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But a steadfast Hayden Young told The West Australian after the Gold Coast defeat the club was confident its style could stand up, even in the wet weather.

“Our game plan should stand up in any conditions. We just struggled to execute basic skills which don’t enable our game plan to come to life,” he said last week.

This says it all about the last two weeks. Arrogantly not even trying to adapt to wet conditions.
 
purplearmy said:
But a steadfast Hayden Young told The West Australian after the Gold Coast defeat the club was confident its style could stand up, even in the wet weather.

“Our game plan should stand up in any conditions. We just struggled to execute basic skills which don’t enable our game plan to come to life,” he said last week.

This says it all about the last two weeks. Arrogantly not even trying to adapt to wet conditions.
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Mate it’s a directive from the coach. From the post match presser -

You touched on the conditions. Fans are asking can we play when it is slippery or wet?
I can understand why our fans would be questioning, in particular score in those conditions, so I understand that. I think we can and I don't think that our game plan needs to change too much. But I can understand why they would question it.


JL actually thinks we don’t need to change anything going into wet games. And so we’ll continue to see horrible turnovers into the middle, going lateral instead of forward, overuse of handballs and flicking it around while the oppo gain territory and kick goals.
 
Fat Nyfe said:
Mate it’s a directive from the coach. From the post match presser -

You touched on the conditions. Fans are asking can we play when it is slippery or wet?
I can understand why our fans would be questioning, in particular score in those conditions, so I understand that. I think we can and I don't think that our game plan needs to change too much. But I can understand why they would question it.


JL actually thinks we don’t need to change anything going into wet games. And so we’ll continue to see horrible turnovers into the middle, going lateral instead of forward, overuse of handballs and flicking it around while the oppo gain territory and kick goals.
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I’ve never been completely sold on JLO. If they even make finals and play in Melbourne when it’s wet it will end the same way.
 

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I would rather Freddy play the lockdown defender role if he plays at all. He's not a natural forward and is now a liability
 
purplearmy said:
But a steadfast Hayden Young told The West Australian after the Gold Coast defeat the club was confident its style could stand up, even in the wet weather.

“Our game plan should stand up in any conditions. We just struggled to execute basic skills which don’t enable our game plan to come to life,” he said last week.

This says it all about the last two weeks. Arrogantly not even trying to adapt to wet conditions.
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I wonder what might have made it hard to execute basic skills like catching the ball or kicking the ball or staying on your feet?

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I won't be listening to or watching any footy related content (besides the Freo podcasters) this week. Can't do it.

I'm guessing both David King and Gossage have raging hard-ons browsing twitter.

Feel bad for the Kentucky couple that watched the game too. Imagine travelling across the world to watch that travesty.
 
purplearmy said:
But a steadfast Hayden Young told The West Australian after the Gold Coast defeat the club was confident its style could stand up, even in the wet weather.

“Our game plan should stand up in any conditions. We just struggled to execute basic skills which don’t enable our game plan to come to life,” he said last week.

This says it all about the last two weeks. Arrogantly not even trying to adapt to wet conditions.
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My PTSD goes back even further than that. As they were coming off at half time of the Gold Coast game (after being towelled up in the first half) they interviewed Alex Pearce. The interviewer asked him what they would do differently after half time and he said "we will just stick to our game plan, we know it holds up".

Well no, Alex. No, it does NOT hold up in the wet and anyone with any experience in football knows that short passes and handballs in the wet are a recipe for turning the ball over. Doing it in the backline, which is our "game plan" is the very definition of folly.

It's not the end of the world, but I hope JL is not serious when he says the game plan doesn't need to change much.
 
Suspensions and injuries to key players, questionable team selections, questionable game day coaching, game plan falling apart in wet conditions, the almost midseason wheels are coming off the hype train.

Beat Melbourne in Melbourne, all is forgiven, lose 4 in a row and its going to be tough times.
 
salim malik said:
Freo dont kick enough goals, been a long standing problem. Years of ignoring the forward half has been a drafting disgrace. Low draft pick smalls , a rookie drafted tall who is hot and mainly cold when he gets on the park and a forward ruck who doesn't want to be here .
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We drafted forwards in the first round amd they are all stuck at peel all season long due to a lack of “intensity” while plodders like Banfield and Colyer play every game
 

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Dockeroo said:
We drafted forwards in the first round amd they are all stuck at peel all season long due to a lack of “intensity” while plodders like Banfield and Colyer play every game
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to be fair, Colyer was playing well prior to the GC game. He got exposed badly in the wet and went missing, as did Acres and almost everyone...actually. The whole team just went to jelly and I worry mostly about how it affects their confidence going forward, especially now we have the harder part of our draw ready to expose us.....nervy times. Especially if we get more wet games.

