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Anyone know scoring records for the old lower grades?

Seem to remember there being some big scores in the 80s and 90s that would be cool to chase up.
 

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To begin with, here are the highest scores each traditional club kicked in the Reserves competition.

Carlton . . 37.19 (241) vs Essendon, 1984 (round 9)
Collingwood 36.15 (231) vs Melbourne, 1976 (round 22)
Essendon . .33.14 (212) vs St.Kilda, 1983 (round 2)
Fitzroy . . 32.15 (207) vs Geelong, 1989 (round 5)
Footscray . 37.16 (238) vs St.Kilda, 1992 (round 2)
Geelong . . 38.17 (245) vs Richmond, 1989 (round 22)
Hawthorn . .45.20 (290) vs Sydney, 1987 (round 7)
Melbourne . 36.18 (234) vs Richmond, 1984 (round 22)
North Melb .38.18 (246) vs Sydney, 1987 (round 10)
Richmond . .37.30 (252) vs Geelong, 1947 (round 17)
St.Kilda . .38.27 (255) vs West Melbourne, 1920 (round 14)
South/Sydney 35.13 (223) vs Geelong, 1976 (round 1)


South Melbourne lost the match points from their game through playing an ineligible player.
 

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Other Reserves scores in excess of 220:

Carlton . . 36.24 (240) vs Sydney, 1987 (round 19)
Carlton . . 37.18 (240) vs Fitzroy, 1987 (round 21)

Geelong . . 37.12 (234) vs Richmond, 1989 (round 9)
Carlton . . 36.13 (229) vs North Melbourne, 1986 (round 11)
Geelong . . 34.24 (228) vs Melbourne, 1994 (round 13)
Richmond . .34.22 (226) vs South Melbourne, 1973 (round 21)
North Melb .35.14 (224) vs Hawthorn, 1990 (round 5)
Collingwood 33.24 (222) vs St. Kilda, 1979 (round 4)
Geelong . . 33.22 (220) vs Melbourne, 1980 (round 16)


Note that later in round 4, 1979, Collingwood seniors went on to post a score of 31.21 (207) versus St.Kilda seniors.
 

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Other Reserves scores in excess of 220:

Carlton . . 36.24 (240) vs Sydney, 1987 (round 19)
Carlton . . 37.18 (240) vs Fitzroy, 1987 (round 21)

Geelong . . 37.12 (234) vs Richmond, 1989 (round 9)
Carlton . . 36.13 (229) vs North Melbourne, 1986 (round 11)
Geelong . . 34.24 (228) vs Melbourne, 1994 (round 13)
Richmond . .34.22 (226) vs South Melbourne, 1973 (round 21)
North Melb .35.14 (224) vs Hawthorn, 1990 (round 5)
Collingwood 33.24 (222) vs St. Kilda, 1979 (round 4)
Geelong . . 33.22 (220) vs Melbourne, 1980 (round 16)


Note that later in round 4, 1979, Collingwood seniors went on to post a score of 31.21 (207) versus St.Kilda seniors.
And the Geelong seniors kicked 211 against Richmond in Rd 9, 1989!
 

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Other known Reserves scores between 200 and 219 (not a complete list)

Geelong . . 33.19 (217) vs Footscray, 1991 (round 21)
Melbourne . 32.25 (217) vs Sydney, 1992 (round 7)
Footscray . 31.30 (216) vs Hawthorn, 1948
North Melb .31.29 (215) vs Hawthorn, 1982
North Melb .32.22 (214) vs Geelong, 1992 (round 4)
Richmond . .32.19 (211) vs Fitzroy, 1966 (round 18)
North Melb .30.31 (211) vs Melbourne, 1983 (round 22)
Carlton . . 31.23 (209) vs West Melbourne, 1920 (round 15)
Hawthorn . .31.23 (209) vs Melbourne, 1982
Geelong . . 32.17 (209) vs North Melbourne, 1989 (round 19)
Geelong . . 32.16 (208) vs North Melbourne, 1933 (round 15)
Hawthorn . .31.21 (207) vs Sydney, 1987 (round 20)
North Melb .31.20 (206) vs Hawthorn, 1988 (round 5)
Geelong . . 32.14 (206) vs North Melbourne, 1992 (round 13)
South Melb .30.24 (204) vs Fitzroy, 1980
Richmond . .31.18 (204) vs North Melbourne, 1981

Footscray . 31.17 (203) vs Sydney, 1987 (round 11)
North Melb .30.23 (203) vs Geelong, 1991 (round 8)
Collingwood 31.16 (202) vs University B, 1919 (round 17)

Richmond . .28.34 (202) vs Melbourne, 1980
Geelong . . 30.21 (201) vs Essendon, 1975 (qualifying final)
Geelong . . 29.26 (200) vs Richmond, 1990 (round 18)
 

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Brisbane Bears' highest score in the Reserves was 29.19 (193) versus Richmond, round 1, 1990.
 

