VAFA General Discussion 2022-2023-2024

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Aucklander and I have had a couple of runs through recent posts in this thread and removed a few unsavoury comments.

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Mike Olotripo

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Sadly I can see mergers being on the agenda yet again. Society is very different now. I see it at a premier section club, I could only imagine that these few issues, which seem to be societal and across all sports / divisions being further magnified further down the divisions:

  1. Players not making playing football a huge part of their identity, i.e. most sides I see every week playing in the reserves would have 90% of players under 24. Blokes just don't seem to have either the time or desire to continue to play 2s footy once they start full time work is what I have seen.
  2. Sport is either serious or social, if you can't get a game in the seniors, blokes don't want to come and train twice a week, they would rather play in the thirds, train once a week at best.
  3. Commitment shown off the field is waning and waning terribly. You have to now beg blokes to come up on a Thursday night for dinner, where as 10-15 years ago it was stock standard everyone would come up for a feed post training and have the teams read out.
  4. The ability for volunteers to put their hands up is seriously worrying. Far too few are doing far too much and almost anyone you ask to come onto the committee runs away at the sound of it.
  5. Work demands for players have increased and playing footy for the love of the game doesn't quite have the same appeal that it used to. For example, I know of a player a few years ago at our club who works at a desk (non-tradie) who had a concussion in a game and was off work for the best part of 10 days post being knocked out. Blokes weigh it up and think, is it really worth it and they decide to do other things. Even this year and last year, we have had players with multiple concussions who I know closely monitor their symptoms.

I don't see this sort of stuff changing. I have rather radical idea to get rid of the reserves competition and merge the under 19s with the reserves into an under 23 competition where you can have up to either 6 or 8 players over 23 playing, because there is rarely more than that currently playing at that level.
 

Champ or Chump

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Nov 2, 2006
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Currently rumours exist around Ivanhoe and parade to the northern league, St. John’s to southern and queries around the return of old mentonians and also old Westbourne. Will be interesting off season for sure…

Could we see some mergers? Jocs and doveton eagles getting back together, or jocs and masala? Eley park and BHN could be another…


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I have mentioned this previously, but I believe that the VAFA will see a reduction in CLUBS over the coming 5-10 years as more will look to merge, leave or fold. Unfortunately for many of the reasons outlined in previous posts by many on this forum, the supply of players, committee, umpires and volunteers is dwindling and clubs that want to survive will be forced to look at ANY alternative that some years ago would have been seen as unimaginable.

It is with this in mind that our club is investigating it's options, not because anyone at Ivanhoe wants to end a long year history with the VAFA, but because things have changed and our club needs to adapt or die. I am still not sure what it will mean, but the committee has been very upfront with all information and continues to discuss with everyone involved.

Chump :trophy:
 

CARLTON2011

Team Captain
Feb 20, 2011
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Carlton
Sadly I can see mergers being on the agenda yet again. Society is very different now. I see it at a premier section club, I could only imagine that these few issues, which seem to be societal and across all sports / divisions being further magnified further down the divisions:

  1. Players not making playing football a huge part of their identity, i.e. most sides I see every week playing in the reserves would have 90% of players under 24. Blokes just don't seem to have either the time or desire to continue to play 2s footy once they start full time work is what I have seen.
  2. Sport is either serious or social, if you can't get a game in the seniors, blokes don't want to come and train twice a week, they would rather play in the thirds, train once a week at best.
  3. Commitment shown off the field is waning and waning terribly. You have to now beg blokes to come up on a Thursday night for dinner, where as 10-15 years ago it was stock standard everyone would come up for a feed post training and have the teams read out.
  4. The ability for volunteers to put their hands up is seriously worrying. Far too few are doing far too much and almost anyone you ask to come onto the committee runs away at the sound of it.
  5. Work demands for players have increased and playing footy for the love of the game doesn't quite have the same appeal that it used to. For example, I know of a player a few years ago at our club who works at a desk (non-tradie) who had a concussion in a game and was off work for the best part of 10 days post being knocked out. Blokes weigh it up and think, is it really worth it and they decide to do other things. Even this year and last year, we have had players with multiple concussions who I know closely monitor their symptoms.