I agree on Banfield, you've been VERY vocal on him not being on the list, let alone in the team and I wholeheartedly agree; but we're not AFL coaches or list managers, just fans....what can we do aside from watch from afar and shake our heads?! It's baffling, but we all make a lot of 'decisions' based on emotions - such as crying from figurative rooftops about Sturt getting a run....etc.

In regards the forwards, it's always difficult when they're Amiss/Treacy types and you can clearly see they need a few good pre-season conditionings and game-time at peel to develop and hone their crafts. Throwing them into the wolves den is okay if we've just won 2 Premierships back to back but I do understand J-Lo this year is trying to develop a Finals-worthy team, which means those guys are always going to be lower down the pecking order for obvious reasons. Obviously Sturt's been on the list longer - but has been hampered by chronic injuries which makes him feel almost like a recent draftee!

It's hard to know what exactly goes through the thought process that concludes Banfield is currently best 22, but I'm actually more concerned with the whole team dynamic after those 2 losses - in the truth of reality, we can probably afford to 'carry' a Banfield in the dry, but in the wet it proved a shocking decision as his general lack of skills are more exposed in the wet than the dry. But as a whole, we looked cluelessly ragged; bereft of confidence and unable to execute. We lost all our better shapes and structures as we ended up chasing ball for a lot of the time out there. Nor be able to stop our oppositions from doing what they wanted. E-yikes....
 
Quazar said:
to be fair, Colyer was playing well prior to the GC game. He got exposed badly in the wet and went missing, as did Acres and almost everyone...actually. The whole team just went to jelly and I worry mostly about how it affects their confidence going forward, especially now we have the harder part of our draw ready to expose us.....nervy times. Especially if we get more wet games.

I agree on Banfield, you've been VERY vocal on him not being on the list, let alone in the team and I wholeheartedly agree; but we're not AFL coaches or list managers, just fans....what can we do aside from watch from afar and shake our heads?! It's baffling, but we all make a lot of 'decisions' based on emotions - such as crying from figurative rooftops about Sturt getting a run....etc.

In regards the forwards, it's always difficult when they're Amiss/Treacy types and you can clearly see they need a few good pre-season conditionings and game-time at peel to develop and hone their crafts. Throwing them into the wolves den is okay if we've just won 2 Premierships back to back but I do understand J-Lo this year is trying to develop a Finals-worthy team, which means those guys are always going to be lower down the pecking order for obvious reasons. Obviously Sturt's been on the list longer - but has been hampered by chronic injuries which makes him feel almost like a recent draftee!

It's hard to know what exactly goes through the thought process that concludes Banfield is currently best 22, but I'm actually more concerned with the whole team dynamic after those 2 losses - in the truth of reality, we can probably afford to 'carry' a Banfield in the dry, but in the wet it proved a shocking decision as his general lack of skills are more exposed in the wet than the dry. But as a whole, we looked cluelessly ragged; bereft of confidence and unable to execute. We lost all our better shapes and structures as we ended up chasing ball for a lot of the time out there. Nor be able to stop our oppositions from doing what they wanted. E-yikes....
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Yeah I’ve been vocal on Banfield but to be honest I’m just tired of it now.
I don’t want to be here each week as a passionate fan whinging about these type of players but I blame the coaches for putting him out there repeatedly.
I would love nothing more than Banners to be sent to Peel for the rest of the year and never to mention him again here.
I can tell you now though looking on Twitter earlier - the vitriol is only going to get worse towards him if he continues to play and not contribute and that is not fair on him and his family. I blame Jlo and the coaches for putting him in that position repeatedly. It’s wrong on several levels.

Regarding the others like acres, Colyer, even Lobb - I’m not surprised. They were going really well earlier on. The last two weeks they have been shit.
All of these players are 27 yo plus with close to 30 years of AFl experience between them. It was unrealistic to think they were all suddenly A graders after 4 or 5 weeks of decent footy. These types fluctuate up and down over periods but will most likely perform at their mean level for the remainder of the season.
That going to be frustrating to watch but I’m expecting nothing more.

Freddy is a bit different. He’s been shit recently but is still only 21 and so could improve. He also has one elite trait (pace) that can be utilised to develop into an effective player. I think he should play at peel for a bit but I think he will start this week.
 
