Roast Varcoe

[Footy_Fan2007]

Well,, i am driven to write my first ever post here, after reading all your comments over the past years. Tonight Varcoe showed yet again he never goes in and wants to get the hard ball, always looking for the easy pass from a mate. He has talent no doubt, but until he is prepared to do the hard work, and fight for the ball, and get involved he is nothing but a passenger, much like his other talented mate Hawkins. Very frustrating to watch two guys who could offer so much to the team but seldom try to get involved.

Good post. He HATES to get the hard ball. Do love him though. Hawkins needs to eat cement and harden the **** up.

 

[David the Cat]

Haha, it gets more embarrassing! That's you problem? He's not providing blocks and avoiding tackles. Well in that case, we may as well drop Chappy too, because I know he missed a few last night. And while we're at it, we should look at trying to get McQualter from St Kilda for next year. I heard he is a great pressure player. Can't kick if his life depended on it...but he always blocks.

Just stop. Varcoe's role at the moment is on the outside. He is our man that uses his pace to break away from the congestion. He's not trying to be a Max Rooke tackling machine that takes everyone on with or without the ball. Although, I do remember his tackle on Goldsack, and I would say it would have been one of the hardest of the night. As TheHonestyPolicy pointed out too, he had three tackles, more than a number of other Geelong players.

jimmy.h, great idea with the AFLCA numbers. Sadly I do not think it will satisfy vinum coupe. You see, Varcoe is his favourite player to watch, and whenever he doesn't live up to his dreams, he comes on here and starts a roast thread calling for his head.

Thank you for writing this....saved me the trouble. The calls for Trav to be dropped are ridiculous....it is clear he is playing to instructions, and having watched the game very closely again last night, he was nowhere near as bad as the " bitter pills" on this board have suggested.....and I might say, the same applies to Mackie and Hawkins.

Anyone can watch a player and pick out mistakes made and concentrate on them...and miss the things they do well..... I do it myself sometimes, but if you watch the game a few times, with an open mind, sometimes you modify your views.....unless of course you have an agenda....!

 

[vinum coupe]

I can handle the personal attacks boys. No probs. Whatever gets you off I guess.

Can someone point me to where I can get a copy of the game.
TIA

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I can handle the personal attacks boys. No probs. Whatever gets you off I guess.

Can someone point me to where I can get a copy of the game.
TIA

You only ever watch games once VC.

 

[vinum coupe]

Other than the 07 GF it is a fact.
But I must take the hit for mankind on this occasion.

 

[Partridge]

Anyone can watch a player and pick out mistakes made and concentrate on them...and miss the things they do well..... I do it myself sometimes, but if you watch the game a few times, with an open mind, sometimes you modify your views.....unless of course you have an agenda....!

An agenda? You think we're planning to have him sacked or something?

I'm bemused but not totally surprised at how precious some fans are about this. All that is being suggested is that one player perhaps spends some time in the seconds until they can regain the intensity required for the top level.

I'll ask the question simply - why is it heresy to suggest Varcoe spend time in the seconds? Nothing to do with being sponsored by this board I hope.

 

[vinum coupe]

I never even thought of that partridge.
Hmmm....agenda now has a new angle

 

[JUBJUB]

I'll ask the question simply - why is it heresy to suggest Varcoe spend time in the seconds? Nothing to do with being sponsored by this board I hope.

Sponsor Blake next year

You can bag Blake,Lonergan,Stokes [PO's 3 favs ] Mackie or J Hunt all you like but you dare bag Varcoe and you're supposedly unAustralian or a ********.

 

[CF]

I'll ask the question simply - why is it heresy to suggest Varcoe spend time in the seconds? Nothing to do with being sponsored by this board I hope.

well I have been one calling for him to be dropped and I am the sponsorship organiser so put that little conspiracy theory to bed mate

 

[kanyewest]

I'll ask the question simply - why is it heresy to suggest Varcoe spend time in the seconds? Nothing to do with being sponsored by this board I hope.

What! By the looks of this board it is the other way around. Most people are calling for him to be dropped, not defending him. Other than the very wise ones that is. Go back to what jimmy.h mentioned. He has been given votes by the coaches in the games before this one, so he must be doing something right.

Over-reaction to a quiet game? Obviously. But I suppose at 7-0 this kind of thing happens. Some people just don't know how to relax and enjoy the win, and instead must find something to be annoyed about. For me it was Christensen. I mean - 0 tackles?!? I know he was the sub, but he needs to block and tackle more. Who cares about the goal he kicked, 0 tackles in over a quarter is just completely unacceptable.

 

[David the Cat]

An agenda? You think we're planning to have him sacked or something?

I'm bemused but not totally surprised at how precious some fans are about this. All that is being suggested is that one player perhaps spends some time in the seconds until they can regain the intensity required for the top level.

