Autopsy VFL - Roast, Toast and Discussion (North Melbourne next week)

[TigerImposter]

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From the web link he actually looked a lot more agile than I was lead to believe.
I want to see him in real life to see whether it’s a footy brain that’s fast or slow to react or a physical thing which he will get better over time with strengthening and conditioning. Deficiencies in these areas will always make a player look a lot slower. I’m going to put my neck on the line and

While I agree we need more developing genuine mids, the reason we lost the grand final was we left out Wood, Silvestro and Aarts and went in top-heavy with Maric, Hampson, Griffiths, Chol, Moore, Beasley and Garthwaite. We played Maric because it was his last game, and Hammer in case Nank got hit by a bus. Pick the three runners I mentioned and we win that game no doubt.


Lloyd will be, might be a premiership player.


Markov played well against Casey he week before as well. He's not as good as Menadue though.


CJ is not the freak athlete that Balta and Miller are, but he moves very well for a 200cm 18-year-old. I like him a lot. Bucket hands.


Naish will make it, but he is a way off. Very classy but tank is nowhere near it yet.

Yes the VFL GF was a horribly unbalanced side in terms of top heaviness and we would have won if one of Hammer or Maric hadn’t played. I still think we are relying on top up midfielders at this level and need to look at improving in this area. We seem to have done nothing about it as it’s Miles Lloyd then the top ups . Injuries to two of our boys didn’t help for us to run out the game.

 

[richoatthedisco]

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Yes the VFL GF was a horribly unbalanced side in terms of top heaviness and we would have won if one of Hammer or Maric hadn’t played. I still think we are relying on top up midfielders at this level and need to look at improving in this area. We seem to have done nothing about it as it’s Miles Lloyd then the top ups . Injuries to two of our boys didn’t help for us to run out the game.

Corey's lack of progress hurts, but we haven't drafted many pure mids in recent years. I don't think Higgins is one. Drummond might be, but isn't going to be a top-liner even if he makes it. Loading up on small forwards in the past four drafts can't be argued against, and I would say neither can taking the talls we have the past 2-3 years. I am very bullish about CJ, Balta and Miller (outstanding pick at 63) and have a lot of time for Moore, Chol and Garth as well.

We all love Higgins, but if we'd drafted Tim Kelly instead...

 

[db26]

Corey's lack of progress hurts. But we haven't drafted many pure mids. I don't think Higgins is one. Drummond might be, but isn't going to be a top-liner even if he makes it. Loading up on small forwards in the past four drafts can't be argued against, and I would say neither can taking the talls we have the past two years. We all love Higgins, but if we'd drafted Tim Kelly instead...

Believe Highins will eventually play in the guts and spells up forward there just giving him a taste and easing him.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Believe Highins will eventually play in the guts and spells up forward there just giving him a taste and easing him.

No doubt he'll play some midfield time, I just don't see him as a pure mid. He's not big enough to dominate inside and his kicking lacks the penetration to excel outside. His running shortcomings will hold him back from being a full-timer as well.

 

[db26]

No doubt he'll play some midfield time, I just don't see him as a pure mid. He's not big enough to dominate inside and his kicking lacks the penetration to excel outside. His running shortcomings will hold him back from being a full-timer as well.

Needs time to develop will be interesting come 2 or 3 seasons were he plays.I think his size is not a issue needs to built a tank and agility.

 

[TigerImposter]

Corey's lack of progress hurts, but we haven't drafted many pure mids in recent years. I don't think Higgins is one. Drummond might be, but isn't going to be a top-liner even if he makes it. Loading up on small forwards in the past four drafts can't be argued against, and I would say neither can taking the talls we have the past 2-3 years. I am very bullish about CJ, Balta and Miller (outstanding pick at 63) and have a lot of time for Moore, Chol and Garth as well.

We all love Higgins, but if we'd drafted Tim Kelly instead...

I’m not giving up on Higgins playing midfield as he’s young and has a lot of professionalism about him. He takes his footy serious to have given up an education for it. I’m not sure I’d be impressed if it was one of my lads.
He’s going to have to make a career out of footy for a while so the carrot will be dangling. Yes I’m happy with all of those names you mentioned and I’m glad you’ve given me some feedback on CCJ. His first VFL game he really had those buckets working.

 

[TigerImposter]

Believe Highins will eventually play in the guts and spells up forward there just giving him a taste and easing him.

I have this vision also.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Anthony Miles just another ordinary game lmfao. The bloke is carrying the midfield on his back. He aint nothing flash but he sure as hell is good at his job.

Too good at VFL level, who would take out of the AFL team for him?