Dockeroo said:
Yeah I’ve been vocal on Banfield but to be honest I’m just tired of it now.
I don’t want to be here each week as a passionate fan whinging about these type of players but I blame the coaches for putting him out there repeatedly.
I would love nothing more than Banners to be sent to Peel for the rest of the year and never to mention him again here.
I can tell you now though looking on Twitter earlier - the vitriol is only going to get worse towards him if he continues to play and not contribute and that is not fair on him and his family. I blame Jlo and the coaches for putting him in that position repeatedly. It’s wrong on several levels.

Regarding the others like acres, Colyer, even Lobb - I’m not surprised. They were going really well earlier on. The last two weeks they have been shit.
All of these players are 27 yo plus with close to 30 years of AFl experience between them. It was unrealistic to think they were all suddenly A graders after 4 or 5 weeks of decent footy. These types fluctuate up and down over periods but will most likely perform at their mean level for the remainder of the season.
That going to be frustrating to watch but I’m expecting nothing more.

Freddy is a bit different. He’s been shit recently but is still only 21 and so could improve. He also has one elite trait (pace) that can be utilised to develop into an effective player. I think he should play at peel for a bit but I think he will start this week.
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Honestly, I’m even embarrassed at myself with getting frustrated at Banfield. Reminder that it’s not his fault, it’s the coaches, the forward line coach even suggesting he’s a third medium tall. To be honest it’s the worst position to play on the field.
Banfield’s best position has always been midfield. Ross went away with the tagging role he was doing so well and tried to change the gameplan. Thus Banfield is pigeonholed as a forward.
He’s a WAFL player who has taken his AFL chance. There’s nothing wrong on that. Some players don’t get to play at the highest level. He has always been fit and ready to selection.
What’s even more frustrating is the midfield have been poor last two weeks. Only have 4-5 recognised midfielders. Jlo did a great job the last two week of the season last year of just putting Switkowski, Banfield, Crowden in the middle. Really needed him to do that against Collingwood. Banfield does okay in the inside contested situations. Throw him in there. Give Brayshaw a reprieve. Serong has been poor some games.

Sturt realistically should be in for him. However his body as well as numbers are pretty unreliable at the moment. Hoping he at least comes in for Brisbane then Hawthorn games before the bye, both at home
 
I have nothing personal against Banfield himself, the selection committee is the body that's selecting him week in and week out, they're the reason that poor Bailey probably gets thousands of hateful messages online publicly and likely in his DMs too.

Save him the trouble of being a whipping boy and either play him in the midfield or don't play him at all. Let him tear it up at Peel.
 
Dockeroo said:
Yeah I’ve been vocal on Banfield but to be honest I’m just tired of it now.
I don’t want to be here each week as a passionate fan whinging about these type of players but I blame the coaches for putting him out there repeatedly.
I would love nothing more than Banners to be sent to Peel for the rest of the year and never to mention him again here.
I can tell you now though looking on Twitter earlier - the vitriol is only going to get worse towards him if he continues to play and not contribute and that is not fair on him and his family. I blame Jlo and the coaches for putting him in that position repeatedly. It’s wrong on several levels.

Regarding the others like acres, Colyer, even Lobb - I’m not surprised. They were going really well earlier on. The last two weeks they have been shit.
All of these players are 27 yo plus with close to 30 years of AFl experience between them. It was unrealistic to think they were all suddenly A graders after 4 or 5 weeks of decent footy. These types fluctuate up and down over periods but will most likely perform at their mean level for the remainder of the season.
That going to be frustrating to watch but I’m expecting nothing more.

Freddy is a bit different. He’s been shit recently but is still only 21 and so could improve. He also has one elite trait (pace) that can be utilised to develop into an effective player. I think he should play at peel for a bit but I think he will start this week.
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Yes agreed, agree with everything in fact. I argued this point earlier, after we lost to the Saints about our list management approach, getting guys in like Acres, Colyer etc; losing guys like B.Hill, Cerra etc.....clearly, when the system is good and is working; everyone buying in, we look close to a million dollars off the back of neat wins. Even our so-called 'plodders' get overlooked for criticism for the most part because the whole is greater than the sum of its parts - except when they do something and stuff up haha. A good example would be Serong, who I personally think has been mostly bog-ordinary this year but barely gets a mention because of his magnificent first 2 years, no doubt he's a talent that has emerged faster out the blocks than most, but right now - he's coasting on reputation. That being said, if you dropped him or even Walters to make 'statements', for whom?! I don't feel our list bats as deep as we all felt 3 or 4 weeks ago when we were flying.

Obviously as far as list goes, he's best 22 - but in a year when we're supposedly coming with 'great depth', it's hard to see who can be dropped for something better. Banfield is an obvious one, and I agree - it's criminal to just keep singling him out. That's why I try not to, other than in moments like now - I am more concerned for the team than the individual. I think we need those over 27s to help push us into finals, as they have the most experience in all areas to help us deal with that. It's getting the balance right, and clearly our forward line is still the achilles heal it's always been.

