VFL/AFL Reserves & Under-19 Records?

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I was able to discover the basics of what happened via the VFL Records online link.
Carlton defeated Essendon in the first semi.
North defeated Melbourne in the second semi.
Carlton defeated Melbourne in the preliminary.
North defeated Carlton in the Granny.
Carlton 6.13 (49) d. Essendon 2.9 (21)
North Melbourne 13.13 (91) d. Melbourne 4.8 (32)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/178121340

From the Football Record: Third Eighteen semi-finals resulted as follows:—North Melbourne 13-13 v. Melbourne 4-8; Carlton 6-13 v. Essendon 2-9. Melbourne will meet Carlton in the preliminary final today, the winner to play off with North Melbourne for the premiership.

This one's hard to read; it probably says:
Melbourne 11.10 (76) vs. Carlton 12.21 (93)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/178121896

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The Herald (Melbourne, Vic. : 1861 - 1954) Saturday 14 September 1946 p 10 Detailed Lists, Results, Guides
... 13 93 1 LEAGUE THIRDS j PINAL Melbourne v. Carlton I FINAL ... 11 10 76 12 21 93

Football Record: The Thirds preliminary final re-sulted in a win for Carlton 12.21 to Melbourne 11-10. Carlton meets North Melbourne in the grand final this afternoon.

Carlton 5.12 (42) vs. North Melbourne 11.9 (75)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/178122393

Football Record: North Melbourne won the Third Eighteens premiership by defeating Carlton last week 11-9 to 5-12.
 
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When there was the Reserves and Under 19s, what happened if there was a draw in a final in one of these lower grade games before extra time was introduced?

Using the Final 4 as an example, say one year the Reserves Top 4 in order are Geelong, South Melbourne, Melbourne & Richmond. The Demons defeat the Tigers in the First Semi Final, eliminating Richmond from the finals. Then the next week, Geelong and South Melbourne draw the Second Semi Final requiring a replay the following Saturday which the Cats win, and the Swans play the Demons in Preliminary Final.

Would the Reserves PF be played on Grand Final Day between the Under 19's and League Grand Finals? Lets say the Swans win the Preliminary Final; would the Geelong vs. South Melbourne Reserve Grand Final then be played at a neutral venue such as Princes Park the Saturday after the main season finished?

I'm not sure if this extraordinary situation took place for real, but it would have created quite a few headaches if it had.
 

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When there was the Reserves and Under 19s, what happened if there was a draw in a final in one of these lower grade games before extra time was introduced?

Using the Final 4 as an example, say one year the Reserves Top 4 in order are Geelong, South Melbourne, Melbourne & Richmond. The Demons defeat the Tigers in the First Semi Final, eliminating Richmond from the finals. Then the next week, Geelong and South Melbourne draw the Second Semi Final requiring a replay the following Saturday which the Cats win, and the Swans play the Demons in Preliminary Final.

Would the Reserves PF be played on Grand Final Day between the Under 19's and League Grand Finals? Lets say the Swans win the Preliminary Final; would the Geelong vs. South Melbourne Reserve Grand Final then be played at a neutral venue such as Princes Park the Saturday after the main season finished?

I'm not sure if this extraordinary situation took place for real, but it would have created quite a few headaches if it had.

They used to simply replay the game, just as they did with the seniors. If we look at the 1989 season, there was a draw in the Under 19s preliminary final between Richmond and Geelong. This game was replayed on grand final day with the grand final then taking place at Waverley the following week, with no charge being asked to patrons.
 

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They used to simply replay the game, just as they did with the seniors. If we look at the 1989 season, there was a draw in the Under 19s preliminary final between Richmond and Geelong. This game was replayed on grand final day with the grand final then taking place at Waverley the following week, with no charge being asked to patrons.
Thanks Worbod, I didn't know it happened quite close to the era when extra time for drawn finals (other than the Grand Final) was introduced.
 

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In 1966, Richmond Reserves achieved a perfect season that became unrecognised.

The Tiger Reserves won all twenty games that season, including the Second Semi-Final and Grand Final, but due to the ineligibility of Frank Loughran (also incorrectly spelled “Laughlin”), who played in three of their twenty games, they were debited with three losses despite outscoring their opponents. The La Trobe Valley League, for whom Loughran played with St. Patrick’s Sale, claimed Richmond had played him without permission – permission being given by the Latrobe Valley League solely to play elder brother Peter who had previously worn the yellow and black.

Thus their record, despite defeating on points all twenty opponents they played, is listed as 17 wins and three losses to Carlton, Footscray and Collingwood.

Loughran also played for the Tigers in ten Under-19 games, and they lost points to:
  • Carlton
  • Footscray (twice)
  • Melbourne
  • Geelong
  • South Melbourne
  • Hawthorn
Had the Tigers not played Loughran, they would have become one of only three teams in any VFL/AFL grade to manage a recognised perfect season, after Geelong Reserves in 1930 and Essendon Under-19s in 1950.
 
