VFL flags don't count.

[Military_man]

The interstate clubs joined the VFL. There for all the flags from the past count. If it was a whole new competition then they would have changed all the names of the current Victorian clubs or even started a new competition where you might have 2 sides from each state competing however they didn't. I think Freo supporters would like the AFL to wipe all the flags prior to the interstate clubs joining so Freo won't be the only side yet to win a flag.

 

[BlueDave]

Actually, its a pretty simple answer...the AFL is an expansion of the old VFL with interstate teams allowed to enter the competition - hence the name changed, but its not a newly created league so the history and tradition remains.

The old VFL (now AFL) should not be confussed with the current VFL as this is/was an independant league, which until a few years ago was known as the VFA - pretty simple I would have thought...

 

[Monkey King]

150 year birthday. Don't cut short the history of the game.

With the national competition, salary cap and draft all beginning at the same point...

I got two words for you... Sydney Swans

 

[HELLA BONG RIPS]

Bragging about AFL premierships is like getting your mate to hold a guy back while you beat the shit out him... and then claiming to be a good fighter.

surely you can't serious

 

[Monkey King]

surely you can't serious

Yes I am... and stop calling me Shirley

 

[thecoastingcoaster]

Oh and you were going so well up until this point.

West Coast and Brisbane joined in 1987 - 3 years BEFORE the 'AFL' started.

So, which is it, '87 or 1990?

There is no difference between the comp in 1987 compared to 1990, the name change should have happened in 87 and for all intents and purposes that's when the AFL really started.

My argument is valid either way.

 

[clivewaterhousen]

Clubs that drafted Clive Waterhouse don't count.

I agree, we had an unfair advantage with Clive and associate it with the downfall of Carlton, but to say we dont count is a bit harsh

you expected the facts in response to a ridicolous thread? wow

the facts are that even if we do count your "premiership", Freo still have 56 years before they produce as much fail as the Demons.

 

[The Donners]

Good thread, 100% agree as it's only fair. This is not the VFL but the AFL. Brisbane/West Coast on top bitches!

A greater salary cap than all other clubs (with the exception of Sydney) was fair?

 

[The Donners]

Fremantle have handy WAFL players on muddy suburban grounds but would struggle getting a game in the AFL.

efa

 

[The Donners]

There is no difference between the comp in 1987 compared to 1990, the name change should have happened in 87 and for all intents and purposes that's when the AFL really started.

My argument is valid either way.

You're an expansion team, a business decision made by the then VFL.

 

[Jimmyeow]

Because it's ridiculous to discount a flag from Hawthorn in 1989 but include one the very next year with the very same teams. Also Fremantle are not one flag away from being equal to most teams in the AFL. If you want to use 1990 as a cutoff the Dockers are the worst team still currently in the AFL. These are the teams winning ratio since the induction of the AFL.

1st- Geelong (60% winning ratio)
2nd- West Coast (57%)
3rd- Essendon (57%)
4th- Brisbane Lions (57%)
5th- North Melbourne (55%)
6th- Port Adelaide (55%)
7th- Adelaide (53%)
8th- Western Bulldogs (51%)
9th- Hawthorn (50%)
10th- Saint Kilda (50%)
11th- Collingwood (50%)
12th- Carlton (48%)
13th- Sydney (47%)
14th- Melbourne (44%)
15th- Richmond (41%)
16th- Fremantle (39%)
17th- Brisbane Bears (33%)
18th- Fitzroy (25%)

 

[clivewaterhousen]

by that logic Geelong would have the most flags?

try again

 

[WCErevival]

Would look like this with premierships and GF apearances.

west coast 3 5
brisbane 3 4
geelong 2 6
essendon 2 4
north 2 3
adelaide 2 2
hawks 2 2
collingwood 1 3
carlton 1 3
sydney 1 3
port 1 2
st kilda 0 2
melbourne 0 1
freo 0 0
bulldogs 0 0
richmond 0 0

 

[sherb]

VFL flags count in the official AFL records, that's all that matters really.

If people want to get their noses put out of joint by that, that's their business.

 

[Jimmyeow]

by that logic Geelong would have the most flags?

try again

Winning ratio doesn't produce flags.

 

[Dramoth]

This is not true. The VFL continues on as a suburban competition, the AFL is a complete new entity by virtue of a legal agreement. All pre-AFL flags are defunct.

Don't blame me, I'm just the messenger. As I am for all intents and purposes relaying Clive's message, I am a messenger of god.

Yay verily, Clive spaketh unto me and he did utter "Not only can I bombeth them from 60m out, but I too am from South Australia and calleth it like it is".

Sorry mate... check the history of the competition... the VFL used to be called the Victorian Football Association (VFA).

When the AFL was born out of the old AFL, the name was handed over to the VFA to use.

All the AFL really is, is the Victorian clubs with Sydney (they used to be called South Melbourne) with a few addition sad sisters from other states to give some sort of notion to a national game of Australian Rules Football.

Also, Australian Rules is actually a misnomer. It used to be called The Melbourne Football Club Rules when it first started back in 1859.

So, there is no amount of jealous talk that convince anyone else that the pre-AFL premierships dont count.

 

[thecoastingcoaster]

You're an expansion team, a business decision made by the then VFL.

The VFL became national by virtue of having a West Australian and Brisbane club in the comp, hence why it was officially changed to the AFL three years later.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

The AFL began in 1897

The VFL began in 1897, the AFL started in 1990.

 

[Dramoth]

Yawn. All flags from 1990 onwards (the AFL no shit???) are counted. Idiot.

Sheesh...

trying to argue a point and you dont even know when the 'AFL' was born out of the VFL...

The Australian Football League

If you check out the column on the right, it gives the inaugural season... 1897

Sorry... idiot...

 

[The Donners]

The VFL became national by virtue of having a West Australian and Brisbane club in the comp, hence why it was officially changed to the AFL three years later.

Sydney was in the competition 5 years earlier than both the Bears and the Eagles. Whether the VFL became national or not is completely irrelevant. The records since 1897 stand.

 

[The Donners]

The VFL began in 1897, the AFL started in 1990.

The AFL began in 1897, its name changed from the VFL in 1990.

 

[thecoastingcoaster]

Sydney was in the competition 5 years earlier than both the Bears and the Eagles. Whether the VFL became national or not is completely irrelevant. The records since 1897 stand.

Premierships pre-1987 count officially, however like I've said they were won in a suburban comp thus they lack the same relevance as AFL premierships.

Essendon have two AFL flags, West Coast three.

 

[Jimmyeow]

Flags pre-1987 count officially, however like I've said they were won in a suburban comp thus they lack the same relevance as AFL premierships.

So Essendon have two AFL flags, West Coast three.

So Hawthorns dominant team of the 80's was irrelevant until 1987?

 

[TheGoatBaron]

The AFL began in 1897, its name changed from the VFL in 1990.

The VFL began in 1897 from a breakaway of the VFA, then changed it's name in 1990.

 

[thecoastingcoaster]

So Hawthorns dominant team of the 80's was irrelevant until 1987?

Never said flags pre-1987 were irrelevant.

The relevance of premierships won in the 80's was far higher than premirship's won around the time period of the Wright Brothers first flight.

AFL flags just have more significance that's all.