In regards Lobb, I feel he's a very overrated player as a whole, good contested mark, does well aerobically in moving around, he was pivotal in knocking the ball out when we went down the line to force a stoppage when it's hard to mark in the wet and an opportunity to reset against the Magpies and I do feel despite everything, he's having a pretty decent season. But if he was the main target in lieu of Tabs going down injured for the multipleth time, it hardly strikes fear into the opposition and confidence into the fans. A lot of the time when he marks inside forward 50 I get that nervy feel watching him go for goal, he isn't wholly reliable. He just isn't that 'wow factor' as a forward, compared to a Curnow, Lynch or even Hawkins. He's too much the ruck/forward hybrid, so in many ways that creates a problem, I think our tall forward contingent on our list is very incongruous right now; we NEED a Charlie Curnow type, someone who is going to be challenging for the Coleman. We have options coming from underneath, but they're very young, very raw and need time to develop. We're a bit unbalanced in that department.

Tabs could do it, but his injury prone nature is always getting in the way of that.

So far Lobb's our leading goal-kicker with 14, but when Curnow is on the top with 33 it shows you how far off the mark we are with goal-scoring power and those that have similar numbers. We need more firepower and desperately as our window has now opened. Amiss looked like a fantastic proposition in the making but his injury and the cloud over that is a worry now; I still think we're missing a few important pieces off this rebuild, but I'm excited still to see where we go from here on in. Shows you how much 'work' still feels like it needs to be done
 
God damn, I forgot I'm in the vent thread!

'Well, it's all just f***in useless and inspidid, god damn; grrr, grrr.....arghhhh!" Feel like a pirate.....
 

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Dockeroo said:
Regarding the others like acres, Colyer, even Lobb - I’m not surprised. They were going really well earlier on. The last two weeks they have been shit.
All of these players are 27 yo plus with close to 30 years of AFl experience between them. It was unrealistic to think they were all suddenly A graders after 4 or 5 weeks of decent footy. These types fluctuate up and down over periods but will most likely perform at their mean level for the remainder of the season.
That going to be frustrating to watch but I’m expecting nothing more.
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You can add Aish and probably Schultz to that list although their base levels are better than Acres, Lobb, Colyer and Banfield. The point is we have years of exposed form for these guys, they are serviceable C graders capable of playing at a B grade level but they can't be considered integral and undroppable because of a few weeks of solid footy. They are the fringe guys, the bottom 6 of the 22 that every team has that should be there to support the B+/A grade talent that we do have. They're interchangeable based on needs and availability. The coaching group has lost sight of the bigger picture. You can't have all our top draft picks playing (and performing!) at Peel because these guys have 'earnt their stripes' or train hard or show good leadership during the week.

Also, I've been really disappointed by the treatment of Erasmus. A short recap - he plays his first two games and looks to be building, then we drop him. He travels to Melbourne but doesn't play. Plays the next week in the WAFL (a clear BOG), the next week there's no WAFL and he isn't selected for Freo. Plays a quarter as the medi-sub vs North. Gets a full game vs the GC. Then medi-sub last week who didn't play - at any level. Just a crap, complete lack of consistency for a guy who has already missed a lot of footy in previous years through injury by the way, a top 10 pick who has the tools to be part of the future of our midfield but we are restricting him from getting a consistent run at it. I think he should be in the side but if he's not he should at least be playing for Peel every week. The medi-sub is exactly the role you'd give to your fringe role players Colyer/Banfield etc, that role for one of our most promising young talents is terrible decision making by the Match Committee.
 
Fat Nyfe said:
You can add Aish and probably Schultz to that list although their base levels are better than Acres, Lobb, Colyer and Banfield. The point is we have years of exposed form for these guys, they are serviceable C graders capable of playing at a B grade level but they can't be considered integral and undroppable because of a few weeks of solid footy. They are the fringe guys, the bottom 6 of the 22 that every team has that should be there to support the B+/A grade talent that we do have. They're interchangeable based on needs and availability. The coaching group has lost sight of the bigger picture. You can't have all our top draft picks playing (and performing!) at Peel because these guys have 'earnt their stripes' or train hard or show good leadership during the week.

