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[gungho]

Can anyone in this team honour a f##king lead. Jye Amiss must be pulling his hair out.

 

[Footskill]

Can anyone in this team honour a f##king lead. Jye Amiss must be pulling his hair out.

Do you think it's a trust facto with all his yips they don't trust him to kick it .prob more those kicking don't have the skill..in Voss case he wanted be the voss the boss

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Can anyone in this team honour a f##king lead. Jye Amiss must be pulling his hair out.

The one that pissed me off was when Voss turned his back on the play to meander back for a very tight angle shot on goal, all the while Josh Treacy was waving his arms calling for the ball at the top of the goal square.
Fair enough Josh wasn’t making a lead at the time but he had at least 7 metres break on his opponent.
Now this can be partially excused if Patrick Voss was even a reasonable kick, however he is delusional in thinking he is another Sam Sturt.
Of course Vossy kicked it straight out on the ****ing full. NO ****ing surprise there.
Jye got burned at least three times with good leads and perhaps the kicker doubted his own ability to get it to him,
Voss however ****ing turning his back on the goals when he is on a thirty degree angle is unforgivable.
The cross field kick, god knows who he was looking for.

 

[DragoDelph]

**** this club.

6 in a row. A dark part of me wants to see us lose this week, so the coaching position becomes untenable. But the whole box has to go.

 

[stax on the mull]

I'm seeing a majority of posts with thumbs up and love emojis wanting us to lose a Derby. Proof this place is for nuffies.

 

[Quazar2]

**** this club.

6 in a row. A dark part of me wants to see us lose this week, so the coaching position becomes untenable. But the whole box has to go.

I'm genuinely shocked you typed this.

Not because you are wrong (although I don't like the losing to West Coast ideas..), just....when well balanced/reasonable/thoughtful posters like yourself; Snuff, Joao and others are hurting and upset, you know there's a deep problem. One right at the emotional core. And really, at the end of the day, THIS club appointed Longmuir, then allowed 6 seasons of him to run its course, the only outlier of enjoyment being 2022 (to date). So, as others have mentioned that's 1 final appearance in 9 years.

Horribly depressing stuff, need a serious time out (self imposed). Life is too short to wind up this miserable

 

[MadMundy]

I'm seeing a majority of posts with thumbs up and love emojis wanting us to lose a Derby. Proof this place is for nuffies.

It's born from continued frustration, sure, none of us like seeing our team lose, but at this point, if it speeds up the process of getting a new coach then it may be the right result in the long term.

Longmuir I highly doubt has any pressure internally, everyone still seems to think things are sunshine and rainbows. I want this club to win a flag, it will not happen under Longmuir.

 

[jusjoshin]

Dave Mundy just said on 6PR that the Eagles are closer to a GF than the dockers.
And I’ll repeat what I said last year, we should have used our two first rounders in the draft instead of getting a middle aged player looking for a retirement package.

We do love putting all of our eggs in one basket don't we.

 

[gungho]

The one that pissed me off was when Voss turned his back on the play to meander back for a very tight angle shot on goal, all the while Josh Treacy was waving his arms calling for the ball at the top of the goal square.
Fair enough Josh wasn’t making a lead at the time but he had at least 7 metres break on his opponent.
Now this can be partially excused if Patrick Voss was even a reasonable kick, however he is delusional in thinking he is another Sam Sturt.
Of course Vossy kicked it straight out on the ****ing full. NO ****ing surprise there.
Jye got burned at least three times with good leads and perhaps the kicker doubted his own ability to get it to him,
Voss however ****ing turning his back on the goals when he is on a thirty degree angle is unforgivable.
The cross field kick, god knows who he was looking for.

Everyone is critical of Voss kicking 1.3 (and one out on the full) but his biggest deficiency is definitely not getting back quickly and passing it off.
He actually has the attributes to be a pretty good forward once he puts it all together (and improves his kicking for goal) but someone has to have a word to him about being a team player. It cost us the game yesterday.

 

[stax on the mull]

It's born from continued frustration, sure, none of us like seeing our team lose, but at this point, if it speeds up the process of getting a new coach then it may be the right result in the long term.

Longmuir I highly doubt has any pressure internally, everyone still seems to think things are sunshine and rainbows. I want this club to win a flag, it will not happen under Longmuir.

