under this system so the Crows will probably be the last team to do it...

Its true we did call off our season last year but we weren't going to make it, that much was obvious and we aren't the only team in history to have done that. What is much better is playing a clearly hurt player to the point where he can't even brace himself during a bump because his shoulder will pop out all the while getting knocked out week in week out all so your team can capitulate to half a Collingwood team in the first week of the finals becuase thats so much more of an achievement!

drcollossimo is very wise. 1998 was such a ridiculous turn of events, the AFL changed the system because of it.

Chad, and a host of other Port Adelaide players stand a good chance of having a decent year because they were put in cotton wool before they did irreparable damage. Porpy is perhaps the Crows' best match winner, as well as being an injury waiting to happen. Let us all reflect on his treatment last year as a shining example of how to maintain your stars. He's f***ed for the rest of his career. Congratulations.

Can you remind me how many finals Port had to play outside of SA in the year that they won the flag?

Can you also remind me how many preliminary finals Port have won outside of SA?

And would you then maybe like to re-think your position on these so-called 'lucky' flags?

Well, finishing in the top two gives you the benefit of playing all your finals at home . . . if you win them. How did that go for the Crows in 05/06 again?
I suppose we can offer the reverse side of the coin for examination. How many home preliminary finals has Port Adelaide lost? Yay for selective stats - I can do it too.

You have to feel for Brisbane in 04 though - I guess they should have worked harder for the minor premiership. Then again, if it wasn't an obstacle in 2003, why did it all of a sudden disadvantage a year later, playing one less away final?

Finishing in the top two and winning both home finals is not 'lucky'.

And besides, the fact remains that even though the finals system has changed, the Crows still try to make the finals each year, regardless of how large or small a chance they've got of winning the flag.

Port, on the other hand, think winning from 5-8 these days is just all too hard and would rather call it quits halfway through the season than risk losing in the finals. Besides, they have all those SANFL tin cups to fall back on that everyone really knows count as much as AFL flags, so who cares?

Well, how is that going for the Crows then? Since the finals system was changed, no team has ever won the flag from outside the top four, and only Carlton in 1999 has even made the game - from sixth. Not seventh or eighth, like where Port Adelaide finished in 2005. In fact, the "dream final" was as far as any 8th-placed team has travelled in finals, since elimination finals, especially against interstaters, tend to be won by the higher ranked team. Unless . . .

The time will eventually come when the Crows have to be realistic. Playing for next year, or the next three years, is not akin to giving up, but is the only way up. So far, you have just bought the PR from a machine that cares more about dominating a market than actually winning anything meaningful.

Port supporters don't seem to mind spouting the old 'you've got to be in it to win it' line when it comes the the 2007 GF, but are happy to back away from that and 'The Creed' in defense of 2008.

I propose that from now on, to make things fairer for our Power brethren, we rename the Power's 2008 AFL season 'The Clayton's Season' - because it's the season you have when you really don't have a season at all.

It goes both ways. If we give up the "you have to be in it to win it" with respect to making Grand Finals, would you do the same with respect to just finals? Actually, I wouldn't. Because making Grand Finals actually requires winning finals, usually home finals, and I would rather see my team win finals when they make them, than make them regularly and lose them. Sure, the net result is still zero for that year, but one requires less improvement than the other. 2007 showed that Port Adelaide need to work on one game, not three or four.

For gods sake, don't give them stats that show the truth.

By the way, two of Port's greatest sons have coached teams to record defeats in both Preliminary Finals and Grand Finals:-

1984 - John Cahill coached Collingwood to the biggest Preliminary Final loss in VFL/AFL history - 133 points

2007 - Mark Williams coached Port Adelaide to the biggest Grand Final loss in VFL/AFL history - 119 points

Must be something in the water down their to coach teams that capitulate when the going get tough (lets not even go into the 2005 Dream Final).

But no, who was the reigning Premier (so its not a side that came from nowhere the previous year) in 2005 but capitulated in its last game that year?

Is this some more of that selective reading of history where Brisbane was on the "down" side in 2004, ripe for the picking, but Port Adelaide after a similar time in the top four were still ready and rearing to go the year later? LOL
First versus eighth. The Crows only other finals win under Craig was against Fremantle. You should be proud.

Mark Williams: 3 losses in home finals.

Neil Craig: 3 losses in home finals, in five fewer years at the helm. 2 and 5 overall. Keep talking about finals, because one game against a spent force who scraped into the eight in round 22 is aaaallllllll that matters, is it?

 

[drcollossimo]

LOL, you didn't know that. Nobody knew that. If they did, they didn't care. How many tools had Melbourne = 96 in their signatures before 2007?

In any case, next thing you will be recalling how the Crows won their first flag from eighth place. They did come from the top four.



drcollossimo is very wise. 1998 was such a ridiculous turn of events, the AFL changed the system because of it.

Chad, and a host of other Port Adelaide players stand a good chance of having a decent year because they were put in cotton wool before they did irreparable damage. Porpy is perhaps the Crows' best match winner, as well as being an injury waiting to happen. Let us all reflect on his treatment last year as a shining example of how to maintain your stars. He's f***ed for the rest of his career. Congratulations.



