Solved VIC Bouncer Floors Woman

[Creasy]

In those circumstances I would. I thought the whole scene was an overreaction. They expect people not to try to save their friends when they are set upon like that. Guys have died from being held in headlocks. You'd be mighty concerned if 3 bouncers saw fit to be on top of your mate while he was incapacitated, and he had not thrown any punches to deserve it. They could have managed that situation with zero violence.

Great posts, you brought a lot of common sense that this thread was lacking. I am and have been working in nightclubs for the past 5 years and that was an extreme over-reaction, my belief is a bouncers best weapon is his mouth - this whole situation could've been avoided if the bouncer left his ego at home and just told the man to be on his way. I'm no lawyer but a suspended sentence after having a prior conviction seems like absolute crap.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Great posts, you brought a lot of common sense that this thread was lacking. I am and have been working in nightclubs for the past 5 years and that was an extreme over-reaction, my belief is a bouncers best weapon is his mouth - this whole situation could've been avoided if the bouncer left his ego at home and just told the man to be on his way. I'm no lawyer but a suspended sentence after having a prior conviction seems like absolute crap.

Good to hear your perspective. I know some bouncers might be very wary of any situation and how fast they can escalate, so one drunk idiot being in your personal space will alert all of your senses. Then when you make the decision to take him down, you have others yelling out, a woman screaming, and you don't know who might come out of the crowd at you. Perhaps the thinking then is to dispatch the ones you know about quickly so you can take on any other challenges. It's akin to a soldier spraying bullets everywhere because he doesn't know who the enemy are.

I reckon it can be a high pressure job at some moments, but that's why you need some intelligence. You have to recognise genuine threats and appropriate force in a split second.

I think a bouncer is like an internet moderator. It's not about you. You steer wayward patrons in the right direction with a minimum of fuss, and if they persist, you escort them out off the premises. Maybe relate to them, give them a pat on the back, tell them to go home and sleep it off. Don't challenge their drunken egos to stand up for themselves. Their patronage pays your wage so why make them feel like they are inferior.

 

[Creasy]

Good to hear your perspective. I know some bouncers might be very wary of any situation and how fast they can escalate, so one drunk idiot being in your personal space will alert all of your senses. Then when you make the decision to take him down, you have others yelling out, a woman screaming, and you don't know who might come out of the crowd at you. Perhaps the thinking then is to dispatch the ones you know about quickly so you can take on any other challenges. It's akin to a soldier spraying bullets everywhere because he doesn't know who the enemy are.

I reckon it can be a high pressure job at some moments, but that's why you need some intelligence. You have to recognise genuine threats and appropriate force in a split second.

I think a bouncer is like an internet moderator. It's not about you. You steer wayward patrons in the right direction with a minimum of fuss, and if they persist, you escort them out off the premises. Maybe relate to them, give them a pat on the back, tell them to go home and sleep it off. Don't challenge their drunken egos to stand up for themselves. Their patronage pays your wage so why make them feel like they are inferior.

Good point, we also don't know what the guy said to the bouncer, it looked all friendly but he could've been saying something contrary.

Yeah, I have had the privilege of working with some absolute gems of bouncers and the one quality they all have shared is intelligence and patience. All big guys that can obviously handle themselves but would rather talk their way out of a potential situation than look for the fight. I have also seen the other side of it which can be very ugly and I am talking bikies etc. not ideal for your workplace. I do think some bouncers use the inferiority tactic as way to let a patron know if they step out of line then they won't be getting away with it, but I don't believe that is the best path to take. I wonder if they're taught that as part of their their training?

My old man was a bouncer in the 80's, he has some great footage and highly recommends the job, the women flock to you he believes haha I was told by the owner of the security company at my pub if I were to beef up he would put me through training, but I am happy pouring the drinks for cute girls.

 

[Dan Cooper]

seem to remember after the David Hookes case the Victorian industry went through some pretty big changes and i thought what you stated was introduced, seems like the laws have slackened off again

Slightly off topic, but I have been witness to a few guys being removed from venues since the David Hookes incident and the amount of restraint shown by the bouncers has been absolutely amazing. In days gone by, those particular incidents would have been handled very differently and the people being removed would have woken up very sick and sorry next day.