 

[_RT_]

For those not adverse to reading the club PR propaganda

Anthony Miles

29 disposals, one goal, seven clearances and nine inside-50s

“Anthony Miles was a clearance king and worked really hard. Not as many tackles for him, but still had seven clearances.”

Corey Ellis

25 disposals, four tackles, eight handball receives and four inside-50s

“Corey played off half-back and played a really good role down there. He gave balance to the half-backs. His critical contest work was outstanding. He won the ball in tight and fed it off to the runners.”

Liam Baker

24 disposals, six handball receives, four clearances and four tackles

“Baker’s work rate was a feature. He worked up and down the ground, and won plenty of the ball, he was hard for them (Footscray) to match-up on.”

Connor Menadue

22 disposals, 11 handball receives, six inside-50s and five marks

“Connor’s run off half-back was a feature. He broke the lines and sent the ball forward, which has been a stand-out in his game over the last few weeks.”

Callum Moore

17 disposals, five marks and five inside-50s

“Callum probably didn’t quite have the impact that he wanted aerially, but he was still dangerous around the ball and gets on a lot of loose balls, but we want to see him a bit stronger in the air.”

Brandon Ellis

16 disposals, four tackles, five marks and five rebound-50s

“Brandon came back with a great attitude. He made the players around him better and really embraced the VFL program. He played a really good game. He got tagged, but although he didn’t ‘rack ‘em up’ he had good impact.”

Patrick Naish

16 disposals and six handball receives

“Naish has been working on the defensive side of his game, and again, that was much improved. Ball in hand, he didn’t waste any disposals and he took the simple option. It was a solid game.”

Ryan Garthwaite

14 disposals, 10 spoils and four marks

“Garthwaite was outstanding. He’s in form. He had ten spoils, took chop-out marks and is leading the defence really well.”

Shai Bolton

12 disposals, two goals and four tackles

“Shai was quiet early, and played a different role up on a wing. When the whips were cracking and the game was up for grabs, he really stood-up, particularly in the last quarter.”

Noah Balta

10 disposals and five rebound-50s

“Noah’s investment in the game and his mentality was a lot sharper this week. He’s still learning, there’s still some positioning things that he’s working on. He needs to make sure he’s predictable with the ball.”

Mabior Chol

10 disposals, one goal and five tackles

“Mabior didn’t quite have the impact that he had last week. He still had patches of brilliance, but a bit more consistency which is what we’re after.”

Callum Coleman-Jones

Nine disposals and seven tackles

“It was great to see a big man laying seven tackles. We would like to see him impact more in the air.”

Tyson Stengle

Eight disposals, one goal and four tackles

“Tyson looked dangerous, as he always does, but he found it difficult to find space.”

Nathan Drummond

Seven disposals and three tackles

“Drummond was tackling and running hard early, but unfortunately he went off early with a hamstring injury.”

Ivan Soldo

26 hitouts, seven disposals and four tackles

“Soldo had a really big battle in the ruck. They (Footscray) had a couple of really good ruckmen in there and they went head-to-head, and it was a good battle.”

Ben Miller

Three disposals and one tackle

“Ben Miller didn’t last that long, he got knocked out after suffering a knock to the head, so he didn’t spend much time on the ground.”

 

[Calcium Man]

No doubt he'll play some midfield time, I just don't see him as a pure mid. He's not big enough to dominate inside and his kicking lacks the penetration to excel outside. His running shortcomings will hold him back from being a full-timer as well.

Yep i agree. I don't think any of his goals have come from beyond 15m (somebody correct me if i'm wrong) but he's had 2 shots from goal abut 30-35m out that have not been good kicks and look like he is sacrificing accuracy for distance.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Baker is really putting together some good performances, particularly like his sure hands (rarely fumbles), and ability to weave through heavy traffic

 

[purr hana]

For those not adverse to reading the club PR propaganda

Anthony Miles

29 disposals, one goal, seven clearances and nine inside-50s

“Anthony Miles was a clearance king and worked really hard. Not as many tackles for him, but still had seven clearances.”

Corey Ellis

25 disposals, four tackles, eight handball receives and four inside-50s

“Corey played off half-back and played a really good role down there. He gave balance to the half-backs. His critical contest work was outstanding. He won the ball in tight and fed it off to the runners.”

Liam Baker

24 disposals, six handball receives, four clearances and four tackles

“Baker’s work rate was a feature. He worked up and down the ground, and won plenty of the ball, he was hard for them (Footscray) to match-up on.”

Connor Menadue

22 disposals, 11 handball receives, six inside-50s and five marks

“Connor’s run off half-back was a feature. He broke the lines and sent the ball forward, which has been a stand-out in his game over the last few weeks.”

Callum Moore

17 disposals, five marks and five inside-50s

“Callum probably didn’t quite have the impact that he wanted aerially, but he was still dangerous around the ball and gets on a lot of loose balls, but we want to see him a bit stronger in the air.”

