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[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by eagleskickass
This year MORE players were taken from WA than SA, and most were not from U/18's, most had played senior football this season.

I am talking about experienced players like Tuckey not 17 year olds who have played WAFL football. I think you will find that all bar one player drafted from WA was from the U18's.

The reason these U18 footballer have played senior football in Perth is because of the poor quality of the league.

Who is the last experienced WAFL footballer to make it in the AFL?

 

[Frodo]

I would doubt the credibility of the report and remind everyone that the Eagles will promote one rookie to the senior list in March. I have no doubt that Tuckey, with his experience, was drafted exactly for that reason and therefore his major ( in a big way) route for playing AFL again is through WCE. Now he may be aiming a ploy at getting a commitment to elevation now, one which the Eagles should refuse, but it makes no sense at all for him to do anything else but get down to training with WCE and show everyone hs worth. I also can not see any point in a Vic player moving over here from the time of the December, rather wait until Christmas and new year is over and get into it when training resumes.

As for the guy who bagged the WAFL............watch it before opening yer gob!

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky


Who is the last experienced WAFL footballer to make it in the AFL?

At 28 I would say Wilson, last year

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Frodo


At 28 I would say Wilson, last year

If you refer back to my first post, i was talking about an experienced WAFL players making it with A SOUTHERN STATES team.

Cheers

 

[Bigger]

A no-name hack called Daniel Chick played for East Fremantle in 1995 - he ended up playing for a mob of geese in a little known suburb of east Fremantle called Hawthorn. Another no-goodnick hailing from East Freo that you may have heard of is a bloke called Woewodin - plays for Melbourne, you know - blond, runs fast, got a Brownlow.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Bigger
A no-name hack called Daniel Chick played for East Fremantle in 1995 - he ended up playing for a mob of geese in a little known suburb of east Fremantle called Hawthorn. Another no-goodnick hailing from East Freo that you may have heard of is a bloke called Woewodin - plays for Melbourne, you know - blond, runs fast, got a Brownlow.

Ah 1995, the WAFL and Western Australian football in general were actually of a good standard way back then.

BTW Daniel Chick was only 19 when he was drafted, i'd hardly call him an experienced WAFL player. Daniel was drafted at the first opportunity, playing WAFL football was his first avenue to the AFL, i'm talking players who go BACK to a league in order to get another opportunity in the AFL.

Players like, Glenn Kilpatrick, he was rejected by two clubs, went to Adelaide, won a Magarey and then came back to the AFL.

Any players like that come out of the WAFL lately (and get picked up by a Southern side)?

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Back to my original point, the SANFL is a much better option than the WAFL for an experienced player looking to impress AFL scouts.

Surely not even the most biased Sandgroper could think that the WAFL comes close ot the standard of the SANFL.

Cheers

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky


Ah 1995, the WAFL and Western Australian football in general were actually of a good standard way back then.

yadda yadda yadda, blah blah blah (lets skip a few lines )

Any players like that come out of the WAFL lately (and get picked up by a Southern side)?

Jaxon Crabb was drafted this year by Port. He was delisted by the eagles, he played in the WAFL, now he's on an AFL list again.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes


Jaxon Crabb was drafted this year by Port. He was delisted by the eagles, he played in the WAFL, now he's on an AFL list again.

You're entirely missing the point, i am talking about where a delisted player should go in order to give him the best chance of returning to the AFL.

Jaxon Crabb was on the Eagles list last year, he wasn't playing in the WAFL by choice as an avenue back to AFL football, he was already in the AFL system

Cheers

 

[TheRealBuzz]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Jaxon Crabb was on the Eagles list last year, he wasn't playing in the WAFL by choice as an avenue back to AFL football, he was already in the AFL system

No he wasn't.
He was de-listed at the end of the 2K season, he then played with Claremont in 2001, and was re-drafted in this years rookie draft by Port.

And not that I totally disagree with you, but who are these players that have been re-drafted from the SANFL?

Brett Biglands is the only one I can think of.

 

[eagleskickass]

One point i think was raised earlier, which you are missing i think phatandphreaky, we will be naming one player who can play this season in the AFL, so, if he comes over here, he has the chance to play AFL, and surely playing AFL gives a better chance of being drafted onto a senior list than the SANFL.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz

And not that I totally disagree with you, but who are these players that have been re-drafted from the SANFL?

Brett Biglands is the only one I can think of.