Well, finishing in the top two gives you the benefit of playing all your finals at home . . . if you win them. How did that go for the Crows in 05/06 again?
I suppose we can offer the reverse side of the coin for examination. How many home preliminary finals has Port Adelaide lost? Yay for selective stats - I can do it too.

You have to feel for Brisbane in 04 though - I guess they should have worked harder for the minor premiership. Then again, if it wasn't an obstacle in 2003, why did it all of a sudden disadvantage a year later, playing one less away final?

Finishing in the top two and winning both home finals is not 'lucky'.



Well, how is that going for the Crows then? Since the finals system was changed, no team has ever won the flag from outside the top four, and only Carlton in 1999 has even made the game - from sixth. Not seventh or eighth, like where Port Adelaide finished in 2005. In fact, the "dream final" was as far as any 8th-placed team has travelled in finals, since elimination finals, especially against interstaters, tend to be won by the higher ranked team. Unless . . .

The time will eventually come when the Crows have to be realistic. Playing for next year, or the next three years, is not akin to giving up, but is the only way up. So far, you have just bought the PR from a machine that cares more about dominating a market than actually winning anything meaningful.



It goes both ways. If we give up the "you have to be in it to win it" with respect to making Grand Finals, would you do the same with respect to just finals? Actually, I wouldn't. Because making Grand Finals actually requires winning finals, usually home finals, and I would rather see my team win finals when they make them, than make them regularly and lose them. Sure, the net result is still zero for that year, but one requires less improvement than the other. 2007 showed that Port Adelaide need to work on one game, not three or four.



Is this some more of that selective reading of history where Brisbane was on the "down" side in 2004, ripe for the picking, but Port Adelaide after a similar time in the top four were still ready and rearing to go the year later? LOL
First versus eighth. The Crows only other finals win under Craig was against Fremantle. You should be proud.

Mark Williams: 3 losses in home finals.

Neil Craig: 3 losses in home finals, in five fewer years at the helm. 2 and 5 overall. Keep talking about finals, because one game against a spent force who scraped into the eight in round 22 is aaaallllllll that matters, is it?

ROFL now that is one of the best posts on BF!

Don't worry Crows fans tune into 5aa from 4 today Cornsey will tell you that port was established in 95', everyone associated with the AFC shits gold, a baby dies each time port win a game and Neil Craig is God becuase 'He repects where the Crows came from'. (which btw is pretty much akin to a petulant child asking its parents for more)

 

[Sekaj]

Keep talking about finals, because one game against a spent force who scraped into the eight in round 22 is aaaallllllll that matters, is it?

Uhh, but I thought the Power 'exist to win premierships' and were playing their 'dream final'. Now, all of a sudden you are admitting that your team was nothing more than a rabble of a 'spent force'?

Glad to see you think so lowly of your team's finals ability. Not hard to fathom when your team consistently humiliates themselves in finals.

 

[Sekaj]

The Power showing the Crows how it's done in finals:

 

[malph]

Oh the irony.

Shouldn't the team, who finished 8th, and won their elimination final, have been forced to play St. Kilda in Melbourne? Ha ha ha ha!

You should have left it at the 2007 Grand Final picture, because why post an image that is a monument to the Crows' own very well publicised failures?

 

[drcollossimo]

Uhh, but I thought the Power 'exist to win premierships' and were playing their 'dream final'. Now, all of a sudden you are admitting that your team was nothing more than a rabble of a 'spent force'?

Glad to see you think so lowly of your team's finals ability. Not hard to fathom when your team consistently humiliates themselves in finals.

ROFL maybe the premier's reading challenge is for you and not BF you couldn't have read that post 'consistently humiliates themselves in finals' looked in the mirror lately?!

It might be hard to question St Neil but every team in this comp the way it is currently set up will have to 'bottom out' at some stage just because Criagy says he doesn't believe in it doesn't mean it's not going to happen to you, in fact we are seeing a change in the playing list down there now aren't we?

Oh and the Bomber's of 2000, lions of 2001-2003 etc have all 'bottomed out' as their playing lists changed; 2005 for us marked the beginning of that time, those two clubs were pretty much the measuring stick of the comp at the time so i can be safe in saying your turn is coming if it hasn't started already...

 

[drcollossimo]

The Power showing the Crows how it's done in finals:

Remind me if you can how did it coem about that WE after beating North Melbourne played you guys in teh second week of the finals again? didn't you finish Minor premier and your actually beating your chest about beating the 8th placed team WOW the bar is set low at West Lakes isn't it?!

 

[Sekaj]

Oh the irony.

Shouldn't the team, who finished 8th, and won their elimination final, have been forced to play St. Kilda in Melbourne? Ha ha ha ha!

Well, all you Power failures have been telling everyone since you joined the comp is how you 'exist to win premierships' and how that final was your 'dream final'. Even before your the game all Power supporters were jumping up and down like a bunch of losers as if they already had the game won.