I don't see this sort of stuff changing. I have rather radical idea to get rid of the reserves competition and merge the under 19s with the reserves into an under 23 competition where you can have up to either 6 or 8 players over 23 playing, because there is rarely more than that currently playing at that level.
Great post Mike.
Your point 4 is the crucial Club killer l see going forward.
 

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Mounzer11

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Dec 8, 2014
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Great post Mike.
Your point 4 is the crucial Club killer l see going forward.
Clubs have struggled with volunteers since I can remember, its not a new phenomenon.
Interestingly, I was speaking to a coach of one of the divisional clubs and he was saying they have 15 players missing a game each week. They only have two sides and no junior link, but it goes to show, you get your house in order and clubs can flourish at any level.
Are players sick of the arms race in Premier A?? Bringing in AFL and VFL talent each year which pushes local kids down the pecking order. Maybe they are sick of it. Why fully commit when the club doesn't commit to you??
I was speaking to a player who left VFL footy to go play in Premier A with his old boy club who commented that his VAFA club was no different to the VFL team. No community, players just coming and going. Maybe that has a bit do with what is going on.
 

rightfoot_sloth

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Clubs have struggled with volunteers since I can remember, its not a new phenomenon.
Interestingly, I was speaking to a coach of one of the divisional clubs and he was saying they have 15 players missing a game each week. They only have two sides and no junior link, but it goes to show, you get your house in order and clubs can flourish at any level.
Are players sick of the arms race in Premier A?? Bringing in AFL and VFL talent each year which pushes local kids down the pecking order. Maybe they are sick of it. Why fully commit when the club doesn't commit to you??
I was speaking to a player who left VFL footy to go play in Premier A with his old boy club who commented that his VAFA club was no different to the VFL team. No community, players just coming and going. Maybe that has a bit do with what is going on.
Mounzer11 interesting insights.

My own experience is that premier clubs have better off field administrators than a lot of the VFL clubs. As they are not graduates from courses which haven’t experienced local grassroots sports apart from text books. These experienced people make the most of the time available to them.

Also when speaking to the coach did he indicate training numbers ? This is a true indicator of the clubs of the buy in from the playing group.
 

Mike Olotripo

Club Legend
Nov 15, 2019
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Collingwood
Clubs have struggled with volunteers since I can remember, its not a new phenomenon.
Interestingly, I was speaking to a coach of one of the divisional clubs and he was saying they have 15 players missing a game each week. They only have two sides and no junior link, but it goes to show, you get your house in order and clubs can flourish at any level.
Are players sick of the arms race in Premier A?? Bringing in AFL and VFL talent each year which pushes local kids down the pecking order. Maybe they are sick of it. Why fully commit when the club doesn't commit to you??
I was speaking to a player who left VFL footy to go play in Premier A with his old boy club who commented that his VAFA club was no different to the VFL team. No community, players just coming and going. Maybe that has a bit do with what is going on.
I think there is pretty little difference between VFL and VAFA A section because of the seriousness of the competition and players. Let's be honest, most good A grade clubs would give lower rung VFL sides a run for their money most days of the week. I only use our club as an example, but most players who have come to our club through the VFL and have listed Collegians as their home club have really enjoyed it. For example, we had a connection through our former coach to a few boys from Queensland who had come down to play VFL and needed a local club, they came down and loved it despite not knowing anyone from our club at first, one of them has been very handy for us this year. Ditto for a few boys we had who were on North's VFL list, one called us up and just said out of the blue "I'll be playing with you boys next year, I really enjoyed my one game that much", he's still at our club. I think it's more of a reflection of the environment they are playing in more so than the club and players just coming and going.

I concur that the volunteer issue is not new, but what is worrying now, is unlike the past where people have been happy to be put their hands up whilst they're at the club, namely players and players' parents, there seem to be fewer and fewer people like this. Most are happy to come along, watch their kid and leave.