I'll ask the question simply - why is it heresy to suggest Varcoe spend time in the seconds? Nothing to do with being sponsored by this board I hope.

1) He is targeted by you and your mate ( who could hardly wait to start a criticism thread after beating the top side in the competition....be nice to see a positive thread after such a win, instead of getting a negative one up as quickly as possible ) ....what your underlying motivation is only you know....but he's playing far to well ( even the coaches say so ) to be in the seconds regaining " intensity " ....

2) Its not heresy...its stupidity in my opinion, and fortunately it appears the coaching staff see his contribution positively too.

3) As for the " sponsorship theory " .... hahahahaha...I assume you were kidding. Gave me a good laugh ....good to see you haven't lost your sense of humour.

 

[The Casey Cat]

What! By the looks of this board it is the other way around. Most people are calling for him to be dropped, not defending him. Other than the very wise ones that is.

Really ffs. This is the sort of shit that is pissing off Vinum and a few of the others around here that want Trav to lift. All those who disagree can say in his defence is that he is 'supposed to be playing an outside game' or 'we are 7-0 who cares' and that we have 'no idea about football and are not 'wise' amongst other personal attacks.

Well pardon me Mr West but I DO NOT like seeing our players refuse to go and help there team mates win the contested footy! Also do not like it when they are murdered one on one by Leon Davis. IT IS NOT ####EN ACCEPTABLE! No matter how nice it looks when he bolts down the middle of the ground to get on the end of handballs or whatever.

YES his outside game is important to us and he does some valuable things but I highly doubt ANY of it would have been compromised by him crashing in when it is his time to go or by trying a little bit harder in marking contests. That is what people here are on about. Is not about him dominating, racking up x amount of kicks and goals or whatever but more about him at least TRYING to win the ball when it is your turn to go.

I for one and am not quite sure I want him dropped but I want him to pick up his contested play at least to the level it was the last couple of years. Right now it just isn't as I don't care how bad his shoulder was.

Some people just don't know how to relax and enjoy the win, and instead must find something to be annoyed about. For me it was Christensen. I mean - 0 tackles?!? I know he was the sub, but he needs to block and tackle more. Who cares about the goal he kicked, 0 tackles in over a quarter is just completely unacceptable.

Get the feeling you are joking around here but either way I have NOT ONCE noticed Christensen fail to have a crack when he has to go. Oh and last night he stood up and nailed his set shot rather than give it to someone about to be tackled.

Brereton alluded on a Sunday footy show recently Varcoe's role to stay on his feet and mobile outside was invaluable to Geelong and their season's chances. I might take his view point over yours.

Brereton also believes Joel Selwood is a COMPLETE CHEAT and thought Port were a sure thing to beat us in the 07 GF. Just a few of his other view points. If you want to quote an expert to help your argument then fine but Dermie? FFS give us a break.

 

[David the Cat]

Get the feeling you are joking around here but either way I have NOT ONCE noticed Christensen fail to have a crack when he has to go. Oh and last night he stood up and nailed his set shot rather than give it to someone about to be tackled.

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Alluding to Varcoe to Chapman in the dying moments of the game no doubt..... Did you happen to see what was in front of Varcoe when he handballed off? No-one except Collingwood defenders....if he didnt hand off he was gone.....if he kicked forward they had a free possession and could have reset and returned the ball back and won the frigging game....then you would have lynched him for not handing off......

The continual negative focus on TV, Hawkins and Mackie is unwarranted and plain ignorant in many cases.....certainly statements by the coach of late indicate he is more than happy with Hawkins and Varcoe...( I havent noted him comment on Mackie. ) but hey, what does he know.


And yes, he was not being serious about Bundy....he was simply illustrating through irony the half baked thought processes of posters wanting 3,4 or 5 players given the arse after a wonderful team effort winning against the best team in the competition, putting us on top of the ladder, undefeated.


Too many lemon suckers round here. I can't imagine the vitriol and bitterness around here when we lose a couple.....and we don't have to guess who the targets will be, do we.

 

[The Casey Cat]

Alluding to Varcoe to Chapman in the dying moments of the game no doubt..... Did you happen to see what was in front of Varcoe when he handballed off?

I saw enough space in front of and around Varcoe that he could have ran further forward and had a shot at goal. Was not that far out and is a great long kick on the run. Fair enough if the contested stuff isn't his strength but as an 'outside player' this was the sort of situation he had to do a bit better in and he didn't step up there either.

And yes, he was not being serious about Bundy....he was simply illustrating through irony the half baked thought processes of posters wanting 3,4 or 5 players given the arse after a wonderful team effort winning against the best team in the competition, putting us on top of the ladder, undefeated.

