Van Berlo

[Stiffy_18]

im not saying he wont be a player but reading some of your responses, some of you seem to think he is a winner already and lining him up for 15-20games and possibly a rising star nom. all on the back of 9 possesions, 3 strong tackles and some smothers in a wizard cup match.

i just think some of you need some perpestive thats all.

as a comparision, a guy who played for us against the dockers named daniel mcconnell got 16possesions in roughly 2 quarters. he really lifted our midfield to the extent he got recognition by all media at the game and singling out by the coaching staff. incidently, nathan and daniels birthdays are 6 days apart even tho d-mac was drafted last year he was at school and was on a limited training regime.

Here we go again. Tell me how many AFL pre-seasons has Daniel done compared to Nathan?????

You seem to think just because they are the same age they should be compared equally. They don't say "you can't buy experience" just for the sake of it.

 

[The Toolman]

im not saying he wont be a player but reading some of your responses, some of you seem to think he is a winner already and lining him up for 15-20games and possibly a rising star nom. all on the back of 9 possesions, 3 strong tackles and some smothers in a wizard cup match.

i just think some of you need some perpestive thats all.

as a comparision, a guy who played for us against the dockers named daniel mcconnell got 16possesions in roughly 2 quarters. he really lifted our midfield to the extent he got recognition by all media at the game and singling out by the coaching staff. incidently, nathan and daniels birthdays are 6 days apart even tho d-mac was drafted last year he was at school and was on a limited training regime.

Listen folks, the point is not whether he had 9 possessions or 30 possessions. The fact that he looked confident, had balance and seemed to be aware of what was going on is enough for me to say that he is one to take note of. Christ, you don't need to look at a stat sheet to see whether someone has ability!

 

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But according to some in the media the umpires have to when giving Brownlow votes. But thats another topic.

I do agree . I rate a stopper/tagger more if his opponent gets beaten. I rate a fullback who keeps a FF to a goal etc and I rated McLeod on his first game even though he looked like a headless chook.

 

[theorangeapple]

Here we go again. Tell me how many AFL pre-seasons has Daniel done compared to Nathan?????

You seem to think just because they are the same age they should be compared equally. They don't say "you can't buy experience" just for the sake of it.

stiffy, i would have thought you knew that new draftees do 25% load of a preaseason, 2nd year players do 50%. the difference between the 2 boys is pretty marginal especially considering the fact mcconnell only trained once a week (and weights) the whole of last year due to school. anyway, i dont want to get into the sematics of comparing wizard cup performances. the point i was trying to make is that no matter how much of the ball van berlo got, you all were talking him up too much for what he has done. im not slagging him off but reading some posts i think you all are getting alittle ahead of yourselves.

 

[theorangeapple]

But according to some in the media the umpires have to when giving Brownlow votes. But thats another topic.

I do agree . I rate a stopper/tagger more if his opponent gets beaten. I rate a fullback who keeps a FF to a goal etc and I rated McLeod on his first game even though he looked like a headless chook.

im pretty sure the umps do get a stats sheet. willing to be corrected though. i thought i heard one of the gf umps on radio saying something like that.

 

[Stiffy_18]

stiffy, i would have thought you knew that new draftees do 25% load of a preaseason, 2nd year players do 50%. the difference between the 2 boys is pretty marginal especially considering the fact mcconnell only trained once a week (and weights) the whole of last year due to school. anyway, i dont want to get into the sematics of comparing wizard cup performances. the point i was trying to make is that no matter how much of the ball van berlo got, you all were talking him up too much for what he has done. im not slagging him off but reading some posts i think you all are getting alittle ahead of yourselves.

Which also illustrates my point. So far McConnel has but in 75% compared to Van Berlo's 25 %.

Fact is this time last year McConnell hasn't even looked like getting a game. Van Berlo is a chance to get some real game time this year.

No one convince me that a full pre-season at Colts level is as effective as 25% of the AFL pre-season. At same stage of their AFL career Van Berlo has shown more than McConnell which is not really the issue but you keep comparing players on their age rather than their experience which I think is very one sided way of looking at things.

At the age of 16 was Judd as good as Wanganeen at the same age????? The answer would most likely be NO. I don't think your criteria of comparing players on age alone is a sound one. More adequate criteria would be to compare players on their experience. Fact is McConnell is in front of Van Berlo on 1 AFL pre-season and as such you would expect him to show more regardless of whether he is a year younger or year older.