I know that our neighbouring club Powerhouse has a pretty good chunk of their committee who are players, same at a club like Old Melburnians, and plenty of other clubs in lower sections (both district and old school clubs) yet most A grade clubs would struggle to find one player who is willing to put their hand up off field to join the committee and let's be honest, the playing demands probably lead to them not wanting or being unable to commit the time off-field. Junior clubs at least have a more constant turnover of parents / playing groups going through the age groups, hence more are likely to be involved at some stage through committees and so forth around the club.
 

lettheboysplay

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XavsAFL have suffered three forfeits from opponents today. Everyone scared of playing the red and black mafia
no one is impressed when a club with unlimited resources and brainwashing indoctrination techniques continues to do as they do at the expense of the rest of the competition.
 

Mounzer11

Team Captain
Dec 8, 2014
498
394
AFL Club
Sydney
I think there is pretty little difference between VFL and VAFA A section because of the seriousness of the competition and players. Let's be honest, most good A grade clubs would give lower rung VFL sides a run for their money most days of the week. I only use our club as an example, but most players who have come to our club through the VFL and have listed Collegians as their home club have really enjoyed it. For example, we had a connection through our former coach to a few boys from Queensland who had come down to play VFL and needed a local club, they came down and loved it despite not knowing anyone from our club at first, one of them has been very handy for us this year. Ditto for a few boys we had who were on North's VFL list, one called us up and just said out of the blue "I'll be playing with you boys next year, I really enjoyed my one game that much", he's still at our club. I think it's more of a reflection of the environment they are playing in more so than the club and players just coming and going.
No surprise that you're on top in Prem A then Mike. Build it and they will come....
 
Nov 17, 2007
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Just announced:

JOINT ANNOUNCEMENT
The NFNL, SFNL, VAFA, EFNL, RDFNL, EDFL & WRFL would like to announce that the Metro Leagues will transition to PlayHQ next season for all competition management, including registrations and match day management.
This will bring the Metro Leagues in line with the rest of the country, so all Leagues will be operating on the one platform for the 2024 season.
We would like to thank GameDay & Stack Sports for their support over a number of years.
Comprehensive training of League staff on the new platform will commence shortly, followed by training of club personnel, to be ready for the transition for the new football year from November 1, 2023.
 
Just announced:

JOINT ANNOUNCEMENT
The NFNL, SFNL, VAFA, EFNL, RDFNL, EDFL & WRFL would like to announce that the Metro Leagues will transition to PlayHQ next season for all competition management, including registrations and match day management.
This will bring the Metro Leagues in line with the rest of the country, so all Leagues will be operating on the one platform for the 2024 season.
We would like to thank GameDay & Stack Sports for their support over a number of years.
Comprehensive training of League staff on the new platform will commence shortly, followed by training of club personnel, to be ready for the transition for the new football year from November 1, 2023.
Good. Transfers have been a pain in the ass between the platforms
 

Mounzer11

Team Captain
Dec 8, 2014
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Sydney
Mounzer11 interesting insights.

My own experience is that premier clubs have better off field administrators than a lot of the VFL clubs. As they are not graduates from courses which haven’t experienced local grassroots sports apart from text books. These experienced people make the most of the time available to them.

Also when speaking to the coach did he indicate training numbers ? This is a true indicator of the clubs of the buy in from the playing group.
Re; training numbers. Sent him a text - 40 odd on Tuesdays and 50+ on Thursdays.
 