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Most successive seasons in the finals

Reserves:

Carlton (6) 1985-1990
Collingwood (11) 1958-1968
Essendon (8) 1947-1954
Fitzroy (7) 1940-1946
Footscray (5) 1986-1990
Geelong (14) 1926-1939
Hawthorn (7) 1982-1988
Melbourne (7) 1931-1937
North Melbourne (9) 1990-1998
Richmond (10) 1966-1975
St. Kilda (3) 1942-1944, 1961-1963
South/Sydney (5) 1994-1998

Under 19s:

Carlton (7) 1946-1952
Collingwood (5) 1964-1968, 1971-1975
Essendon (6) 1986-1991
Fitzroy (5) 1979-1983
Footscray (4) 1952-1955
Geelong (6) 1977-1982
Hawthorn (3) 1972-1974
Melbourne (4) 1981-1984
North Melbourne (9) 1983-1991
Richmond (12) 1967-1978
St. Kilda (3) 1956-1958
South/Sydney (3) 1955-1957
That Carlton Reserves figure should actually be 7 seasons, 1984-1990.

Most successive seasons out of the finals:

Reserves:

Carlton (14) 1955-1968
Collingwood (7) 1969-1975
Essendon (7) 1933-1939
Fitzroy (10) 1947-1956
Footscray (9) 1925-1933
Geelong (8) 1952-1959
Hawthorn (31) 1925-1955
Melbourne (12) 1957-1968
North Melbourne (22) 1925-1946
Richmond (10) 1983-1992
St. Kilda (15) 1967-1981
South/Sydney (13) 1930-1942, 1967-1979

Under-19s:

Carlton (12) 1966-1977
Collingwood (4) 1979-1982, 1987-1990
Essendon (5) 1981-1985
Fitzroy (8) 1947-1954
Footscray (6) 1956-1961
Geelong (6) 1964-1969, 1971-1976
Hawthorn (23) 1946-1968
Melbourne (6) 1965-1970
North Melbourne (12) 1952-1963
Richmond (6) 1952-1957
St. Kilda (10) 1946-1955
South/Sydney (13) 1967-1979
 

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Years during the Under-19 competition when no team from each club was seen during the finals:
  • Sydney/South Melbourne (32): 1946, 1947, 1948, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1978, 1979, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991
  • St. Kilda (26): 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1964, 1967, 1969, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990
  • Fitzroy (19): 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1953, 1954, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1976, 1987, 1988, 1991
  • Footscray (19): 1947, 1949, 1950, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1963, 1966, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1975, 1978, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1991
  • Hawthorn (17): 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1979, 1980
  • North Melbourne (13): 1948, 1952, 1955, 1956, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1971, 1973
  • Melbourne (10): 1951, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1973, 1974, 1976, 1978, 1980
  • Richmond (10): 1950, 1957, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1965, 1979, 1986, 1988, 1990
  • Geelong (9) 1946, 1947, 1957, 1958, 1971, 1972, 1983, 1984, 1990
  • Carlton (8): 1955, 1956, 1960, 1961, 1964, 1966, 1977, 1991
  • Collingwood (4): 1954, 1982, 1985, 1987
  • Essendon (4): 1956, 1967, 1977, 1978
Longest runs of a club having no grade in the finals:

Years | Club | Span
\10| Hawthorn |1946 to 1955
\10|St. Kilda|1946 to 1955
\6| South Melbourne |1971 to 1976
\6|St. Kilda|1976 to 1981
\5| Fitzroy |1962 to 1966
\4| South Melbourne |1951 to 1954
\4| North Melbourne |1959 to 1962
\4| Footscray |1969 to 1972
\4| South Melbourne |1962 to 1965
\4| Hawthorn |1964 to 1967
\4| Melbourne |1965 to 1968
\4| Fitzroy |1970 to 1973
\4| Sydney |1982 to 1985
\4| Fitzroy |1948 to 1951
\4| Sydney |1988 to 1991
 

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If anyone has them, can someone please PM me the full complement of triple digit wins with 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and Full Time scores?

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Small one for you - on your australianfootball site in the 1981 Reserves comp, Round 14 Hawthorn v Essendon venue is listed as TBA. It was played at Glenferrie Oval, per the teams announcement in the Age on Fri 26-Jun 1981. Under Hawthorn - "Players to be at Glenferrie Oval 10am." Essendon players had to be there at 9:45. Maybe that was the difference in the end result!

https://www.newspapers.com/image/121357449
 

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Small one for you - on your australianfootball site in the 1981 Reserves comp, Round 14 Hawthorn v Essendon venue is listed as TBA. It was played at Glenferrie Oval, per the teams announcement in the Age on Fri 26-Jun 1981. Under Hawthorn - "Players to be at Glenferrie Oval 10am." Essendon players had to be there at 9:45. Maybe that was the difference in the end result!

https://www.newspapers.com/image/121357449
Cheers, updated the game tonight...

https://australianfootball.com/game/view/87594
 
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