VFL flags don't count.

[PortBrillance]

The SANFL Commission has ratified last night's decision by the clubs and have rejected Port Adelaide's merger proposal with the Power.
http://www.fiveaa.com.au/Article_Port-Adelaide-Merger-rejected-by-SANFL-delegates_97667

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...and-power-merger/story-e6frf9io-1225828664811

I'm sure you can understand how one would draw a conclusion that the two are separate identities when the SANFL has rejected a merger, thus apparently killing off the Magpies, (which is a travesty).

Or are there some serious factual errors in the articles?

everythings right. Both clubs are separate. The AFL club was formed in 1870 and the PAMFC were formed in 1996. We aren't one club, original club is now in the AFL

 

[The Donners]

"We"???? You're not a paddy...??

My allegience is to the AFL, i.e. TD/AFL = we

 

[Kipz]

Lets wipe the AFL/VFL/WHATEVERFL history away so these interstate flogs can feel better about themselves.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

2? Yeah fine with me as well

Pretty sure some Port poster on here has a signature of PAFC 36 AFL flags, or something like that? Might be wrong

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

So you'll be fine wiping your own slate back to zero when Gold Coast come in next year?

NO.... I just wont be bragging to the Gold Coast that Adelaide have 2 flags and they have zero because its just stupid to brag about something to someone who had no chance of changing because they didnt exist yet. As of next year, when talking flags with a GC supporter, the only years relevant are the ones both teams competed in

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

That's true. The Bulldogs didn't win their first flag for 29 years, The Hawks for 36 years (but you'd have to follow up your first with another 9 in pretty quick time to match Hawthorn...), and the Saints for 59 years, so I guess that means you guys are still right in the hunt for "not the shittest" honours...

What is with you people trying to compare things that arent like for like... You cant compare a clubs 110 years existence, 15 flags, in a comp with around 10 teams (1 in 10 chance of a flag) to anothers 12 year existence with 0 flags in a comp with 16 teams (1 in 16 flag chance)

You cant compare the last 98 years because 1 of the teams didnt exist. So only the last 12 years when both the teams existed is relevant.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

More changes to the league in the past 30 years than in the previous 84. Hawthorn is already looking at NZ and Essendon has previously invested time and money in South Africa. We already have an AFL International Cup. Are you really that sure of yourself Flogstradamus?

There probably will be an International Aussie Rules comp in the next 100 years. But I would say that there will be an Australian team competeing amongst other countries and AFL still existing as the Aussie league. Not a bunch of other countries entering the AFL making it a new league.

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Just because of some rule changes, and a name change doesnt warrant that VFL flags dont count. That is like saying, when Gold Coast and GWS come into the comp it's all square again, and all clubs should go on a 0 flag count. To make it even for the interstate sooks, it should be done (flags/years in league).

VFL flags still count. They count in banter between VIC clubs. But you would be a fool to tell a GC fan that your flag count is superior to theres.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

But Freo, West Coast, Adelaide and the AFL Port version, didn't compete in the WAFL or the SANFL? How can it therefore be relevant?

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

I'm proud of the PAFC's 35 flags, Essendon should be proud of their 16 flags. ect ect

you can't take away any clubs history or else you'll just become a corporation like the crows. And we wouldn't want that

You can be proud. Talk up your 1 AFL flag in here, and go to an SANFL board to talk about the other 34, because no one here cares

 

[Pilchard_Adams]

Clearly, when in that post did I say we should include it in the VFL/AFL premiership tally? To the PAFC and it's supporters it means the world

two choices in SA, you go for a real club with proud history or you go for a fake and made up club which formed in 1990

When you decided to claim Port are the most successful team in Australia in your sig. Port only competed against SA clubs in the SANFL. If these flags were won vs state teams across Australia then yes, Port beat Australian teams and therefore is the most successful team in Australia. Port were the most successful team in the SANFL. Yes, Port may have the most flags in total, but they are won in a state comp vs state teams.

 

[spEKTre]

But Freo, West Coast, Adelaide and the AFL Port version, didn't compete in the WAFL or the SANFL? How can it therefore be relevant?