There's no &^$%ing reason ever to want to lose to West Coast.

 

[Spirit Level]

Luke Ryan, get the **** out of this team and go to the gym you useless fat campaigner.

He is in embarrassing shape for an AFL footballer and would be sent to the magoos to get in shape by a club that had balls.

 

[MadMundy]

There's no &^$%ing reason ever to want to lose to West Coast.

I agree, but **** it would be nice to have any confidence about the future of this team.

 

[chaosball32]

I’ve never felt so disillusioned with the club before.

I think the worst part is seeing fans on various social media once again try to justify or defend that performance. I’ve never seen a fanbase in any sport with such low standards. Yeah if you only look at the scoreboard and completely ignore all other context and contributing factors then maybe you could spin some positives.

Fair enough if you are the cool calm customer type and ripping your hair out isn’t your style but I feel like I’m being gaslit into believing we are actually a super successful club with an amazing team/coach and this is all part of the plan and everything is fine and amazing and I have no right to complain as a long suffering supporter.

Out of the 8 quarters of football we’ve played so far, we’ve probably only played 1.5 good quarters (second half of the 3rd quarter last week, 1st quarter this week)

I’ve tried to watch as many games as I can and genuinely I think we are so far the worst looking team in the league at the moment and that’s not an exaggeration. Looking at the other 0-2 teams, Carlton, Essendon, Melbourne and West Coast have all managed to put together longer patches of cohesive and attractive looking footy then we have.

And people saying “we lost by 3 points, if the result was reversed the narrative would be different!” No it wouldn’t. If anything it would have been papering over very obvious cracks. We still play a style of football that is not conducive to long-term success in modern footy and will get us NOWHERE - not to mention it’s just awful to watch. And the amount of times we’ve lost the exact same carbon copy game over the past 2 years shows we are learning nothing. It doesn’t feel like a new season, it feels like a continuation of last season, which makes me question what this team was doing all summer?

Playing this style of footy, we will beat up on lower end teams, which is why I think we will beat West Coast next week, but any team worth their salt will embarrass us. I shudder to think what teams like Hawthorn and GWS would do to us.

Longmuir has coached 50 games against top-8 teams during his tenure and we’ve only won 14 of them. 28% win rate against the good teams in the comp. And this is over 6 seasons. How much more proof do you need? His style of football will not take us to where we need to be.

Sorry for the directionless ranting.

 

[MadMundy]

I’ve never felt so disillusioned with the club before.

I think the worst part is seeing fans on various social media once again try to justify or defend that performance. I’ve never seen a fanbase in any sport with such low standards. Yeah if you only look at the scoreboard and completely ignore all other context and contributing factors then maybe you could spin some positives.

Fair enough if you are the cool calm customer type and ripping your hair out isn’t your style but I feel like I’m being gaslit into believing we are actually a super successful club with an amazing team/coach and this is all part of the plan and everything is fine and amazing and I have no right to complain as a long suffering supporter.

Out of the first 8 quarters of football, we’ve probably only played 1.5 good quarters (second half of the 3rd quarter last week, 1st quarter this week)

I’ve tried to watch as many games as I can and genuinely I think we are so far the worst looking team in the league at the moment and that’s not an exaggeration. Even Carlton and West Coast have managed to put together longer patches of cohesive and attractive looking footy then we have.

And people saying “we lost by 3 points, if the result was reversed the narrative would be different!” No it wouldn’t. If anything it would have been papering over very obvious cracks. We still play a style of football that is not conducive to long-term success in modern footy and will get us NOWHERE. And the amount of times we’ve lost the exact same carbon copy game over the past 2 years shows we are learning nothing.

Playing this style of footy, we will beat up on lower end teams, which is why I think we will beat West Coast next week, but any team worth their salt will embarrass us. I shudder to think what teams like Hawthorn and GWS would do to us.

Longmuir has coached 50 games against top-8 teams during his tenure and we’ve only won 14 of them. 28% win rate against the good teams in the comp. And this is over 6 seasons. How much more proof do you need? His style of football will not take us to where we need to be.

Sorry for the directionless ranting.

That's the worst part, there are people acting like it's okay, after all, we only lost to the grand finalists by three points!! Clearly everything is okay and people are just overreacting!!!

People are so used to failure that they don't know how to call it out when enough is enough.