This is completely off the top of my head, i'm sure there are a stack more examples

* Matthew Primus (rejected by my Cats, went to the SANFL and is now, arguably the premier ruckman in the league)

* Glenn Kilpatrick (rejected by two AFL clubs, went to the SANFL and won a Magarey, returned to the AFL and had played 150 odd games)

* Craig McRae (Rejected by Richmond in 1991, returned to the SANFL and is now a premiership player)

* Andrew McKay (was initially overlooked by AFL clubs, in now a 200 game All-Australian and Premiership player)

* Shane and Darryl Wakelin (one of them (the one at Port) was rejected by a Melbourne club, returned to the SANFL and has built a successful career)

* Brett Burton

* Rhett Biglands.

Not a bad list given that i've done no research.

I'm completely unbiased, it is clear that the SANFL is the second best league in the land followed by the VFL with the WAFL a distant third.

Cheers

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky


I'm completely unbiased, it is clear that the SANFL is the second best league in the land followed by the VFL with the WAFL a distant third.

Cheers

Explain that again

SANFL is the second best league in the land followed by the VFL !!!

So who is number one?

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No winner in this debate. I reckon WAFL is better standard than SANFL. You differ......fair enough.

I agree that you stand more chance of an AFL pick up though....due to DISTANCE. Much easier for a SA player to adapt to one of the 10 Melbourne clubs and much closer for coaches to keep an eye on how they are going.

What this emphasises is the HUGE disadvantage the Eagles and Freo have with DISTANCE in travel and with less opportunities going with it for WAFL players to get an AFL game.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

1: AFL
2: SANFL
3: VFL
4: WAFL

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by eagleskickass
One point i think was raised earlier, which you are missing i think phatandphreaky, we will be naming one player who can play this season in the AFL, so, if he comes over here, he has the chance to play AFL, and surely playing AFL gives a better chance of being drafted onto a senior list than the SANFL.

No i didn't miss it, i'm merely saying that to a lot of Victorian boys think that going to the SANFL is a better option, at least in the SANFL a player like Brent Tuckey would be basically guaranteed a game each week whereas West Coast's rookie list guarantees nothing.

I wouldn't move across the country in the faint hope of playing in the AFL, i would rather spend 12 months in the SANFL knowing full well that i will get 20 games in a recognised league to impress AFL scouts.

What you guys forget is that Brent Tuckey wants to play AFL football in Victoria, he has more chance of doing that by impressing in the SANFL then he does sitting on WC's rookie list.

I don't know what impression you guys have about your own importance but over here we really don't even recognise the two teams over there, they are irrelevent, as is the WAFL, be that right or wrong that's the way it is.

That has to be expected when a) you are so far away and b) both sides are at an all-time low

The fact is that to Victorian players and clubs Adelaide is a far better opportunity than a rookie list spot in Perth.

 

[The Pride Of]

Frodo ,
From the start i`m a South Aussie and therefore will be biased towards my local league.
But to back up my initial thought i will say the salary caps in each states are poles apart($300,000+ in S.A , WA about$150,000 per club) so players are earning agreat deal more in SA.
My club Glenelg has recruits from WA - Marty Mellody , Cam Venables , Phil Mckenzie , Brad Smith , Adam Hay and only lose players to the WAFL(Kretschmer and Tippermantermerri) due to transfer in employment.
Your comment on distance is very valid but weakens your choice of WAFL being better than SANFL due to the fact our league is littered with delisted AFL players playing for the chance to get back into the big show.(plus the money!)
I would love it if we could limit the numbers of imports in our local leagues and let our junior talent rise to the top.(A major reason the SANFL did so poorly in this years draft)
Crowd numbers are also a factor as on average SANFL games get between 2,500 upto 10,000 plus(Norwood v Port) to minor round fixtures. Reading results and crowd guestimation the WAFL are quite down in comparison.This is important as our two beautiful states are similar in football culture.
So Frodo its nice to hear a differing point of view but as i said at the start i`m a little biased

Pride

 

[Voice of Reason]

I don't know what impression you guys have about your own importance but over here we really don't even recognise the two teams over there, they are irrelevent, as is the WAFL, be that right or wrong that's the way it is.

phaty, you just can't help yourself can you?

I'm surprised you put the SANFL above the VFL in terms of State leagues. I've seen VFL and WAFL in the last few years, but only a SANFL game before a Footy Park AFL game, so can't judge from direct observation.

I enjoy watching WAFL footy, but I didn't think the standard was much different (better or worse) from what it was in 1993, which was the last year I watched it regularly before.