Brandon Ellis

16 disposals, four tackles, five marks and five rebound-50s

“Brandon came back with a great attitude. He made the players around him better and really embraced the VFL program. He played a really good game. He got tagged, but although he didn’t ‘rack ‘em up’ he had good impact.”

Patrick Naish

16 disposals and six handball receives

“Naish has been working on the defensive side of his game, and again, that was much improved. Ball in hand, he didn’t waste any disposals and he took the simple option. It was a solid game.”

Ryan Garthwaite

14 disposals, 10 spoils and four marks

“Garthwaite was outstanding. He’s in form. He had ten spoils, took chop-out marks and is leading the defence really well.”

Shai Bolton

12 disposals, two goals and four tackles

“Shai was quiet early, and played a different role up on a wing. When the whips were cracking and the game was up for grabs, he really stood-up, particularly in the last quarter.”

Noah Balta

10 disposals and five rebound-50s

“Noah’s investment in the game and his mentality was a lot sharper this week. He’s still learning, there’s still some positioning things that he’s working on. He needs to make sure he’s predictable with the ball.”

Mabior Chol

10 disposals, one goal and five tackles

“Mabior didn’t quite have the impact that he had last week. He still had patches of brilliance, but a bit more consistency which is what we’re after.”

Callum Coleman-Jones

Nine disposals and seven tackles

“It was great to see a big man laying seven tackles. We would like to see him impact more in the air.”

Tyson Stengle

Eight disposals, one goal and four tackles

“Tyson looked dangerous, as he always does, but he found it difficult to find space.”

Nathan Drummond

Seven disposals and three tackles

“Drummond was tackling and running hard early, but unfortunately he went off early with a hamstring injury.”

Ivan Soldo

26 hitouts, seven disposals and four tackles

“Soldo had a really big battle in the ruck. They (Footscray) had a couple of really good ruckmen in there and they went head-to-head, and it was a good battle.”

Ben Miller

Three disposals and one tackle

“Ben Miller didn’t last that long, he got knocked out after suffering a knock to the head, so he didn’t spend much time on the ground.”

Thanks RT, it's good to read how the 'in house' view all the 1% things that are done. Interesting how 10 punches and spoils to Garth impacts the stats. Cheers.

 

[Sanctuary]

Yep i agree. I don't think any of his goals have come from beyond 15m (somebody correct me if i'm wrong) but he's had 2 shots from goal abut 30-35m out that have not been good kicks and look like he is sacrificing accuracy for distance.

That is wrong

 

[_RT_]

Thanks RT, it's good to read how the 'in house' view all the 1% things that are done. Interesting how 10 punches and spoils to Garth impacts the stats. Cheers.

A lot of those things are missed. Especially at VFL level where the opposition aren't that well known and a star player might need close checking which means a player is given a run with role to limit the opponents impact.

Post game people sit back and say gee he was crap only had it 15 times but don't understand that it might be because the role they were asked to play was different to what is usually expected.

 

[TigerImposter]

Who gave CEllis a vote? lol

 

[Calcium Man]

That is wrong

When did he kick one from 15m?

 

[Sanctuary]

When did he kick one from 15m?

 

[Calcium Man]

Yeah I guess technically that last one was about 25m.

But I still think from the AFL games and one preseason game he lacks depth and penetration in his kicking and it’s especially noticeable on his set shot kicks at about 30-40m. Something that can be improved.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

I’m not giving up on Higgins playing midfield as he’s young and has a lot of professionalism about him. He takes his footy serious to have given up an education for it. I’m not sure I’d be impressed if it was one of my lads.
He’s going to have to make a career out of footy for a while so the carrot will be dangling. Yes I’m happy with all of those names you mentioned and I’m glad you’ve given me some feedback on CCJ. His first VFL game he really had those buckets working.

Not sold on him yet...needs a tank...needs to kick straighter for goal...needs another yard in pace...no wonder he plays closer to goal...

 

[TigerImposter]

Not sold on him yet...needs a tank...needs to kick straighter for goal...needs another yard in pace...no wonder he plays closer to goal...

Has shown plenty in the early stages of his first season. All what you’re saying will come in good time.

 

[tunksy]

So why arent they playing cellis as the number 1 midfielder?

 

[TigerImposter]

So why arent they playing cellis as the number 1 midfielder?

Bc we have top up players who are much better than him in there.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Bc we have top up players who are much better than him in there.

No, we don't.

 

[TigerImposter]

No, we don't.

Than CEllis? I think we do as he’s not a mFers a-hole.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Than CEllis? I think we do as he’s not a mFers a-hole.

We don't.

I thought you were a Coburg supporter?