 

[Alfonz]

I’ve never felt so disillusioned with the club before.

I think the worst part is seeing fans on various social media once again try to justify or defend that performance. I’ve never seen a fanbase in any sport with such low standards. Yeah if you only look at the scoreboard and completely ignore all other context and contributing factors then maybe you could spin some positives.

Fair enough if you are the cool calm customer type and ripping your hair out isn’t your style but I feel like I’m being gaslit into believing we are actually a super successful club with an amazing team/coach and this is all part of the plan and everything is fine and amazing and I have no right to complain as a long suffering supporter.

Out of the 8 quarters of football we’ve played so far, we’ve probably only played 1.5 good quarters (second half of the 3rd quarter last week, 1st quarter this week)

I’ve tried to watch as many games as I can and genuinely I think we are so far the worst looking team in the league at the moment and that’s not an exaggeration. Looking at the other 0-2 teams, Carlton, Essendon, Melbourne and West Coast have all managed to put together longer patches of cohesive and attractive looking footy then we have.

And people saying “we lost by 3 points, if the result was reversed the narrative would be different!” No it wouldn’t. If anything it would have been papering over very obvious cracks. We still play a style of football that is not conducive to long-term success in modern footy and will get us NOWHERE - not to mention it’s just awful to watch. And the amount of times we’ve lost the exact same carbon copy game over the past 2 years shows we are learning nothing. It doesn’t feel like a new season, it feels like a continuation of last season, which makes me question what this team was doing all summer?

Playing this style of footy, we will beat up on lower end teams, which is why I think we will beat West Coast next week, but any team worth their salt will embarrass us. I shudder to think what teams like Hawthorn and GWS would do to us.

Longmuir has coached 50 games against top-8 teams during his tenure and we’ve only won 14 of them. 28% win rate against the good teams in the comp. And this is over 6 seasons. How much more proof do you need? His style of football will not take us to where we need to be.

Sorry for the directionless ranting.

To me it seems clear what they were doing all summer. Preparing to do exactly what they did last season when we were 3rd on the ladder after Round 17 and hope our key pillars do not get injured again. The "less vanilla" brand of football was simply plonking Bolton into the same gameplan.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Everyone is critical of Voss kicking 1.3 (and one out on the full) but his biggest deficiency is definitely not getting back quickly and passing it off.
He actually has the attributes to be a pretty good forward once he puts it all together (and improves his kicking for goal) but someone has to have a word to him about being a team player. It cost us the game yesterday.

Is that not what I said ?
Look, Voss’ vigour combined with his mobility is a great asset for us. But he does do what I stated above.
You can bet your left nut Josh Treacy would have ripped into him at 3/4 time.
Someone like Sturt or Josh Treacy needs to coach him on goal kicking technique; fix his kicking and we’ve got a player.
As far as the midfield cross ground kick, vossy committed to the action before checking it was an option and of course it wasn’t.
Patrick Voss is worth persevering with but he needs some one on one tutoring.
I was directly in line when Voss was shooting for goal on a thirty degree angle and I said to people around me wtf is he doing. This ball will go straight over there, where it went. It literally unfolded in my mind.
I then qualified my prediction with he misses them from point blank range and sure enough in the last quarter when the game was there for the sealer goal, directly in front and splat.
Stevie Wonder could see it.

 

[Dockeroo]

Sturt is such an underrated out in that team.
If he’s there yesterday he probably gets 9 touches, kicks 2 or 3 goals from maybe 3 or 4 looks at the goal, and we win by 10 points or so.

Some of the goal kicking was horrendous. Sturt was the most accurate set shot in the entire comp last year.
Its so frustrating his body can’t hold up

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Sturt is such an underrated out in that team.
If he’s there yesterday he probably gets 9 touches, kicks 2 or 3 goals from maybe 3 or 4 looks at the goal, and we win by 10 points or so.

Some of the goal kicking was horrendous. Sturt was the most accurate set shot in the entire comp last year.
Its so frustrating his body can’t hold up

I am picking Sam Sturt ahead of Minairo in my best team. He missed some gettable goals yesterday.
I would play him on the wing and Sharpe has got to learn a sixty metre bomb into the forward line isn’t always a good option. This is where Frederick has it over Sharpe but it has to be on the fat wing only.

