Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[wcv1475]

Everyone singles out Collingwood, but when we play one of the MCG tenants Hawthorn, Melbourne, Richmond and then Carlton and Essendon also play a significant amount of games at the G, who has a real advantage out of those teams. Geelong out of all Vic clubs have the biggest advantage 10 games at GMHBA totally different ground and they train at it, they will probably win 7 or 8 of those games, they then have another 5 games at the G. The Northern sides have the academies which in principal having lived in Brisbane for half my life think is great, but win or lose the grand final this year they get a genuine top 5 pick from that system, plus others. The other advantage of the academy system is even though both Ashcrofts and Fletcher were father sons they get to train and be coached by Brisbane coaches probably from the time they are 15, massive advantage, same with GC going forward and bringing in top end talent on minimum wage allows money for free agents. I think the clubs with the biggest disadvantage now are the SA and WA clubs they have home grounds but no academy system to nurture the home talent and from what i understand limited AFL investment.

 

[oak79]

yeah quality unemotional post. good stuff.

I get the fixturing stuff for sure. Gf location etc

But think about it logically.you want prelim grand finals etc at the mcg with insane atmosphere and 100k people in a great city or you want to do it in a piss ant town like Deadlaide. Imagine a grand final in Deadlaide with 50k people. Hows that gona look for the game? and then what you gona do after when they close shops and roll up the footpaths at 5pm? Drink a farmers ice union coffee and go hang at the pie cart? Take a trip to Hahndorf and drink a pint and look at a tree. Hang around at the Malls Balls???

You see the problem.

I love the Granny at the MCG, and heading into Melbourne afterwards to celebrate, but I don't think that's a good enough reason for it top stay there forever. The GF at Perth Stadium was also pretty awesome. I get your concerns re Adelaide, but my experience there for last years gather round was pretty positive, I think they could do a GF ok - I can't really comment the nightlife side of it.

GFs at smaller stadiums like GC or GWS should never happen, it does need a minimum size.

 

[Angus Young]

I love the Granny at the MCG, and heading into Melbourne afterwards to celebrate, but I don't think that's a good enough reason for it top stay there forever. The GF at Perth Stadium was also pretty awesome. I get your concerns re Adelaide, but my experience there for last years gather round was pretty positive, I think they could do a GF ok - I can't really comment the nightlife side of it.

GFs at smaller stadiums like GC or GWS should never happen, it does need a minimum size.

Its hard to even think about a grand final at a stadium that isnt 70k plus

Would seem pathetic

Just look at the prelims on the weekend. You cant beat 100k people at the MCG.

Now imagine having a Grand Final of the biggest sport in the country with an international act like kiss at a 50k stadium. My god amateur hour.

Yeah Optus is probably the only other.

 

[The Feeder Club]

Sure, keep the grand final at the MCG, but make it a neutral venue. What are there currently, about 2-3 games per round there on average? So say 60 games a year? Every team plays there 3 or 4 times a year then, and play your other games elsewhere

 

[p4p1]

I love the Granny at the MCG, and heading into Melbourne afterwards to celebrate, but I don't think that's a good enough reason for it top stay there forever. The GF at Perth Stadium was also pretty awesome. I get your concerns re Adelaide, but my experience there for last years gather round was pretty positive, I think they could do a GF ok - I can't really comment the nightlife side of it.

GFs at smaller stadiums like GC or GWS should never happen, it does need a minimum size.

A friend of mine was lucky enough as a Geelong member to get tickets to the GF. She can afford the tickets but not the flights and accommodation to go to Melbourne for the game.

It is grossly unfair for anyone who is not Victorian that going to watch their team play in a GF is out of reach for so many fans.

There was a lot talk after Melbourne won in Perth about how unfair it was that their fans couldn’t be there. Why is it any different for fans that can’t afford to travel to Melbourne? My neighbours who are mad demon supporters were lucky enough to go and watch Melbourne win the premiership. They probably would have been able to afford to go to Melbourne to watch it but should that be the case every year for non-Victorian fans?

 

[The Tilt]

A friend of mine was lucky enough as a Geelong member to get tickets to the GF. She can afford the tickets but not the flights and accommodation to go to Melbourne for the game.

It is grossly unfair for anyone who is not Victorian that going to watch their team play in a GF is out of reach for so many fans.

There was a lot talk after Melbourne won in Perth about how unfair it was that their fans couldn’t be there. Why is it any different for fans that can’t afford to travel to Melbourne? My neighbours who are mad demon supporters were lucky enough to go and watch Melbourne win the premiership. They probably would have been able to afford to go to Melbourne to watch it but should that be the case every year for non-Victorian fans?

Seriously, what's your suggested solution to this? You don't really think that the highest ranked team should host the GF, do you? This is not the Aleague, ffs. The GF is the biggest event on the sporting calendar: you don't just decide the venue a week out.

 

[garlic munchers]

Its hard to even think about a grand final at a stadium that isnt 70k plus

Would seem pathetic

Just look at the prelims on the weekend. You cant beat 100k people at the MCG.