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  • The most goals kicked by a player in the Reserves was when St. Kilda's Bill Cubbins kicked 22 goals against West Melbourne in round 14, 1920. He kicked 12.4 out of St. Kilda's final quarter total of 12.6. A week later Carlton kicked 31.23 (209) versus West Melbourne with A. Inch kicking 16 goals.
  • Teams were held goalless on only 7 occasions in the 9620 Reserves matches played. The last such instance was by Collingwood versus North Melbourne in round 13, 1987.
  • Brian Taylor kicked 15 goals out of 22 for Richmond versus North Melbourne in 1981. He kicked 119 goals in the reserves that year.
  • A year earlier, in 1980, Mark Jackson kicked 131 goals for Richmond Reserves, the highest seasonal total of goals.
  • Having retired from senior football in 1943, Jack Titus came back for Richmond Reserves in 1947 against North Melbourne when they were short of players and kicked 12 goals.
  • One of the closest rounds in reserves football was round 8, 1995, with the average winning margin being just 9.66. St. Kilda defeated Essendon by 22 points, Collingwood defeated Fitzroy by 13, Carlton defeated Sydney by 9, Geelong defeated Richmond by 6, North Melbourne defeated Footscray by 6 and Hawthorn defeated Melbourne by 2.
  • In round 21, 1980, five of the winning teams posted scores in excess of 150: Geelong 24.26 (170), Carlton 25.17 (167), Richmond 26.10 (166), Essendon 22.23 (155), and Collingwood 22.23 (155). The victorious team who missed out was South Melbourne with a score of 17.16 (118).
  • Round 14, 1980: this was the day on which North Melbourne seniors went scoreless in the second half versus Geelong seniors and finished with a score of 4.3 (27). In the reserves, North Melbourne could only score 5.7 (37), yet emerged triumphant over Geelong reserves who scored 4.12 (36).
  • In round 12, 1988, five of the winning scores were in the 90s: Carlton 13.20 (98), Hawthorn 11.31 (97), Footscray 13.17 (95), Essendon 14.10 (94), and Melbourne 14.10 (94). The remaining winner was St. Kilda who just missed out with 13.11 (89).
 

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Some high losing Reserves scores:

Collingwood 29.8 (182) vs Hawthorn 30.17 (197), 1982
Geelong 25.21 (171) vs Brisbane Bears 28.10 (178), 1991 (round 4)
Richmond 25.12 (162) vs Fitzroy 27.19 (181), 1988 (round 22)
Geelong 24.12. (156) vs St. Kilda 24.17 (161), 1992 (round 11)
North Melbourne 21.18 (144) vs Fitzroy 24.15 (159), 1983 (round 13)
Footscray 21.15 (141) vs Essendon 24.13 (157), 1996 (round 8)
Hawthorn 21.14 (140) vs Fitzroy 22.13 (145), 1987
 

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Top 20 highest winning margins in the Reserves, as listed in "Footy Stats 2000".

Margin . Game . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Season Round
242 . . Haw 45.20 (290) vs Syd 6.12 (48) . . . . 1987 . 7
241 . . Rich 37.30 (252) vs Geel 1.5 (11) . . . 1947 .17
230 . . St.K 38.27 (255) vs West Melb 3.7 (25) .1920 .14
197 . . Carl 31.23 (209) vs West Melb 2.0 (12) .1920 .15
197 . . Geel 38.17 (245) vs Rich 7.6 (48) . . . 1989 .22
193 . . Geel 33.19 (217) vs Foots 3.6 (24) . . .1991 .21
186 . . Rich 34.22 (226) vs South Melb 6.4 (40) 1973 .21
184 . . N. Melb 30.31 (211) vs Melb 4.3 (27) . .1983 .22
184 . . Geel 34.24 (228) vs Melb 6.8 (44) . . . 1994 .13
177 . . Coll 31.16 (202) vs Uni B 4.1 (25) . . .1919 .17
176 . . Rich 32.19 (211) vs Fitz 5.5 (35) . . . 1966 .18
174 . . Coll 30.18 (198) vs St.K 3.6 (24) . . . 1919 .12
173 . . Carl 37.19 (241) vs Ess 9.14 (68) . . . 1984 . 9
169 . . Carl 36.24 (240) vs Syd 10.11 (71) . . .1987 .19
168 . . Geel 32.16 (208) vs N. Melb 6.4 (40) . .1933 .15
166 . . Coll 36.15 (231) vs Melb 9.11 (65) . . .1976 .22
165 . . Geel 27.18 (180) vs Fitz 2.3 (15) . . . 1962 .18
164 . . Coll 27.22 (184) vs West Melb 3.2 (20) .1920 .10
164 . . Rich 30.19 (199) vs Fitz 4.11 (35) . . .1936 . 8
164 . . Ess 29.17 (191) vs Coll 4.3 (27) . . . .1996 .20
 

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The highest scores each traditional club kicked in the Under 19s competition.

