VFL flags don't count.

[Monkey King]

Surely because the VFL is the AFL and all records count etc etc, only a factor system can be fair when comparing older clubs (VFL) to more recent clubs post VFL.

It isnt fair to compare a team like Port to Essendon when the Dons have 16 flags and Port have only been in the comp for 13 years is it....

And it seems to be this 'what about me, it isn't fair' feeling that drives most into making these funny little claims. Even more so with Port supporters, who have gone from having bragging rights in the comp they migrated from, to now having among the fewest flags in the comp they migrated to. I can see why they've adopted this 'state-league victim' stance, irrespective of how meaningless it is.

If for the sake of fairness in making club comparisons, you want to view AFL records in a years p/flag format, that seems logical and reasonable enough to me. Certainly it is an infinitely more sensible approach to that of re-writing history and making up fantasy premiership tables.

 

[Schmucta]

What happens with the two SANFL Premierships won by the Magpies after the Power was created? I mean if it's a shared history and all that, why aren't these included somewhere lol, they were won in the SANFL so if the previous 34 are countable, why not these ones??

Could be a smart move by Port Adelaide overall, they could conceivably win two premierships every year if they try really hard, oh hang on, maybe they won't with the Magpies to meet their demise at the end of this year.

It could have worked too.

 

[D_One]

What happens with the two SANFL Premierships won by the Magpies after the Power was created? I mean if it's a shared history and all that, why aren't these included somewhere lol, they were won in the SANFL so if the previous 34 are countable, why not these ones??

Could be a smart move by Port Adelaide overall, they could conceivably win two premierships every year if they try really hard, oh hang on, maybe they won't with the Magpies to meet their demise at the end of this year.

It could have worked too.

Where you this confused when Essendon had a team in the VFA and the VFL? I guess when the VFA team died all the confusion went away?

C'mon the "Same Olds".

 

[Schmucta]

Where you this confused when Essendon had a team in the VFA and the VFL? I guess when the VFA team died all the confusion went away?

C'mon the "Same Olds".

DO you see me trying to add 4 VFA flags to the 16 Premierships won in the Premier comp by Essendon?

Come back when you do, F_Log

 

[D_One]

DO you see me trying to add 4 VFA flags to the 16 Premierships won in the Premier comp by Essendon?

Come back when you do, F_Log

Your club does. It's part of your history and its on your club's official website.

http://www.essendonfc.com.au/history/history.asp

1891 Essendon wins first of four consecutive VFA premierships.

 

[PortBrillance]

Sure you have. Port Adelaide Power did not exist in any competition in Australia prior to 1997. How about the rest of those points though... I suppose it's better you just ignore the lot hey?

PAMFC were never formed in 1870, nor did they win 34 SANFL flags. Only saw Port Adelaide Football Club engraved on all them trophies. Your an idiot so get ****ed

 

[TheGoatBaron]

PAMFC were never formed in 1870, nor did they win 34 SANFL flags. Only saw Port Adelaide Football Club engraved on all them trophies. Your an idiot so get ****ed

He wasn't talking about the Port Adelaide Magpies, he was talking about the Port Adelaide Power. They never existed prior to 1997, you and ever Power support know this, but try and sugar coat it.

 

[PortBrillance]

Port Adelaide Magpies FC didn't exist until 97. So what's ur point?

Port Adelaide Power is 140 years old. Get it throught your head. We have had plenty of nicknames and colours. We were know as the magpies and wore black and white for the first time In 1903. Does that mean we were formed then? Idiots these days honestly

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Idiots these days honestly

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Franc de Borges]

No flags really count anymore, the only one that currently matters is the one that's up for grabs in 2010.

Whatever value, or lack thereof, that anyone wishes to give to their or any other clubs achievements is totally subjective, and frankly it's boring the shit out of me.

Please, end thread.

 

[Tiger2709]

D One taking your idea re best comp in each state one step further, we can safely assume that the VFA in it's heyday and the VFL prior to the rename to the AFL and now the AFL itself were and are the best comps in Australia and therefore the flags one by the members of those competitions are the only flags that really count.

To be honest I think Franc de Borges has hit the nail on the head "No flags really count anymore, the only one that currently matters is the one that's up for grabs in 2010."