I do see where you are coming from but every group os supporters is the same. I think supporters get carried away with their youngsters too much and expect them to be the key contributors. Fact is Van Berlo is a fair way from being a regualr player BUT as a first year player he has been very impressive in both training and game situations.

Also one of my pet peeved is people rating players on stats, Whether thats basketball or footy it doesn't matter because stats are very deceiving. What I look for in youngsters is fundamentls. I wouldn't care less if he got 30 touches or 2 touches but I do care about the little things I look for.

 

[tinman]

i dont want to get into the sematics of comparing wizard cup performances

Then why come on the board and make the comparison? You were the one to compare the two.

And how can you say that Van Berlo's performance was overrated when you didn't see it?

Sorry, I can't see your point, if you actually have one. The kid made a pretty good debut at senior AFL level, albeit Wizard cup. The game was played at a pretty good pace and there was plenty of aggression out there (as with any game against Port), and he picked up the pace, didn't look lost and handled himself well.

And personally, I couldn't give a rat's about what Daniel McConnel did against Freo. I don't think many other posters here do either.

 

[Mong]

van Berlo didn't get a lot of the ball. That's the biggest criticism you could give him on his debut. But I have to say I did like the way he looked when he got it, very composed, made good decisions and used it well. It's a start. He also chased hard. He showed enough to suggest he has some ability. And there's no doubt he has the right attitude.

With game time and experience he will increase his possession count.

 

[theorangeapple]

Then why come on the board and make the comparison? You were the one to compare the two.

And how can you say that Van Berlo's performance was overrated when you didn't see it?

i didnt want to use mcconnell performance as a comparision in terms of how they played rather how their performances were perceived by onlookers. i was using him as an example to my point that you all getting alittle over excited with what van berlo has done to this point. and your right, i didnt see vb play against the crows but honest to god those 9 possesions (sorry to use possesions again stiffy) must have been pretty well used.

i am just posting in response to some of you saying he is going to play 15-20games, a rising star nom, 'you have known since you saw him train he was going to be a gun' etc.

And personally, I couldn't give a rat's about what Daniel McConnel did against Freo. I don't think many other posters here do either.

thats fair enough, i didnt want to turn it into a 'our debutant is better than yours' arguement but just read some articles on our game and see how mcconnell is talked about and then see if nathan gets any sort of rightup from unbiased media.


the only reason i have taken an interest in nathan is because i have recently met one of his best friends at uni (doing same course) and the guy wont shut up about how good he is. so i suppose i am taking my rebuttle on him out on you guys. i hate to think what my life will be like if vb (thats his nickname by the way) played AFL this year or wins a rising star nom or something



case closed, i will stay out of your hair.

 

[Mong]

I'm sure you'll see him play soon enough. Come back and let us know what you think.

 

[theorangeapple]

I'm sure you'll see him play soon enough. Come back and let us know what you think.

the way you guys are talking it may be round 1 against us




(sorry i just broke my promise not to pester)

 

[macca23]

i am just posting in response to some of you saying .......'you have known since you saw him train he was going to be a gun' etc.


the only reason i have taken an interest in nathan is because i have recently met one of his best friends at uni (doing same course) and the guy wont shut up about how good he is. so i suppose i am taking my rebuttle on him out on you guys. i hate to think what my life will be like if vb (thats his nickname by the way) played AFL this year or wins a rising star nom or something

That was my comment and I'll stand by it. If the lad fails or is just an ordinary player long term, you can remind me of it as much as you like.

It's just that I think he's the most exciting draftee I've seen down West Lakes for many a long year. Because of that, I'm prepared to have a lash and call it as I think it, rather than play safe.

By the way, I think your uni friend is gonna have a lot to say at your expense.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I keep saying how much he reminds me of Peter Motley, and either nobody ever saw him or nobody agree's.

No very similar to motley in build and running style - I can understand very much your comparison.

 

[outback jack]

unless you looked for him, van berlo didnt stand out, you’re all making too much of his game. He isnt a definite star yet, still far too early to tell, just compared to the minimal talent we have on the list, you all get excited about him. He appeared at little outside in his play too, not sure how good his hands are in close. I dont think you can expect too much really, try 1-2 yrs.

 

[macca23]

unless you looked for him, van berlo didnt stand out, you’re all making too much of his game. He isnt a definite star yet, still far too early to tell, just compared to the minimal talent we have on the list, you all get excited about him. He appeared at little outside in his play too, not sure how good his hands are in close. I dont think you can expect too much really, try 1-2 yrs.

jack, do you really think we're saying it's all going to happen this year?

We ARE talking 1 to 2 years.