I will spell out how it works ok, Victorian teams can claim their VFL flags as exactly that. When it comes to AFL flags only someone stupid would try and slip in a VFL flag under an AFL league.

For the layman below is the official tally.
1990Collingwood1991Hawthorn1992West Coast 1993Essendon1994West Coast1995Carlton 1996North Melb1997Adelaide1998Adelaide 1999Kangaroos2000Essendon2001Bris Lions 2002Bris Lions2003Bris Lions2004Port Adelaide 2005Sydney2006West Coast2007Geelong 2008Hawthorn2009GEELONG2010?

 

[Riggy1]

Eventually (from about 2030 onwards) the AFL will change things to how the NFL is

will recognise the titles won since their inception
but anything in the modern era will be worth more than that before it

AFL - 1990-present > 1897-1989
NFL - late 1960s-present > 20s-60s

 

[Rik E Boy]

of course VFL flags dont count

Geelong are a tad better than North Ballarat (or was NB the runner ups )

And a lot better than the Crows.

http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/alltime.php?t2=&yrfm=1991&yrto=2009&gnd=0&inat=4&gms=0

regards,

REB

 

[The Kipster]

Eventually (from about 2030 onwards) the AFL will change things to how the NFL is

will recognise the titles won since their inception
but anything in the modern era will be worth more than that before it

AFL - 1990-present > 1897-1989
NFL - late 1960s-present > 20s-60s

Yep, I agree.....whilst I am a mad keen Hawker, I think AFL flags are very important and should be the official recognised, where as the flags prior have significant historical importance only...

 

[Riggy1]

And a lot better than the Crows.

http://afl.allthestats.com/statistics/alltime.php?t2=&yrfm=1991&yrto=2009&gnd=0&inat=4&gms=0

regards,

REB

At least we don't choke on the big stage

regards,
Riggy

 

[The Kipster]

regards,

REB

I see you have brought back your SPUD signature at the end of your posts again will you ever learn?

regards,

KIP

 

[wambat]

VFL Flags are for the irrelvant VIC teams who have been a disgrace in the AFL.

 

[Rik E Boy]

I see you have brought back your SPUD signature at the end of your posts again will you ever learn?

regards,

KIP

When will you ever learn? I told you once before that my sig act as a ******* detector and you have thus been identified. Infallible!

regards,

REB

 

[Rik E Boy]

At least we don't choke on the big stage

regards,
Riggy

Good old Collingwood forever...................

 

[Tiger2709]

Completely irrelevant that suburban grounds were used in that time period, as the comp was national ever since West Coast and Brisbane joined. Surely it isn't that hard to understand?

Simpleton.

The Swans moved to Sydney in 1982 while it was the VFL, thus making it a national competition well before your contrived mob joined up, this is not a new competition they just changed the name from VFL to AFL, the West Coast and Brisbane paid a licence to join the existing competition no existing club was required to pay this fee, as they were already in the competition.

Surely it isn't to hard to understand?

 

[Jimmyeow]

Eventually (from about 2030 onwards) the AFL will change things to how the NFL is

will recognise the titles won since their inception
but anything in the modern era will be worth more than that before it

AFL - 1990-present > 1897-1989
NFL - late 1960s-present > 20s-60s

That's stupid, how is Hawthorn's premiership from 1989 worth any less than Collingwood's in 1990?

 

[clogwearer]

Pretty sure some Port poster on here has a signature of PAFC 36 AFL flags, or something like that? Might be wrong

You might be confusing it with the Port Adelaide Magpies official website.

There probably will be an International Aussie Rules comp in the next 100 years. But I would say that there will be an Australian team competeing amongst other countries and AFL still existing as the Aussie league. Not a bunch of other countries entering the AFL making it a new league.

I would say let's wait and see what happens.

I ought to quit smoking though, if I want to be around for the outcome.

 

[Brilliant]

Vlad counts them while he swims in his cash. You ungrateful interstate pricks can get ****ed. I'm sure if Collingwood, Essendon etc joined an interstate hick league all previous winners would still count their flags. You joined our hick league, deal with it, it was here before you and so were some records.

 

[DockersMad]

This thread should be re-titled VFL flogs don't count.