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I was bewildered that Emery changed the center back pairing after their very good performance against Newcastle at St.James' Park in the first game of the season.

Papastathopoulos & Chambers worked well together - Papastathopoulos was the leader and Chambers his 2nd in command and one knew what the other was doing and what their respective jobs were. By changing this pairing the following week against Burnley, Emery changed the whole dynamics at the heart of the defence and Sokratis was effectively demoted to 2IC and he progressively lost his confidence and assuredness 'till he's now become a nervous wreck.

I would like to see a return to the Sokratis/Chambers pairing and then reassess.
 
kreglze said:
I think you give it till December. Outside of Allegri, there isn't anyone of any decent quality available.
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Arteta would have been the prime choice because he is a very knowledgable man, understands the game inside out, has had and still has an enormous input into the success at Manchester City, he is a "teaching" coach he doesn't suffer fools. He also completely understands The Arsenal having been our Captain and for me, he was a far safer choice than somebody who had no experience of the English game.

If people can get hold of the early games that Guardiola had in charge of Manchester City in 2016, you will see him in shock at what he is witnessing. He was completely taken aback at the intensity and sheer brutality of the English Premier League. It's a league like no other league on the face of the earth and reputations and successes gained in other leagues does not necessarily mean that a manager/coach will replicate the same successes in England. That's why I was completely shocked when Arteta was overlooked at the last minute in favour of someone else. I believe that Arteta's single mindedness spooked some of the board, that is, he was not going to tolerate any interference from those in charge upstairs when it came to who he wanted to buy but more importantly, who he was going to get rid of and I also am led to believe, he wanted to nurture the young players and this meant that we may not qualify for Europe straight away.

If I were the board, I would go back to Arteta and tell him that they were wrong not to appoint him and the job is and he has free reign to do what he likes.
 
Northalives said:
Arteta would have been the prime choice because he is a very knowledgable man, understands the game inside out, has had and still has an enormous input into the success at Manchester City, he is a "teaching" coach he doesn't suffer fools. He also completely understands The Arsenal having been our Captain and for me, he was a far safer choice than somebody who had no experience of the English game.

If people can get hold of the early games that Guardiola had in charge of Manchester City in 2016, you will see him in shock at what he is witnessing. He was completely taken aback at the intensity and sheer brutality of the English Premier League. It's a league like no other league on the face of the earth and reputations and successes gained in other leagues does not necessarily mean that a manager/coach will replicate the same successes in England. That's why I was completely shocked when Arteta was overlooked at the last minute in favour of someone else. I believe that Arteta's single mindedness spooked some of the board, that is, he was not going to tolerate any interference from those in charge upstairs when it came to who he wanted to buy but more importantly, who he was going to get rid of and I also am led to believe, he wanted to nurture the young players and this meant that we may not qualify for Europe straight away.

If I were the board, I would go back to Arteta and tell him that they were wrong not to appoint him and the job is and he has free reign to do what he likes.
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Issue being now is... we have this continental set up, where we don't have a 'manager' anymore, we have a 'head coach'. The players we bring in are decided by a panel (where the manager would have input) as opposed to a manager getting to call all the shots. One of the reasons, I believe anyway, Emery would have been picked would be he can work in that role. Would Arteta be able to thrive in a role where he is a cog in a wheel as opposed to the entire wheel itself? Who knows.
 

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kreglze said:
Issue being now is... we have this continental set up, where we don't have a 'manager' anymore, we have a 'head coach'. The players we bring in are decided by a panel (where the manager would have input) as opposed to a manager getting to call all the shots. One of the reasons, I believe anyway, Emery would have been picked would be he can work in that role. Would Arteta be able to thrive in a role where he is a cog in a wheel as opposed to the entire wheel itself? Who knows.
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If that is the way our club is set up, then we will never go anywhere but down.

There is one thing that Wenger said that has stayed with me and will for a long time is that when there was talk of a "Director of Football" be put in place, Wenger said to a journalist and I quote, "Director of Football – I don’t know what it means. Is it somebody who stands on the road and directs players right and left? I don’t understand. I never could understand what it means, Director of Football." and then he went on, "........... I’m manager of Arsenal Football Club and as long as I’m manager of Arsenal Football Club I will decide what happens on the technical front. That’s it.".

No matter what people thought of Wenger, he is absolutely spot on and if The Arsenal has gone down that path, all be it without actually having a "Director of Football" but have the other processes in place, then no wonder Arteta wasn't "suitable" for the job - no proper manager/coach could work under that regime and those that do, are either stupid or stupid.
 
I just caught up on the replay after fortunately being out of the loop for a while. How the * do you let Watford (a team with one point from 4.5 games) have 20-something shots in the second half when 2-0 up?