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And how about players being reminded to come in after a game to have a few drinks with supporters and opposition players, seen it at SFNL and they get paid to play and take off straight after a game
We are pretty good on that , they don't even shower so have time
 

Gia77

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Geelong
Just announced:

JOINT ANNOUNCEMENT
The NFNL, SFNL, VAFA, EFNL, RDFNL, EDFL & WRFL would like to announce that the Metro Leagues will transition to PlayHQ next season for all competition management, including registrations and match day management.
This will bring the Metro Leagues in line with the rest of the country, so all Leagues will be operating on the one platform for the 2024 season.
We would like to thank GameDay & Stack Sports for their support over a number of years.
Comprehensive training of League staff on the new platform will commence shortly, followed by training of club personnel, to be ready for the transition for the new football year from November 1, 2023.
Does this have anything to do with lack of indiv. player statistics online? Previously, one could click on a players history and see where they had played, in the best, goals etc. Now all that info has disappeared and it only shows this season
 

Mappa

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It was always a matter of time. There are things PlayHQ need to work on but from an admin and clearances perspective it's a win.
By the looks of it though, the majority of main leagues in Melbourne weren't using it, so transfers shouldn't have been too onerous. I've only had a very small handful of issues with Gameday transfers.

I guess there will be teething problems but we'll have to wait and see.
 

YMEYU

Rookie
Oct 6, 2021
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Essendon
The VAFA so should cap senior teams and have a player loan system similar to the EPL. A/B grade teams could loan the extra players to D2/D3/D4 clubs. Keep the competition strong
 

Seemyhat

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The VAFA so should cap senior teams and have a player loan system similar to the EPL. A/B grade teams could loan the extra players to D2/D3/D4 clubs. Keep the competition strong
Is it April 1st? 🤣🤣

A loan system wouldn't work for a number of reasons. The loaned players wouldn't be too pleased at getting duckshoved off to another club and who pays the registration costs for these loaned players. What happens when a team reliant on loan players makes finals or goes up a grade only for these players to not be loaned anymore. Cmon.
 

Penski

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Is it April 1st? 🤣🤣

A loan system wouldn't work for a number of reasons. The loaned players wouldn't be too pleased at getting duckshoved off to another club and who pays the registration costs for these loaned players. What happens when a team reliant on loan players makes finals or goes up a grade only for these players to not be loaned anymore. Cmon.
There have been versions of this happen before.

Not quite the same but i recall when SMD and Collegians shared U/19 resources for a season (SMD players came into the Collegians two U/19 sides). With those SMD players free to be selected for and play in the SMD seniors when warranted, even though they were playing in a Collegians jumper. Like i said, slightly different circumstances as SMD didn't have enough U/19's for their own side that season, and this allowed the club to retain players that would have otherwise gone elsewhere, and also get them a game each week, but remain a part of the SMD club.
 

The Cobra

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Is it April 1st? 🤣🤣

A loan system wouldn't work for a number of reasons. The loaned players wouldn't be too pleased at getting duckshoved off to another club and who pays the registration costs for these loaned players. What happens when a team reliant on loan players makes finals or goes up a grade only for these players to not be loaned anymore. Cmon.
It might not be feasible but at least he is having a go at some lateral thinking to address the dominant strong school clubs getting stronger and the smaller clubs with a long history dying a slow death. The AFL addressed this via the salary cap & relocations but it still didn’t save Fitzroy. If nothing had changed the AFL would have had about 4 teams survive.

Good on you YMEYU for thinking outside the square rather than repeating the same drivel which is leading the competition as we know it to a slow death.
 

Seemyhat

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It might not be feasible but at least he is having a go at some lateral thinking to address the dominant strong school clubs getting stronger and the smaller clubs with a long history dying a slow death. The AFL addressed this via the salary cap & relocations but it still didn’t save Fitzroy. If nothing had changed the AFL would have had about 4 teams survive.

Good on you YMEYU for thinking outside the square rather than repeating the same drivel which is leading the competition as we know it to a slow death.


My idea is to reduce sections sizes in the Divisions from 10 teams to 8. Currently, the gap between the top and bottom team in any year is such that there is large flogging givens to the bottom side. Consequently numbers drop off and it is these players who disappear (who wants to get flogged every week?) to other clubs or from the game for good. With only 8 teams in a section then there is more likelihood of an even competition even if there is inequalities in the draw and playing some teams away twice.
 

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