It's rare in the elitist world of AFL for a delisted player to get a second chance, so good luck to all those that do, from whatever league they come back through.

 

[Portia]

Mostly because every time we've played the VFL in a state match, SANFL have won.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Frodo

No winner in this debate. I reckon WAFL is better standard than SANFL. You differ......fair enough.

hahaha, thats funny. WAFL is nowhere near the standard of the SANFL....nowhere near. When was the last time the WAFL beat SANFL in a state game?? Mid 80s???

Yeah WA gest lots of young kids drafted to the AFL, but they would probably also have the biggest failure rate in the AFL (the young kids not up to standard). Put the best WAFL team in the SANFL and they would struggle.

 

[TheRealBuzz]

Well the last time we played you in a state match, it was only WA's inaccuracy in front of goal that cost them the match.
Dean Buszan being the main culprit

I couldn't care less if the SANFL is of a better standard than the WAFL quite frankly.
I'm more proud that we had guys like Sampi and Polak taken in the top 10 of what was considered a very strong draft.
In fact we had ten players taken in the draft, compared to your two.

Polak, Sampi, Mott, Armstrong and White all played senior footy in the WAFL last year.

If having these young kids playing WAFL (instead of some old has-been like in the SANFL) lowers the standard - well so be it.

P.S - phatandphreaky, half those guys you listed are just plain wrong.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
Well the last time we played you in a state match, it was only WA's inaccuracy in front of goal that cost them the match.
Dean Buszan being the main culprit

Believe it or not, inaccuracy is a sign of an inferior team.

I couldn't care less if the SANFL is of a better standard than the WAFL quite frankly.
I'm more proud that we had guys like Sampi and Polak taken in the top 10 of what was considered a very strong draft.
In fact we had ten players taken in the draft, compared to your two.

Good for you. Its nice of you to be such national citizens.....now, South Australians like to have a good level of SANFL footy to watch. If South Australia's best players get drafted by other clubs every year, what is the real benefit to the SA footy supporter?

For all of the highly drafted WA players, there really aren't any more of them making names for themselves at the top level than there are SA players...it just means you develop them better as juniors, which raises their relative draft value. Good luck to you.

Polak, Sampi, Mott, Armstrong and White all played senior footy in the WAFL last year.

If having these young kids playing WAFL (instead of some old has-been like in the SANFL) lowers the standard - well so be it.

I believe the SANFL has about three times the salary cap of the WAFL. So your hasbeens aren't anywhere near as good as ours.....and you watch them (or don't, respectively).

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
In fact we had ten players taken in the draft, compared to your two.

and last year SA had 18 picks compared to WAs 9. 7 of the 18 SA kids drafted were picked in the top 20. What does that mean?? Not a whole lot. It doesnt affect the SANFL or WAFL because most of those 18 kids drafted only played a handful of SANFL games.

Polak, Sampi, Mott, Armstrong and White all played senior footy in the WAFL last year.

Trent Sporn, Alan Didak, Daniel Motlop, Corey Jones, Shaun Burgoyne, Kane Cornes and Jordan Mcmahon played senior footy in the SANFL in 2000.

What is your point??


If having these young kids playing WAFL (instead of some old has-been like in the SANFL) lowers the standard - well so be it.


These old has beens highers the standard of footy in SA. The SANFL continues to beat the VFL and WAFL when we play them in state games and its been years since either of those have defeated us.

An example of how the SANFL is better standard than the WAFL. Richard Ambrose spent 5 years at Port Magpies....it took him 3 years to get semi regular games and could never hold down a spot at either Full forward or full back for Port. He won a Sandover medal in his first year in the WAFL. He wouldnt go close to a Magarey Medal.

 

[Frodo]

Tuckey Elevated to List


Which just proves that it's a waste of time listening to Freo Crap

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Frodo
Tuckey Elevated to List

Which just proves that it's a waste of time listening to Freo Crap

Firstly the 'crap' came from one of your own - Sprigg on the radio, so perhaps maybe better off abusing him?

Which reminds me, got the nuts to anwser me on the Indian Pacific collapse, and subsequent buy out with my tax dollars yet, or happy spending your days trolling out old posts from months ago?

Sad little man.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by kuepper
Firstly the 'crap' came from one of your own - Sprigg on the radio, so perhaps maybe better off abusing him?

Which reminds me, got the nuts to anwser me on the Indian Pacific collapse, and subsequent buy out with my tax dollars yet, or happy spending your days trolling out old posts from months ago?

Sad little man.

Trolling ey? An accusation like that sounds a bit funny coming from you