And now after they humiliate themselves in their 'dream final' they now admit what a bunch of losers they really are anyway because they were never going to win the game.

Nice try but it's not going to fly.

You should have left it at the 2007 Grand Final picture, because why post an image that is a monument to the Crows' own very well publicised failures?

You just don't get it, do you? You and your fellow Power failures are in here trying to point out how poor the Crows are in finals. Now if you're going to do that, surely your team would have grabbed that one single opportunity to PROVE how superior your team is in finals.

But no, that didn't happen now, did it? Instead your loser team did the complete opposite. They humiliated themselves (again) to their cross-town rivals and proved to everyone what a loser team they really are (a fact you conceded in your previous post when you admitted that your team is nothing more than a rabble).

Best you just go back to having a cry like anyone and anything with the Power usually end up doing.

 

[Sekaj]

Remind me if you can how did it coem about that WE after beating North Melbourne played you guys in teh second week of the finals again? didn't you finish Minor premier and your actually beating your chest about beating the 8th placed team WOW the bar is set low at West Lakes isn't it?!

Ok. I'll remind you again. Your team humiliated themselves in your 'dream final' even though they kept prattling on and on like bunch of idiots about 'existing to win premierships' and how much better they are at winning finals (including 'dream finals').

If you want me to remind you again what a rabble your loser team is, just let me know. I'll be glad to.

 

[drcollossimo]

Well, all you Power failures have been telling everyone since you joined the comp is how you 'exist to win premierships' and how that final was your 'dream final'. Even before your the game all Power supporters were jumping up and down like a bunch of losers as if they already had the game won.

And now after they humiliate themselves in their 'dream final' they now admit what a bunch of losers they really are anyway because they were never going to win the game.

Nice try but it's not going to fly.



You just don't get it, do you? You and your fellow Power failures are in here trying to point out how poor the Crows are in finals. Now if you're going to do that, surely your team would have grabbed that one single opportunity to PROVE how superior your team is in finals.

But no, that didn't happen now, did it? Instead your loser team did the complete opposite. They humiliated themselves (again) to their cross-town rivals and proved to everyone what a loser team they really are (a fact you conceded in your previous post when you admitted that your team is nothing more than a rabble).

Best you just go back to having a cry like anyone and anything with the Power usually end up doing.

Ummm didn't crows fans ring up after we beat West Coast in 07 talking about how you were gonna get a home prelim, but you couldnt beat the hawks and ended up eliminated?

Port lead the head to head ledger in games played between the two clubs wow you've really humiliated us there?!

 

[drcollossimo]

Ok. I'll remind you again. Your team humiliated themselves in your 'dream final' even though they kept prattling on and on like bunch of idiots about 'existing to win premierships' and how much better they are at winning finals (including 'dream finals').

If you want me to remind you again what a rabble your loser team is, just let me know. I'll be glad to.

Ummm no that's not the question i asked try again, now think i know its hard but it involves losing a home final (for a change) the week before think i know you can do it....

 

[malph]

Ummm didn't crows fans ring up after we beat West Coast in 07 talking about how you were gonna get a home prelim, but you couldnt beat the hawks and ended up eliminated?

Port lead the head to head ledger in games played between the two clubs wow you've really humiliated us there?!

What you should do, drcollossimo, is post a picture of the scoreboard following Port Adelaide's 2003 semi-final win against Essendon, and then proclaim how badly Essendon are our finals bitch. That should see your credibility sky-rocket.

 

[CrowHop]

Gee the Crows are lucky the Dees are playing this season, they are the only club capable of keeping the Crows off the bottom. Never have i seen a more unimpressive group of youngsters.

So no doubt you'd have a few dollars on sportsbet for the crows to finish 15th then ?

Being so certain and all ....

 

[Sekaj]

Ummm didn't crows fans ring up after we beat West Coast in 07 talking about how you were gonna get a home prelim, but you couldnt beat the hawks and ended up eliminated?

Yeah, the Crows humiliated the Power in their 'dream final' despite the fact that the Power and their supporters are constantly talking about how they 'exist to win premierships'.

Port lead the head to head ledger in games played between the two clubs wow you've really humiliated us there?!

WTF? Aren't we talking about finals here? Are you trying to say the Power are better at winning finals just because they have a slight advantage in the regular season win-loss count despite humiliating themselves in the 'dream final'?

It's no wonder Power supporters are considered the stupidest, least intelligent and most moronic supporters in the league when you have dimwit posters like these who actually believe their team 'exist to win premierships' when they humiliate themselves in 'dream finals'.

 

[drcollossimo]

Ok. I'll remind you again. Your team humiliated themselves in your 'dream final' even though they kept prattling on and on like bunch of idiots about 'existing to win premierships' and how much better they are at winning finals (including 'dream finals').

If you want me to remind you again what a rabble your loser team is, just let me know. I'll be glad to.

Oh and i've picked up on the fact you don't like our line "We exist to win premierships" so perhaps you can outline for me what is
Uncompromising Inclusive and Proud about losing home finals every 5 mintues? If that's too hard tell me how you Shared the Pride afterwards then....