Ur Views On Gun Laws!

[Mags]

We were talking about this in the chat room the other nite and i was wondering what your views on the Gun Laws are.

Mine are Guns dont kill ppl, ppl with Guns kill ppl.

Just Wondering What The Rest Of Ur Views Are.

Mags

 

[Hmmmmm]

there shouldnt be a need for gun laws. ppl in suburban areas dont have any reason to have them. farmers should be able to have a few but thats about it.
so im in favour of gun laws andi reckon they should be tightened even further.

Hmmmmm

 

[Carey_is_King]

Reciting the old rhetoric, eh Mags ?

You forgot to add "People WITHOUT guns find it harder to kill people".

A gun has but one purpose. To kill.
Many people are very responsible and level headed gun owners, but how do we know who is who ?
There is absolutely no reason for a city dwelling person to own a gun. The only exceptions are those who require it for their employment (police, military etc).
There is some case to be argued for rural use, but even that is tenuous.
And please don't give me the tired old argument about "only the criminals will have guns if we take them from the law abiding citizens". When did a law abiding citizen last use a gun to confront and deal with a criminal ?

Short answer is, banning guns may deprive some people of a "sporting" use but stiff shit. The greater good is served by guns being unavailable.

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[Mags]

I agree with both of u on what u are saying!

These days cops dont even need guns in some situtaions they can use pepper spray etc.

Mags

 

[Frodo]

I agree with you CIK but I would add that there is an argument for allowing guns at shooting ranges as long as they stay there and are kept locked or under strict supervision.

 

[Asgardian]

I have lived in rural areas, the need for farmers to have a gun is genuine.
(I will explain if anyone wants me to)

In the cities though, I see no need, apart from the already mentioned professional occupations, for anyone to have a gun.

Again, already mentioned was the thought of keeping guns locked away at appropriate sporting clubs, this idea is good common sense.

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Chris

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[This message has been edited by Asgardian (edited 20 January 2001).]

 

[AlfAndrews]

I'm anti-gun.

I could possibly concede that certain rural people might need to have them. But even that's potentially dangerous.

Because psychopaths are not confined to cities. What's to stop a destitute farmer, who's just been f*cked over by the Bank, from putting his whole family out of its misery and turning the gun on himself. These things happen. So how do you stop that?

I suppose you've gotta ask yourself, exactly why do farmers need guns? And is there an alternative?

Excuse my ignorance on this. I'm a dedicated city slicker. I consider anywhere north of the Merri Creek "rural".

But maybe some of those bloomin' yokels from the bush might be able to put me straight on this.

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[Mobbs]

My view is hinted at by a post I laid out a day or two ago :

My old man (dec) owned a firearm (sometimes more than one) pretty well all his adult life. He shot foxes to supplement his income. He could sell the pelt (though the prices weren't too flash) and also would receive commission from farm owners on whose property he got them, as a thank you for saving their lifestock.
I'd like to say he never thought about pointing one at another human being, but ... seeing as he fought in WW2, it'd be a bit silly to say that.

But he certainly was a responsible owner of firearms. locked in cupboards, ammunition kept separate. Never let me near them while I was a youth, and never bagged me when I, as an adult, advised that shooting didn't interest me.

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[Asgardian]

Alf,

There are a few reasons to have guns,
1/- shooting foxes, cats and rabbits
2/- shooting snakes that wander too close to the house
3/- shooting the odd sheep or cattle that break a leg etc. and have been down for too long, shooting livestock when mice have eaten the genitals out, eg. sows, shooting stud bulls that may not have a good meat value, if they break their dicks trying to hurdle barbed wire fences to get at the cows/heifers, to shoot a ewe that is still dragging a miscarried lamb for a full day, you may find half of her guts are also dragging, if a sheep is TOO badly flyblown.

I have lots more examples if you like Alf?

Not trying to be funny, these things all happen.

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Chris

(Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus)

 

[Danni]

I would have to say that I am anti-gun, I agree with the sentiments that there are rural reasons where some gun use maybe applicable.

I can see NO reason at all why city dwelling ppl should have a gun except for those already mentioned for their jobs (police/military).

I am 100% behind the laws prohibiting automatic and semi-automatic weapons. I was at the football when the man 2 seats down (who was also listening to the game on the radio) announced that some person was shooting ppl in Port Arthur.

I remember feeling sick every morning for a week when I looked at the newpaper and it stories of the murders in Dunblane in Scotland.

The Columbine High shootings sent chills down my spine.

I have lived thru the aftermath of 2 of those mentioned events with my father being involved in the debriefing and counselling for Port Arthur and the aniversaries of Dunblane. To see the way it affects ppl for years to come is horrendous.

I don't want my child or a member of my family, or anyone I know, to become one of those types of statistics. I will NEVER agree that guns are necessary in the home.

 

[swanzforever]

Originally posted by Carey_is_King:
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A gun has but one purpose. To kill.
Many people are very responsible and level headed gun owners, but how do we know who is who ?
There is absolutely no reason for a city dwelling person to own a gun. The only exceptions are those who require it for their employment (police, military etc).

i agree with you there, there is really no need for anyone to have a gun if you dont really need it...i think that only people who need them for their employment and stuff should have them.
i mean you could say that farmers and stuff need guns but who really knows what they're gonna do with it?they could be murderers or suicidal or whatever. they can find other ways to kill animals....cant they???? oh well whatever, it's too dangerous to keep a gun around i reckon.