 

[Monkey King]

PAMFC were never formed in 1870, nor did they win 34 SANFL flags. Only saw Port Adelaide Football Club engraved on all them trophies. Your an idiot so get ****ed

*MK chuckles*

Perhaps you'll find the official version of particular interest...

About PAMFC

"Since playing its first game in 1870, the club has gone on to win an Australian record of 36 SANFL premierships including six in a row and achieve the honour of being Champions of Australia on four occasions.

In 1997 the Port Adelaide Football Club Ltd (Power) joined the AFL with the Magpies continuing in the SANFL as the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club Inc. with both Clubs sharing the history from 1870 to 1996."

Port Adelaide Power undoubtedly didn't play in any competition in Australia prior to 1997; and according to official records the PAMFC played it's first game in 1870. Your club is vastly more dual in nature than the AFL... there are two of you claiming the same premierships FFS.

Honestly, I don't know how you guys keep a straight face when trying to pull this AFL is brand new crap while maintaining you are the one and only Port Adelaide Football Club; it's comedy.

 

[BACCS]

All Victorian supporting flogs can bang on about their ancient Premierships all they like, just don't expect WC, Adelaide, Brisbane, Sydney, Port, Freo and from 2012 GC or GWS to give a damn. To me, I count flags from 1987 onwards as that is when the competition extended out from the Eastern States. Most people in this thread wouldn't have seen their clubs ancient flag from the 50's or 40's or whatever, so why do you care? Flags got a lot harder to win once the competition became national, and don't try for a minute to say a flag won in the Stone Age is anywhere near equivalent to a flag won in the modern AFL, or I might have to reccomend a new patient to Glennside.

 

[Brilliant]

If flags were so easy to win back then why don't St Kilda and Footscray have more than 1 each?

The VFL was the premier competition and as such it would have been just as hard as it is today to win the flag.

 

[BACCS]

If flags were so easy to win back then why don't St Kilda and Footscray have more than 1 each?

The VFL was the premier competition and as such it would have been just as hard as it is today to win the flag.

Because back then there was no salary cap, and the wealthier clubs such as Carlton, Essendon etc made the most of it by poaching the star players for the poorer teams. This is why I am suprised Collingwood don't have the most flags, have always been a wealthy club but just always never seem to take that one last step in September. And you consider flags where teams could win from last due to a different system equivalent to now? Give me a break.

 

[Monkey King]

All Victorian supporting flogs can bang on about their ancient Premierships all they like, just don't expect WC, Adelaide, Brisbane, Sydney, Port, Freo and from 2012 GC or GWS to give a damn.

Most people in this thread wouldn't have seen their clubs ancient flag from the 50's or 40's or whatever, so why do you care?

I've seen plenty of flags. Carlton have won 8 flags since the 60's.

Singapore was bombed in the 1940's; whether you give a damn or not, it doesn't stop the fact it happened and that it was a significant event to many people. Honestly, with such contempt for our competition, you've got to question why you guys scrambled for the chance to join it in the first place

don't try for a minute to say a flag won in the Stone Age is anywhere near equivalent to a flag won in the modern AFL

Same shit that blokes were saying in the 80's about the 50's; same shit people will be saying about your 90's flags in 20 years. Regardless of the protests of the youth of the day, the ledger will nonetheless record those flags against your clubs name.

 

[PortBrillance]

Port Adelaide Power undoubtedly didn't play in any competition in Australia prior to 1997; and according to official records the PAMFC played it's first game in 1870. Your club is vastly more dual in nature than the AFL... there are two of you claiming the same premierships FFS.

hang on hang on, where does it say that the PAMFC played it's first game in 1870? It says the PAFC played not the PAMFC.

Epic fail on your behalf

 

[CrowdedHouse]

This is not true. The VFL continues on as a suburban competition, the AFL is a complete new entity by virtue of a legal agreement.

You just insulted every VFA supporter.

The current VFL has NOTHING to do with the old VFL - it's the VFA re-named.

The AFL is the old VFL, re-badge.


If you were to legally change your name, it doesn't make you a totally different person with no history... everything you did still counts.

 

[Impunity!]

If you were to legally change your name, it doesn't make you a totally different person with no history... everything you did still counts.

