Vic Club dominating (10 flags in 11 years)

[go_the_dockers]

In the last 11 years, 10 premierships have been one by Victorian sides with only Sydney with the COLA able to win one.

The non vic clubs often finish top 4 and make the GF but struggle to win. What is holidng them back?

Travel during the year wearing players out?
Playing at the Vic Clubs home ground \ a ground they have played a lot at?
Vocal Crowd?
The inability to bring in players to top up a list, due to limited number of players wanting to come to there state?
Lack of home grown talent on their list, and having to over pay to keep them?


2007 Geelong (7) Port Adelaide 24.19 (163) d. 6.8 (44) Melbourne Cricket Ground 97,302 29 September 2007
2008 Hawthorn (10) Geelong (9) 18.7 (115) d. 11.23 (89) Melbourne Cricket Ground 100,012 27 September 2008
2009 Geelong (8) St Kilda (5) 12.8 (80) d. 9.14 (68) Melbourne Cricket Ground 99,251 26 September 2009
2010 Collingwood(15) St Kilda (6) 9.14 (68) drew 10.8 (68) Melbourne Cricket Ground 100,016 25 September 2010
16.12 (108) d. 7.10 (52) Melbourne Cricket Ground 93,853 2 October 2010
2011 Geelong (9) Collingwood(26) 18.11 (119) d. 12.9 (81) Melbourne Cricket Ground 99,537 1 October 2011
2012 Sydney (5) Hawthorn (6) 14.7 (91) d. 11.15 (81) Melbourne Cricket Ground 99,683 29 September 2012
2013 Hawthorn (11) Fremantle 11.11 (77) d. 8.14 (62) Melbourne Cricket Ground 100,007 28 September 2013
2014 Hawthorn (12) Sydney (11) 21.11 (137) d. 11.8 (74) Melbourne Cricket Ground 99,454 27 September 2014
2015 Hawthorn (13) West Coast(3) 16.11 (107) d. 8.13 (61) Melbourne Cricket Ground 98,633 3 October 2015
2016 Western Bulldogs (2) Sydney (12) 13.11 (89) d. 10.7 (67) Melbourne Cricket Ground 99,981 1 October 2016
2017 Richmond (11) Adelaide 16.12 (108) d. 8.12 (60) Melbourne Cricket Ground 100,021 30 September 2017

 

[HaroLad]

Don't let this distract you from the real issue at hand, which is the fact that Geelong can't play finals at their home ground.

 

[Always Ballin]

Well, Victorians do have an overwhelming advantage in the AFL.

Less travel, home ground advantage on Grand Final day.

Didn't matter how good Sydney was in 2014 or 2016. Neither West Coast in 2015, nor Adelaide in 2017. We play away.

It's a reality, it's a burden.

But we accept the underprivileged status. Knowing that when we earn it, the fruits are that much sweeter. We beat the system.

We beat Victoria.

 

[HaroLad]

We beat Victoria.

lol no you haven't

10 in 11

#vicsdoitbetter

 

[Adz]

A trade off is interstate sides get a true home crowd advantage 10 weeks of the season

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

nice cut off years.

does 2000 onwards not fit the argument? or 1997 onwards i.e. 20 years?

 

[Colonial]

A trade off is interstate sides get a true home crowd advantage 10 weeks of the season

Please. Its a true away game every time we play away to.

Just never get that home state gf.

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[bzparkes]

A trade off is interstate sides get a true home crowd advantage 10 weeks of the season

And travel the other 12. Could swap if you like?

 

[Adz]

And travel the other 12. Could swap if you like?

We travel well. I’d have no issue with it.

 

[Underarm]

The real question is what changed? It was 10/14 from 92 to 06...

 

[Always Ballin]

The system is designed for Non-Victorians fail.

It's just the way it is.

We don't get the privileges they so non-nonchalantly take for granted.

It's always been this way.

When West Coast came into the league we weren't allowed as many players as Victorian teams. 17 less squad members. We had to pay millions just to join. We had to pay Victorians to play us out west.

We've had home finals stolen from us, forced to play grand finals away from home against lower seeds.

The system WANTS us to fail.

But in a way, because we have it much tougher... It has bred resilience... Excellence. A fearlessness.

The underdog mentality.