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[sabre_ac]

I am anti gun too

In my opinion all hand guns shoud be outlawed and only used by law enforcement.There sole purpose is to kill people, not for hunting.

Rifles licences should be given out under tight control.

 

[JUBJUB]

Its not guns that kill people,its the idiots that use them the wrong way.

Its the same as this new 50km speed limit.Its not the cars that kill the pedestrians,its the idiot pedestrians that jay walk.

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[Tom FC]

There are no proper alternatives to guns for farmers. I have relatives who own a cherry farm, and they despair at laws which prevent them from shooting crows and ravens, even though they destroy crops, and feel that they may not be able to make a profit if they could not keep the animals out. They use 'scare guns' which make a sound like a gun to keep the birds away, but these are very ineffective. However, they do not need automatic weapons, or even guns powerful enough to be necessarily lethal to humans.

As for city-dwellers, there is no good reason for these people to own a gun.

 

[Mobbs]

In regards to pests such as foxes, the two best alternatives to shooting are poisoning and trapping. These are far less natumane (I made the word up) for two reasons, a) more pain for the pests and b) higher possibility of getting the wrong animal.

I'm not an authority on the matter, but a rifle seems the best answer to removing such pests.

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[Guest]

Guns don't kill people.

People kill people.

But people with guns kill a lot of people.

NO private citizen should be allowed to own any type of firearm, it may be harsh for some people who might have some semi-legitimate reasons like farmers but I would feel a lot safer if guns were banned.

 

[Mobbs]

I don't agree with you, Happy Hawker.

Notwithstanding that I feel your reasons are sound, I reiterate that need precludes withholding, per my previous post.

Extra (perhaps frivolous) arguments, all based on subjectivity (how it seems to me). No intention to claim that I know, it's simply how I feel :
a) Gun crime seems to be losing popularity. The syringe seems to be overtaking it.
b) People intent on using a gun for a manic reason, will probably get one, lawful or no.
c) I feel a sense of fear that the police force might have a monopoly on gun possession. There's quite a lot of mania in the force.
d) It hurts a lot of totally legit gun-owners, to outlaw them.
e) The idea feels dictatorial.

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[magpie_joffa]

Ban all guns
Guns kill people dont give me this rot that people kill people,Guns kill people and its a cowards way of killing a large amount of people if that makes any sense!!!!
Ban all guns

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[Mobbs]

Now you're just being silly, Joffa.

Ban all guns and we'd be singin' spirituals while pickin' bales of cotton for some country that didn't ban all guns.

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[magpie_joffa]

umm maybe you did not quite understand me ,there is no reason whatsoever should people like you and myself be in possession of a firearm or have access to a firearm,like i say ban all guns.I hope that is made clearer.

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[CJ]

I believe that guns should only be used by either the Police or the Military.

One thing I can tell you all is that for at least a month after the shooting at Port Arthur, EVERYONE living here in Hobart was basically very wary of what was going on around them. It was like nobody really trusted each other no matter who they were.

One incident was about 2 weeks after the shooting, when a car simply backfired in the city. People who heard it either froze and a few actually hit the deck!

It just shows how most were on the edge!!




[This message has been edited by CJ (edited 21 January 2001).]

 

[AlfAndrews]

Actually, CJ, there's been a couple of murders in the area I live in in the last couple of years. And whenever I hear a car backfire, or a firecracker explode, I always find myself waiting for the police helicopter to start circling around.

One morning in January 1999 about 5 o'clock I was woken by this helicopter circling overhead. At it was circling around for what seemed like ages. I later found out that it was the police searching for a murderer who was believed to be hiding near the Merri Creek.

Then several months later there was a pay-back murder in the street that I live in. Very bloody scarey.

I didn't do it, by the way. And I've got an alibi.

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[Mobbs]

Joffa,

Did you read the posts regarding farmers, livestock and vermin?

Where do they fit into your argument?

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[Guest]

Mobbenfuhrer, i must respond to your points I'll take them one by one.

A, I don't know where you get your facts about the popularity of crimes with guns but it is an irrelevant point.

B, Being mentally ill does not make you any more liable to be a criminal so I don't understand what you mean by a "manic reason".

C, Why be fearfull of the police having a monopoly on guns, it's their right be armed in a very dangerous job. If your worried about the quality of the personnel in the force then that's a very different argument which I in some circumstances agree with you.

D, Hurting gun owners is the only point in which I partly agree with you, private citizens could own firearms but only if they are kept on a range, there is NO use to have a gun in the home at all.

E, Feels dictatorial hmmmmm now your starting to sound like the rabid right wing loonies in the deep south of the USA. Always ranting about the federal government taking away their constitutional right to keep a gun. I hope you are not this way inclined. Luckily this country operates on a more even keel with a responsible and rational population.

 

[sbagman]

Get rid of as many as possible, I think.

Strongly anti-gun here.