 

[chaosball32]

And one more thing to add, I feel like the eternal optimists are hanging their hat on everything suddenly coming good once Darcy and Young get back.

Sure, if we had Darcy and Young over Voss and Banfield/Erasmus yesterday then the result may have been reversed, but I don’t think that changes anything in the long run.

We play a fundamentally flawed style of footy and the coach has shown zero desire to change or divert from his gameplan. This style of footy has proven it will seldom hold up against the best teams and certainly not under the manic September pressure, if we even get there. It doesn’t matter what the team line-up is.

I’ve always been skeptical of JL’s style of footy and now I’ve never been so sure that it doesn’t work. So what’s the point? Feel like until he’s gone from the club we will continue to waste everyone’s time going around and around in the same endless cycle.

 

[purplearmy]

It's born from continued frustration, sure, none of us like seeing our team lose, but at this point, if it speeds up the process of getting a new coach then it may be the right result in the long term.

Longmuir I highly doubt has any pressure internally, everyone still seems to think things are sunshine and rainbows. I want this club to win a flag, it will not happen under Longmuir.

The sooner is he gone the better chance we have. A proper attacking game plan that excites the crowd and the players themselves.

 

[MadMac]

The sooner is he gone the better chance we have. A proper attacking game plan that excites the crowd and the players themselves.

What annoys me more than shit coaching is that sadly he won’t be moved on until the end of the season regardless how we play. So wanna be wrong about this, but I doubt the board has the guts to do it

 

[Midnite65]

Just watched the last quarter again, we had put up a wall in our forward line outside the 50 and Clark had take a good mark to then centre it and we had the opportunity to burn a couple of minutes with short passes but Sharp gets it and just plays on and bombs it in only for it to come out the other side where we weren't set up to defend. He played it like we were behind and not in front at that stage. We weren't the team that was behind that needed the next goal. Obviously the only way to avoid this is to get 2-3 goals ahead in the first place or take the ball out of those who don't have the capability or cool head to assess pressure situations, i.e. someone running past Voss for the handball instead of him trying to do a Hayden Young pass to the centre.

 

[Midnite65]

The sooner is he gone the better chance we have. A proper attacking game plan that excites the crowd and the players themselves.

Don't really care if it is exciting or attacking, we can have the most boring game plan in the league as long as we execute it and we win the majority of our games.

 

[Rhufus]

Jeremy Sharp can not do anything but bomb it long and high when 70 metres out?.

Is anyone out there actually directing him to change his approach?

He had 4 inside 50s in the last quarter. If one of those kicks hits a target we win the game.

I can see this very clearly but have zero faith in anyone pointing this out to him and we will no doubt see the same thing again next week.

Fu##ing infuriating.

Very good point. I dont think anyone is directing him to change his approach. Which is why I find it hard to be critical of the players when the coaching panel are so blatantly deficient. Its obvious that Sharp is NOT being told to lower the eyes and its also obvious the forwards are not told to lead. If it was just Sharp that was not doing the right things, then you could blame the player and sent him to Peel.

You watch the three big forwards at Crows, never to be found in the same spot, always leading. Get out the old tapes of Josh Kennedy from the Eagles, incessant leading, our forwards have NEVER done what Kennedy did in every game.

I cant understand also, why they start both Treacy and Amiss on the same line ie the full forward line. Wouldnt you have one starting on the Half forward line and one on the Full Forward line? You know, like the traditional centre half forward thats worked for like a 100 years?

None of this would bother me as a trial but when youve trialled it for 4 years with the same unbelievably poor results, you would think you would trial a change. Frustrating because there are about 15 things we could instantly change that would improve us by a tremendous amount.

 

[Rhufus]

It shows you how much having our best 2 kicks out of the side (young and walters) annihilates a team with our footskills.

Honestly there's no one i'd like to be leading to on this side. Maybe Luke Ryan but he couldn't defend my grandma.

Another good point, now Mundy is gone we need to priortise elite kickers to the forward line. Its why I was so happy when we picked up Young. Young, Walters, Clark, Ryan are good kicks. Reid is promising, Bolton is a good decision maker. We are not far away. We should try either Clark or Ryan further up the ground, probably wing. I know it goes against the grain but the grain is not working. Some of these out there ideas may not work either but at least try them. We are not winning it this year, yet again.