Untrue - when Ben Cousins was reborn as a Richmond player all his sins were expunged from the official record, according to Victorians.

 

[Monkey King]

hang on hang on, where does it say that the PAMFC played it's first game in 1870? It says the PAFC played not the PAMFC.

Epic fail on your behalf

Ummm... it's the official PAMFC website and the info quoted came from under the tab "ABOUT PAMFC"

Clearly it says the club played it's first game in 1870 and has won a record 36 SANFL flags (34 of them being the very same flags that your club lays claim to).

You can cry into your alphabet soup and yell 'fail' all you like fella... dems da facts.

 

[Bayer_]

Yep, flags only count since Port joined the AFL. VFL and SANFL completely irrelevant.

 

[D_One]

If you were to legally change your name, it doesn't make you a totally different person with no history... everything you did still counts.

Unless you change your name from the Port Adelaide Football Club to the Port Adelaide Football Club, like we did from 1996 to 1997.

BTW for those who aren't aware here is the complete list of all senior premierships won by all the AFL clubs.

Port Adelaide - Total 35 - 5 SAFA, 4 SAFL, 25 SANFL, 1 AFL
Essendon - Total 20 - 4 VFA, 14 VFL, 2 AFL
Carlton - Total 18 - 2 VFA, 15 VFL, 1 AFL
Collingwood - Total 15 - 1 VFA, 13 VFL, 1 AFL
Geelong - Total 15 - 7 VFA, 6 VFL, 2 AFL
Melbourne - Total 12 - 12 VFL
Richmond - Total 12 - 2 VFA, 10 VFL
Nth Melb - Total 10 - 6 VFA, 2 VFL, 2 AFL
Hawthorn - Total 10 - 8 VFL, 2 AFL
Ftscry/Wstn Bdogs - Total 10 - 9 VFA, 1 VFL
Sydney/Sth Melb - Total 9 - 5 VFA, 3 VFL, 1 AFL
West Coast - Total 3 - 3 AFL
Brisbane Lions - Total 3 - 3 AFL
Adelaide - Total 2 - 2 AFL
St Kilda - Total 1 - 1 VFL
Fremantle - Total 0 - 0 AFL


I hope that clears it up.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Unless you change your name from the Port Adelaide Football Club to the Port Adelaide Football Club, like we did from 1996 to 1997.

BTW for those who aren't aware here is the complete list of all senior premierships won by all the AFL clubs.

Port Adelaide - Total 35 - 5 SAFA, 4 SAFL, 25 SANFL, 1 AFL
Essendon - Total 20 - 4 VFA, 14 VFL, 2 AFL
Carlton - Total 18 - 2 VFA, 15 VFL, 1 AFL
Collingwood - Total 15 - 1 VFA, 13 VFL, 1 AFL
Geelong - Total 15 - 7 VFA, 6 VFL, 2 AFL
Melbourne - Total 12 - 12 VFL
Richmond - Total 12 - 2 VFA, 10 VFL
Nth Melb - Total 10 - 6 VFA, 2 VFL, 2 AFL
Hawthorn - Total 10 - 8 VFL, 2 AFL
Ftscry/Wstn Bdogs - Total 10 - 9 VFA, 1 VFL
Sydney/Sth Melb - Total 9 - 5 VFA, 3 VFL, 1 AFL
West Coast - Total 3 - 3 AFL
Brisbane Lions - Total 3 - 3 AFL
Adelaide - Total 2 - 2 AFL
St Kilda - Total 1 - 1 VFL
Fremantle - Total 0 - 0 AFL


I hope that clears it up.

No it doesn't. Nice try though.

 

[Bayer_]

Pffft, give it up, D.

We let you join our competition, and all our flags, in the competition you joined, count. Your 14 million little league SANFL flags don't count for shit.

 

[PortBrillance]

Ummm... it's the official PAMFC website and the info quoted came from under the tab "ABOUT PAMFC"

Clearly it says the club played it's first game in 1870 and has won a record 36 SANFL flags (34 of them being the very same flags that your club lays claim to).

You can cry into your alphabet soup and yell 'fail' all you like fella... dems da facts.

it says "The Port Adelaide Football Club is arguably the most successful senior football club, not only in South Australia but Australia-wide."

that's what it says, once again you fail miserably