Not sure we all necessarily want 3, 4 or 5 blokes dropped (or even one). As far as Trav is concerned a couple have suggested dropping him back could be an idea (seen as some are claiming he could be lacking confidence in his shoulder, might be a good place to get the contact without the AFL pressure, speed and scrutiny) that's all. I for one would just like Trav to lift in a few areas to at least the level he was the last couple of years.

 

[kanyewest]

The Sim Dog, there is a difference between wanting someone to improve their performance and suggesting they should be dropped. The first is completely normal the latter is stupid. Many in this thread agree that he needs to be sent a message.

Personally I think Varcoe is working hard enough. I don't know why some see him as soft. If you want to provide some concrete examples, please go ahead, but I am yet to see them. Take the Davis contest for instance. Varcoe got beaten - sometimes that happens. It may just be that Leon was having a good night and won the ball. But it certainly wasn't as if Varcoe put no pressure on and just let Davis get away easily. He did not get 'murdered'. This is part of the problem. Some think Varcoe is like G. Ablett reincarnated or something, who must win every passage of play he is involved in, and can't accept that sometimes he might just get beat or make a bad choice.

A quiet night? Yes. Worth a roast thread? No.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Other than the 07 GF it is a fact.
But I must take the hit for mankind on this occasion.

That's the spirit.

 

[mwt5150]

Yes, it tells me some Geelong supporters have no idea.

Anyone that has been at the games would notice that his work rate has been high. Even last night, the goal he kicked, when that play started he was in the back half. He is running and running and running. I think of the Hawthorn game when he ran from the forward line to the back line to the forward line - and finished it off with a goal.

That whole quarter was an example of how Travis is amongst our top handful of players when he's on. Too much of Friday was an example of how he's in the bottom handful when he's not.
We've had guys who cop a lot of crap on here, but who also are simply not up to scratch - Tenace is a perfect example. Trav seems to be one who cops a bit because we see how sublime and influential he can be, but then he looks disinterested and lazy.
When he is prepared to work and run hard he's absolute silk and a joy to watch, but to see him plod around and lay half-arsed tackles is simply a waste, and if it happens more often, then we have enough young guys knocking on the door that Trav is gonna be shown it.

 

[Berserker26]

You guys do realise that there is other things coaches tell players to do that we don't see right? How many of you play local footy? Sacrifice your game for the good of the team, i dont think trav even started a center bounce in the guts Friday night did he?

Varcoe kicked a goal, almost 2 and broke a few lines - granted not his most showy night however i'm almost certain Jason Dunstall gave Didak the worst player on the ground award.....which is all to do with Travis Varcoe.

As people have said before, we're 7-0, he must be doing his job...

 

[thejester]

In the two games before tonight, Varoce was our equal highest poller in the AFLCA player of the year award (he polled 4 in rd 5 and 6 in rd 7, Selwood polled 5 and 5) and was one of only three players to poll in both games.

This really surprised me. On Sunday last week both John Harms and Scott Gullan were gushing in their praise of Varcoe - not merely he played well but both along the lines of 'this kid is about to become a genuine superstar' and my reaction was 'how did they get that out of yesterday's game?'

Don't want him dropped but equally I'm glad Motlop kicked 4 in the twos yesterday...bit of upward pressure can't hurt.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

Really ffs. This is the sort of shit that is pissing off Vinum and a few of the others around here that want Trav to lift. All those who disagree can say in his defence is that he is 'supposed to be playing an outside game' or 'we are 7-0 who cares' and that we have 'no idea about football and are not 'wise' amongst other personal attacks.

Well pardon me Mr West but I DO NOT like seeing our players refuse to go and help there team mates win the contested footy! Also do not like it when they are murdered one on one by Leon Davis. IT IS NOT ####EN ACCEPTABLE! No matter how nice it looks when he bolts down the middle of the ground to get on the end of handballs or whatever.

YES his outside game is important to us and he does some valuable things but I highly doubt ANY of it would have been compromised by him crashing in when it is his time to go or by trying a little bit harder in marking contests. That is what people here are on about. Is not about him dominating, racking up x amount of kicks and goals or whatever but more about him at least TRYING to win the ball when it is your turn to go.

I for one and am not quite sure I want him dropped but I want him to pick up his contested play at least to the level it was the last couple of years. Right now it just isn't as I don't care how bad his shoulder was.



Get the feeling you are joking around here but either way I have NOT ONCE noticed Christensen fail to have a crack when he has to go. Oh and last night he stood up and nailed his set shot rather than give it to someone about to be tackled.



Brereton also believes Joel Selwood is a COMPLETE CHEAT and thought Port were a sure thing to beat us in the 07 GF. Just a few of his other view points. If you want to quote an expert to help your argument then fine but Dermie? FFS give us a break.

Brereton similar to you suffers from emotional blindness and bias at times. Says dumb things and grates on people with his idiosyncracies.

He redeems himself by understanding the modern game when he tells it straight. You dont.