I've said it many times and I'll say it again- I don't understand what Emery's trying to do and apart from the playing out from the back at all costs thing I'm not convinced the players do either. Early in the 2nd half Xhaka had the ball in acres of space with Auba and Pepe both making forward runs into the box but had a go from miles out instead because he can apparently only pass diagonally, sideways, and backwards. May as well put Luiz in his spot, at least he can actually play the full range of passes.
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It starts with Emery. Its no different to the start of last season when we tried using Cech to play out from the back, he simply wasn't capable much like Sokratis isn't. If you want to play out from the back then pick a side that is capable of pulling it off and in the event players aren't available (which this morning Chambers was available) drum it into the players that if you play it out from the back then use Luiz and have him be the one to start the chain of passes. Don't give it to the guy who the least capable.

Not sure something can be considered horrendous if it doesn't exist. But again it starts with the manager. He picks two players who both want to sit and create play in deeper midfield spots which means their is no one to get forward and draw the attention away from Pepe, Ozil and Auba who are then either forced to pass back or try and beat two or three defenders and create something out of nothing. Which once we lose the ball Xhaka and Guendouzi don't like to press the opposition as it exposes them once their opponents get beyond them but the likes of Auba, Ozil, Pepe and Ceballous are being told to press the opposition who once beaten means their is a heap of space to exploit in the middle of the pitch which forces the back four to either become very narrow and allow the opposition wingman to get crosses in under no pressure or the fullbacks shut down that space but then are often exposed to having to trying to stop their opponent whilst tracking the run of fullback.
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The pressing confuses me. I think we try to press at times and sit back at others, but in reality we fail to do either of those things effectively most of the time. The Europa League final perfectly encapsulates the Emery era. Pressed well for half an hour, couldn't create any real chances, game over. The quality is there up front but we're incapable of controlling games for long periods and transitioning consistently in possession.
 
kreglze said:
I think you give it till December. Outside of Allegri, there isn't anyone of any decent quality available.
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I'd rather roll the dice and experiment with an out of the box option than appoint another Europa League specialist or spend huge $$$ on a boring manager with clout like Allegri or Mourinho (shudder). Pick an interesting German manager and give it a go. Daniel Farke, he's hot right now. *, hire a Wenger impersonator for the rest of the season. Could it possibly be much worse than this mediocrity?
 
Positives of the game are obviously the result and the performance of young Saka.

Negatives giving up 24 shots, keep giving up that amount you’ll rarely ever keep clean sheets as we did tonight.

Emery will stat pad in the Europa League but it’s all meaningless unless we win the competition.
 
Saka is impressive.

The score line flattered us I’d say. Can’t keep conceding all of these shots, there’s a lot of vulnerability about Arsenal at the moment.
 
CALUM CHAMBERS - 4
Didn't concede in half-time but part of Gunners defence that looked susceptible. Seemed a couple of seconds behind the game in the second-half and it was through luck rather than judgement the home side didn't score. Feels like the new Carl Jenkinson. Booked on 83 mins.

EMILE SMITH-ROWE (subbed off, 59 mins) - 6
Looked lively up front but missed one huge chance to put the Gunners ahead before Willock eventually opened scoring. Subbed off on the hour mark which made sense. Done well for a 19-year-old on such a big stage.

BUKAYO SAKA - 9
Outstanding performance for an 18-year-old. Worried Frankfurt's right-back and provided the assist for Willock's opener. Spurned a good opportunity with 15 to go. A delightful left-footed finish wrapped up the win on 85 minutes before his assist to Aubamayang two minutes later was icing on the cake. Should be proud of himself
 

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I think everyone is jumping the gun a little on unai, yes the stats aren't flattering but this is his first real season at arsenal, last season imo is a throwaway.

Just give him time before throwing the baby out with the bathwater, he should have this whole season to work it out, if he doesn't make top 4 fair enough he's done, but if he does it's a different conversation entirely, the signings that have been made seem pretty decent still, give him time.

We need to keep ceballos, that's a no brainer though, we got rid of the majority still a couple of s**t kickers around in xhaka/mustafi but i'm happy to put faith in him that he can work it out and turn things around, I don't think people really understand the state that the club was left in when he took over, changes required like that won't happen overnight.
 
“It helps so much [having him around],” said Saka. “Sometimes when I don’t understand, when the coach is trying to communicate with me, I have a better communication with Freddie sometimes, he speaks better English."
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Willock had a similar comment a few weeks ago. Pretty telling that the manager struggles to communicate with the players. Also read that Emery's English hasn't improved in his pressers either
 
charcoalchicken said:
I think everyone is jumping the gun a little on unai, yes the stats aren't flattering but this is his first real season at arsenal, last season imo is a throwaway.

Just give him time before throwing the baby out with the bathwater, he should have this whole season to work it out, if he doesn't make top 4 fair enough he's done, but if he does it's a different conversation entirely, the signings that have been made seem pretty decent still, give him time.

We need to keep ceballos, that's a no brainer though, we got rid of the majority still a couple of s**t kickers around in xhaka/mustafi but i'm happy to put faith in him that he can work it out and turn things around, I don't think people really understand the state that the club was left in when he took over, changes required like that won't happen overnight.
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43 league games into his tenure and I see absolutely no improvement in regards to results and or playing style/ identity I don't think anyone is being harsh on Unai.
 
The little snippets coming out from a variety of players, the quotes and words emerging, aren’t painting a pretty picture for Emery. This isn’t going to end well imo.
 
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