Also, I've been really disappointed by the treatment of Erasmus. A short recap - he plays his first two games and looks to be building, then we drop him. He travels to Melbourne but doesn't play. Plays the next week in the WAFL (a clear BOG), the next week there's no WAFL and he isn't selected for Freo. Plays a quarter as the medi-sub vs North. Gets a full game vs the GC. Then medi-sub last week who didn't play - at any level. Just a crap, complete lack of consistency for a guy who has already missed a lot of footy in previous years through injury by the way, a top 10 pick who has the tools to be part of the future of our midfield but we are restricting him from getting a consistent run at it. I think he should be in the side but if he's not he should at least be playing for Peel every week. The medi-sub is exactly the role you'd give to your fringe role players Colyer/Banfield etc, that role for one of our most promising young talents is terrible decision making by the Match Committee.
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can't argue with this post, it's spot on. Well said
 
Here's my main vent.

We have perhaps the most dominant tap ruckman in the game at the moment, outside Max Gawn & Witts.

On the weekend, in a stoppage dominant game, we did not maximise our advantage, Darcy Cameron is very much a Forward Ruck in the mould of Lobb, but with a bit more grunt.

What is most infuriating, is having Darcy direct his taps to his feet, and seeing our mids, outside of Brodie, stand back shoulder. If the intent is to drop to the front and have the mids battle, have two scrapping instead of one.

Also, why not tap to the outside and push pies mids in on each other?

The number of times Brodie was left on his own against a combo of Adams, Crisp & Pendlebury was infuriating. It was set up for clean football, tap - hands clear, spread.

It was wet, Pies hand no intention of hanballing backward and sideward - win first posession, first contest - on the boot, take ground.

This is entirely on the stoppages coach, JL & players - some of the dumbest football I think I've seen from our club.
 
FDH16 said:
Here's my main vent.

We have perhaps the most dominant tap ruckman in the game at the moment, outside Max Gawn & Witts.

On the weekend, in a stoppage dominant game, we did not maximise our advantage, Darcy Cameron is very much a Forward Ruck in the mould of Lobb, but with a bit more grunt.

What is most infuriating, is having Darcy direct his taps to his feet, and seeing our mids, outside of Brodie, stand back shoulder. If the intent is to drop to the front and have the mids battle, have two scrapping instead of one.

Also, why not tap to the outside and push pies mids in on each other?

The number of times Brodie was left on his own against a combo of Adams, Crisp & Pendlebury was infuriating. It was set up for clean football, tap - hands clear, spread.

It was wet, Pies hand no intention of hanballing backward and sideward - win first posession, first contest - on the boot, take ground.

This is entirely on the stoppages coach, JL & players - some of the dumbest football I think I've seen from our club.
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Fat Nyfe said:
You can add Aish and probably Schultz to that list although their base levels are better than Acres, Lobb, Colyer and Banfield. The point is we have years of exposed form for these guys, they are serviceable C graders capable of playing at a B grade level but they can't be considered integral and undroppable because of a few weeks of solid footy. They are the fringe guys, the bottom 6 of the 22 that every team has that should be there to support the B+/A grade talent that we do have. They're interchangeable based on needs and availability. The coaching group has lost sight of the bigger picture. You can't have all our top draft picks playing (and performing!) at Peel because these guys have 'earnt their stripes' or train hard or show good leadership during the week.

Also, I've been really disappointed by the treatment of Erasmus. A short recap - he plays his first two games and looks to be building, then we drop him. He travels to Melbourne but doesn't play. Plays the next week in the WAFL (a clear BOG), the next week there's no WAFL and he isn't selected for Freo. Plays a quarter as the medi-sub vs North. Gets a full game vs the GC. Then medi-sub last week who didn't play - at any level. Just a crap, complete lack of consistency for a guy who has already missed a lot of footy in previous years through injury by the way, a top 10 pick who has the tools to be part of the future of our midfield but we are restricting him from getting a consistent run at it. I think he should be in the side but if he's not he should at least be playing for Peel every week. The medi-sub is exactly the role you'd give to your fringe role players Colyer/Banfield etc, that role for one of our most promising young talents is terrible decision making by the Match Committee.
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Great post
Couldn’t agree more especially regarding Erasmus. Stop ****in the kid around and let him play every game for the rest of the season. He’s a top ten pick who should be looking to get a RS nom this year and play 10 or 12 games straight not scrapping with D graders for a place in the side.

His improvement curve game to game is probably at the steepest point in his career. The other role players you mentioned are flat lined long ago. They are not going to improve
 
Wilksyy said:
I won't be listening to or watching any footy related content (besides the Freo podcasters) this week. Can't do it.

I'm guessing both David King and Gossage have raging hard-ons browsing twitter.

Feel bad for the Kentucky couple that watched the game too. Imagine travelling across the world to watch that travesty.
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Kentucky rain keeps pouring down
And up ahead's another dockers game I'll be going to
With the rain in my shoes.
 

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