Your theory is and the rest of the 70s footy experts? You know a time before the running game came into vogue...

"Yes we accept Trav has an outside role to play....but we also need him to get into a stoppage and get the ball out for us too"

If you cant see how absurd that sounds mate....I cant help you. If anyone is trying to suggest in a one on one when the ball is in Travs vicinity he wont fight for the ball; then thats kiddies stuff, back to the sand pit.

Anyone know how his shoulder is? No mention of it I guess. He did lay three tackles on friday night. No mention of it. I agree he was average Friday night by his own standards but lets not forget Collingwood are the masters of closing down space, and its Travs job to find space. Given the conditions and the elite opposition on Friday night and some of the crucial plays he still did calls to drop him are about as absurd as anything you will ever read on a footy forum.

Well thats a footy forum written in 2011. I guess the public internet wasnt around in the 70s?

 

[The Casey Cat]

Oh good more about how anyone who does not agree with you or see it your way does not know the game. And then you go off to put a whole lot of crap in my mouth.

And if YOU can't notice that when the ball is in Trav's vicinity right now he is just not working hard enough to win it I am not sure I can help you. Either way am not about to insult you. Perhaps you could do the same with those you don't agree with before accusing others of 'kiddie stuff'.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

Oh good more about how anyone who does not agree with you or see it your way does not know the game. And then you go off to put a whole lot of crap in my mouth.

And if YOU can't notice that when the ball is in Trav's vicinity right now he is just not working hard enough to win it I am not sure I can help you. Either way am not about to insult you. Perhaps you could do the same with those you don't agree with before accusing others of 'kiddie stuff'.

This is a roast thread in a footy forum mate, if you dont like it then piss off.

VC played the Victim Card last night. You too? Sad, very sad.

I notice you havent argued the point. Not giving up are you? haha....

And by the way, you have insulted people in here as much as me, I am just not as precious as you mate to make an issue of it in a footy forum.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

So you didnt notice Scott moved Varcoe onto Didak in the second half ( in defence ) and did a good job. Funny how opposition supporters come onto our board and rave about Varcoe yet the same old posters here do the exact opposite. Still, you're entitled to your opinion.

I suspect you will have plenty of opportunities to sink the boot because Varcoe will play most games this year.

Varcoe wasn't as bad as you make him out IMO, nor was Hawkins as bad as being portrayed here...I thought Tom's first quarter was good, and he did a bit late....I just wish he would put together 100 minutes.

Hawkins was much better than what some here are saying. Can't believe people don't notice the contests he creates, the ruckwork, the 1%ers. If it's not a clean mark or a goal, it goes unnoticed by some people.

 

[The Casey Cat]

This is a roast thread in a footy forum mate, if you dont like it then piss off.

VC played the Victim Card last night. You too? Sad, very sad.

I notice you havent argued the point. Not giving up are you? haha....

Haven't argued the point? I amongst others have given specific bloody examples of things in Trav's game from Friday that I did not like! Twice even. You tried to make out it is unreasonable for me to expect more from Trav in contests given his role. He had no problem being an outside player who went when it was his turn the last couple of years.

And by the way, you have insulted people in here as much as me, I am just not as precious as you mate to make an issue of it in a footy forum.

Yep. In years gone by I have got got a little too personal with people on this forum. Furthermore I argued things in an incredibly pompous and arrogant manner. I stopped doing that here at least and try to just focus on the topic because it is not necessary or fair as we all want the same thing in the end.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

Haven't argued the point? I amongst others have given specific bloody examples of things in Trav's game from Friday that I did not like! Twice even. You tried to make out it is unreasonable for me to expect more from Trav in contests given his role. He had no problem being an outside player who went when it was his turn the last couple of years.



Yep. In years gone by I have got got a little too personal with people on this forum. Furthermore I argued things in an incredibly pompous and arrogant manner. I stopped doing that here at least and try to just focus on the topic because it is not necessary or fair as we all want the same thing in the end.

I have no issue with what you have said mate. Have not taken it personally at all. Hopefully you understand the same in kind? We disagree and in this instance we strongly disagree on an issue, nothing more. I just think you cant be saying ffs, and I am an idiot for quoting brereton and the like and expect nothing in response? The kiddies reference and all the rest of it is what I consider light hearted banter in here, do we disagree again?

I said Trav was average Friday night. Average means can we expect more, absolutely. Does that game Friday night warrant a roast and public bashing, absolutely not. Does it warrant him getting dropped? What a joke. As previously stated Collingwood are the masters of closing down space, they deprive players like Trav of their oxygen. Didak and the form player Blair did little also because we did the same to them for once. Trav was still at least useful.

Trav has a role to play. He was finding some form the previous two matches and this was a step backwards, but against elite opposition in crap conditions. If bias against a player cant be noted in this instance, then I guess why have a forum at all? We disagree completely, thats it.