Carlton . . 42.30 (282) vs St. Kilda, 1982
Collingwood 47.33 (315) vs Carlton, 1991
Essendon . .44.11 (275) vs Sydney, 1985
Fitzroy . . 38.16 (244) vs St. Kilda, 1982
Footscray . 31.15 (201) vs Collingwood, 1986
Geelong . . 34.36 (240) vs St. Kilda, 1981
Hawthorn . .34.19 (223) vs Geelong, 1974
Melbourne . 35.20 (230) vs Richmond, 1986
North Melb .35.22 (232) vs Collingwood, 1985
Richmond . .32.36 (228) vs Footscray, 1982
St.Kilda . .32.18 (210) vs Fitzroy, 1987
South/Sydney 33.24 (222) vs St. Kilda, 1982
 

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In the Reserves, round 22, 1979, five of the results produced margins exceeding 100 points:

Collingwood 25.30 (180) vs Melbourne 9.9 (63)
North Melbourne 24.22 (166) vs St. Kilda 2.5 (17)
Footscray 29.7 (181) vs Hawthorn 9.10 (64)
Geelong 28.23 (191) vs Fitzroy 5.10 (40)
Carlton 24.35 (179) vs South Melbourne 3.6 (24)


Essendon was the other winner, scoring 15.7 (97) vs Richmond 10.14 (74)
 

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Back in 1982, when the first and second semis were played on the same day, the winning teams in the Under 19s both produced the same score:

1st semi: Fitzroy 23.9 (147) vs Richmond 16.8 (104)
2nd semi: Melbourne 22.15 (147) vs Geelong 11.21 (87)


Then in the Reserves first and second semis that year, which obviously would have followed the Under 19s games, a similar thing happened:

1st semi: Geelong 16.13 (109) vs St. Kilda 16.10 (106)
2nd semi: Hawthorn 16.13 (109) vs Richmond 15.10 (100)
 

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  • The Grand Final has been won from the Elimination Final in the lower grades by Fitzroy Under 19s in 1982 and by Brisbane Bears reserves in 1991.
  • Apart from holding the record for the most goals in a senior VFL/AFL match, Fred Fanning also holds the record for the most goals in any VFL/AFL Grand Final when he kicked 12 for Melbourne Reserves against Richmond Reserves in 1939.
  • The biggest percentage recorded in the Reserves was 723.8 by Collingwood versus Hawthorn after round 1, 1946, the scores being 21.26 (152) to 1.15 (21).
 

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Most successive seasons in the finals

Reserves:

Carlton (6) 1985-1990
Collingwood (11) 1958-1968
Essendon (8) 1947-1954
Fitzroy (7) 1940-1946
Footscray (5) 1986-1990
Geelong (14) 1926-1939
Hawthorn (7) 1982-1988
Melbourne (7) 1931-1937
North Melbourne (9) 1990-1998
Richmond (10) 1966-1975
St. Kilda (3) 1942-1944, 1961-1963
South/ Sydney (5) 1994-1998

Under 19s:

Carlton (7) 1946-1952
Collingwood (5) 1964-1968, 1971-1975
Essendon (6) 1986-1991
Fitzroy (5) 1979-1983
Footscray (4) 1952-1955
Geelong (6) 1977-1982
Hawthorn (3) 1972-1974
Melbourne (4) 1981-1984
North Melbourne (9) 1983-1991
Richmond (12) 1967-1978
St. Kilda (3) 1956-1958
South/ Sydney (3) 1955-1957
 

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The two highest losing scores in the Under 19s:

24.17 (161) St. Kilda vs Richmond 26.12 (168), 1987
23.14 (152) North Melbourne vs Hawthorn 27.17 (179), 1980
 

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Don't know of any website that does. I'm getting a lot of my info from old editions of Inside Football and from a Stephen Rogers book.