We're the urban street kid from a single parent ethnic minority household. They're the spoiled rotten born into wealth dynasty.

 

[Taylor]

A trade off is interstate sides get a true home crowd advantage 10 weeks of the season

It is my opinion that playing 17 out of 22 games in the same city each season represents a greater advantage than playing a WA side who has also just flown back into WA within the week too.

This is why playing Gold Coast at home in round 3 represents such an benefit for Fremantle next year. We don't have to travel back to WA to play a side at home the following week.

There isn't any way around it though, 10 of 18 clubs are in one city.

 

[RUNVS]

Didn't matter how good Sydney was in 2014 or 2016. Neither West Coast in 2015, nor Adelaide in 2017. We play away.

2014 doesn't piss me off because we were shite that day, but 2016 annoys me greatly as honestly the umpiring was a disgrace, and part of the reason for that could have easily been the fact the game was at the MCG and the neutrals were all supporting the Bulldogs. The umpiring that day no doubt affected the result.

 

[Bokonon_]

Pffft
Statistical chance in my view. No inequity. 8 interstate clubs and two of those relatively recent births.
The conditions faced by clubs aren't and cant be equal, generally the best team wins the flag.
There's nothing I can point at and say it could be changed.

 

[Testekill]

2007- Port Adelaide shat the bed
2013- Fremantle just lost to one of the greatest teams of the modern era
2014- Sydney were awful
2015- West Coast were even worse
2016- Sydney had a bunch of players that didn't perform on the day
2017- same as above but Adelaide also just got completely by workrate

 

[Taylor]

2007- Port Adelaide shat the bed
2013- Fremantle just lost to one of the greatest teams of the modern era
2014- Sydney were awful
2015- West Coast were even worse
2016- Sydney had a bunch of players that didn't perform on the day
2017- same as above but Adelaide also just got completely by workrate

What if those interstate sides having bad days was the result of accumulating 25 weeks of travel?

 

[RUNVS]

What if those interstate sides having bad days was the result of accumulating 25 weeks of travel?

and the fact that playing at home grounds with a home crowd definitely gives an advantage.

 

[TiggerMan22]

The system is designed for Non-Victorians fail.

It's just the way it is.

We don't get the privileges they so non-nonchalantly take for granted.

It's always been this way.

When West Coast came into the league we weren't allowed as many players as Victorian teams. 17 less squad members. We had to pay millions just to join. We had to pay Victorians to play us out west.

We've had home finals stolen from us, forced to play grand finals away from home against lower seeds.

The system WANTS us to fail.

But in a way, because we have it much tougher... It has bred resilience... Excellence. A fearlessness.

The underdog mentality.

We're the urban street kid from a single parent ethnic minority household. They're the spoiled rotten born into wealth dynasty.

Dumb comment.

 

[Martyn_30_]

The real question is what changed? It was 10/14 from 92 to 06...

When you take away non Victorian vs non Victorian teams it was 7-1 in that period.


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[go_the_dockers]

nice cut off years.

does 2000 onwards not fit the argument? or 1997 onwards i.e. 20 years?

2000 on wards and only one non Vic club with out a larger salary cap has won a flag.

When you take away non Victorian vs non Victorian teams it was 7-1 in that period.
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A lot of this was due to the initial squad they got which were pretty much state teams. Only one non vic team with out a larger salary cap has managed to draft an entire team and win a flag.

 

[GuzzLG]

Maybe if Freo/gws won their home prelim in 2015/2016 they would have gotten to play a non-Vic side in the gf

 

[go_the_dockers]

What if those interstate sides having bad days was the result of accumulating 25 weeks of travel?

or them missing key players due to travel?

McGovern?
McPharlin, Johnson etc

 

[boncer34]

What if those interstate sides having bad days was the result of accumulating 25 weeks of travel?

How'd they accumulate 25 weeks of travel?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

No I'm the victim. Please, guess most of you don't remember the ten years prior to that where North and Essendon were the only two Victorian teams to win a flag. Swings and roundabouts.

 

[RUNVS]

No I'm the victim. Please, guess most of you don't remember the ten years prior to that where North and Essendon were the only two Victorian teams to win a flag. Swings and roundabouts.

The game was barely professional in the 1990's. Players still went out and had beer and pizza as their after match routine so what happened back then is not too relevant today.