Here are some other scores beyond 200 from the Under 19s:

39.26 (260) Carlton vs St. Kilda, 1980
38.23 (251) Essendon vs South Melbourne, 1973
33.27 (225) Collingwood vs South Melbourne, 1965
34.20 (224) Richmond vs St. Kilda, 1987
34.19 (223) Hawthorn vs Geelong, 1974
33.19 (217) North Melbourne vs St. Kilda, 1991
32.21 (213) Richmond vs Hawthorn, 1987
31.27 (213) Collingwood vs Hawthorn, 1989
32.20 (212) Richmond vs St. Kilda, 1985
29.30 (204) Richmond vs South Melbourne, 1973
31.18 (204) Carlton vs Geelong, 1990
31.17 (203) Richmond vs St. Kilda, 1981
30.23 (203) Melbourne vs Hawthorn, 1981
30.22 (202) Sydney vs Geelong, 1991
30.21 (201) Hawthorn vs Carlton, 1991
 

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The highest winning margin in the Under 19s is 302 points, acheived by Collingwood 47.33 (315) versus Carlton 1.7 (13) in Round 21, 1991, the penultimate round of home and away Under 19s footy ever.

The previous highest winning margin had been 243 points by Essendon 38.23 (251) versus South Melbourne 1.2 (8) in 1973.
 

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An extract from Stephen Rogers' "The Complete Book of VFL Records", page 280, which states that the Reserve Grade was established to:

"...provide for senior teams to have attached to them a junior team under the same district qualifications. The junior teams, composed entirely of amateur players, were designed to act as feeders for their respective senior clubs. In the inaugural season of 1919 the clubs to participate were Carlton (District), Collingwood (District), Fitzroy (Juniors), Leopold, Richmond (Juniors), St. Kilda (District), University A and University B (with an abundance of players University were allowed two sides) and West Melbourne. Leopold were attached to South Melbourne, West Melbourne to Essendon and the University sides to Melbourne. (Geelong, with the pick of players from local clubs which were already in established competitions, did not participate yet.) Inevitably the draw deviated from the seniors' draw. In 1920 nine clubs again participated although University had only one side and Melbourne (Juniors) entered the competition. In 1921 University were replaced in the competition by Coburg (District) and West Melbourne became Essendon (Juniors). While there were still nine senior clubs in 1922 there were ten in the reserves as Geelong this year entered. This was the situation until the end of 1924 and gradually, with closer liaison between the senior clubs, the names District and Juniors were discarded. In line with the admission of Footscray, Hawthorn and North Melbourne Senior clubs for 1925 these three also fielded reserves sides, Coburg left the competition (and joined the VFA) and Leopold merged into South Melbourne."
 

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These are the leading Reserves goalkickers going as far back as I can find. Anyone else is welcome to add or correct info relating to this.


Season Player . . . . . .Club . . Goals
1951 Noel Rayson . . . . Geelong . . 73
1952 Peter Schofield . . Richmond . .64
1953 Kevin Bradley . . . Essendon . .61
1954 Don Hart . . . . . .Richmond . .48
1955 D Condon . . . . . .South Melb .43
1956 Garry Young . . . . Hawthorn . .49
1957 Garry Young . . . . Hawthorn . .53
1958 Garry Young . . . . Hawthorn . .63
1959 Keith Bromage . . . Fitzroy . . 66
1960 Ronald Critchley . .Hawthorn . .40
1961 W Arthur . . . . . .Carlton . . 46
1962 Peter Marshall . . .Collingwood 37
1963 Ian Graham . . . . .Collingwood 36
1964 Bruce Smith . . . . Richmond . .37
1965 B Greenhill . . . . Essendon . .53
1966 Peter McKenna . . . Collingwood 47
1967 Phil Smith . . . . .Geelong . . 55
1968 Geoff Blethyn . . . Essendon . .75
1969 Graeme McLean . . . St. Kilda . 57
1970 Kelvin Clarke . . . Melbourne . 50
1971 Ray Carr . . . . . .Melbourne . 75
1972 I McFarline . . . . Essendon . .62
1973 M Moore . . . . . . Essendon . .85
1974 Larry Donohue . . . Geelong . . 85
1975 Kim Smith . . . . . Melbourne . 61
1976 John Frazer . . . . North Melb .76
1977 Mark Scott . . . . .Hawthorn . .78
1978 Mark Scott . . . . .Hawthorn . .92
1979 David Twomey . . . .Collingwood 63
1980 Mark Jackson . . . .Richmond . 131
1981 Brian Taylor . . . .Richmond . 119
1982 Michael Oaten . . . Sydney . . .71
1983 Ross Brewer . . . . Richmond . .72
1984 John Bennett . . . .Footscray . 85
1985 Shane McGrath . . . Hawthorn . .68
1986 Robert Saggers . . .North Melb .68
1987 Robert Dickson . . .Hawthorn . .68
1988 Mark Scott . . . . .Fitzroy . . 69
1989 Simon Minton-Connell Carlton . .69
1990 John Ballantyne . . Footscray . 64
1991 ??
1992 John Ballantyne . . Footscray . 79
1993 ??
1994 ??
1995 ??
1996 ??
1997 ??
1998 ??
1999 ??
 
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