Now imagine having a Grand Final of the biggest sport in the country with an international act like kiss at a 50k stadium. My god amateur hour.

Yeah Optus is probably the only other.

So 3 of the last 10 Super Bowls would be deemed pathetic, with the other 7 just scraping past the pathetic cut off criteria.

Biggest crowd was 70,000 odd.

Presumably the NFL doesn't feel the need to limit the SB to either of SoFi Stadium or AT&T Stadium which can cater for 100,000.

Optus Stadiums 2021 GF certainly wasn't pathetic in any way and wasn't out of place compared to other GF's I have gone too (1999, 1994, 2006, 2015 and 2018).

There was a difference in Perth's before and after atmosphere, but it was the Covid era (limited interstaters and one off) and it's hard to build before and after atmosphere/tradition when you are not allowed to have an event from which to build it.

The capacity for the last ten Super Bowl venues, going backward from 2025, were: 65,719 (Super Bowl LIX), Caesars Superdome, 70,240 (Super Bowl LVIII), Allegiant Stadium, 70,050 (Super Bowl LVII), State Farm Stadium, 70,240 (Super Bowl LVI), SoFi Stadium, 64,468 (Super Bowl LV), Raymond James Stadium, 70,240 (Super Bowl LVIII), Mercedes-Benz Stadium, 65,682 (Super Bowl LIII), Hard Rock Stadium, 73,208 (Super Bowl LII), U.S. Bank Stadium, 70,050 (Super Bowl LI), NRG Stadium, 76,190 (Super Bowl 50), Levi's Stadium, 71,525 (Super Bowl XXXVIII), Reliant Stadium, and 67,603 (Super Bowl XXXVII), Qualcomm Stadium

 

[Carringbush2010]

There was a lot talk after Melbourne won in Perth about how unfair it was that their fans couldn’t be there. Why is it any different for fans that can’t afford to travel to Melbourne?

Yeah a lot of talk from the media and talk back nuffies with a chip on their shoulder about it, this is 'a fact of life' situation not a conspired bias.

 

[LoungeLizard]

So 3 of the last 10 Super Bowls would be deemed pathetic, with the other 7 just scraping past the pathetic cut off criteria.

Biggest crowd was 70,000 odd.

Presumably the NFL doesn't feel the need to limit the SB to either of SoFi Stadium or AT&T Stadium which can cater for 100,000.

Optus Stadiums 2021 GF certainly wasn't pathetic in any way and wasn't out of place compared to other GF's I have gone too (1999, 1994, 2006, 2015 and 2018).

There was a difference in Perth's before and after atmosphere, but it was the Covid era (limited interstaters and one off) and it's hard to build before and after atmosphere/tradition when you are not allowed to have an event from which to build it.

The capacity for the last ten Super Bowl venues, going backward from 2025, were: 65,719 (Super Bowl LIX), Caesars Superdome, 70,240 (Super Bowl LVIII), Allegiant Stadium, 70,050 (Super Bowl LVII), State Farm Stadium, 70,240 (Super Bowl LVI), SoFi Stadium, 64,468 (Super Bowl LV), Raymond James Stadium, 70,240 (Super Bowl LVIII), Mercedes-Benz Stadium, 65,682 (Super Bowl LIII), Hard Rock Stadium, 73,208 (Super Bowl LII), U.S. Bank Stadium, 70,050 (Super Bowl LI), NRG Stadium, 76,190 (Super Bowl 50), Levi's Stadium, 71,525 (Super Bowl XXXVIII), Reliant Stadium, and 67,603 (Super Bowl XXXVII), Qualcomm Stadium

Could you tell us what it costs for a ticket to the Superbowl?
Also how much it costs for advertisement?

 

[scoman]

Jon Ralph is this thread in a nutshell.

 

[p4p1]

Seriously, what's your suggested solution to this? You don't really think that the highest ranked team should host the GF, do you? This is not the Aleague, ffs. The GF is the biggest event on the sporting calendar: you don't just decide the venue a week out.

The GF should be shared around so it is more accessible for non-Victorian fans. Sometimes you will be unlucky when your team make the GF and it's out of state but sometimes the planets align and you get to go and see your team.

Yeah a lot of talk from the media and talk back nuffies with a chip on their shoulder about it, this is 'a fact of life' situation not a conspired bias.

It is still a bias, conspired or not. It is unfair for the fans. Obviously it is unfair for teams that have to play an MCG tenant at the GF. It's crazy that any thought of moving the game away from Melbourne upsets so many people. Play it at the biggest stadiums in each state on rotation.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The GF should be shared around so it is more accessible for non-Victorian fans.

This has been explained eleventy billion times why it isn't, whether or not you agree with that is irrelevant.

It would only be relevant if non vic fans as a collective made a statement that may influence HQ to change that. Even then seeing how vic is the biggest market even that influence would be unlikely.

It is still a bias, conspired or not.

A fact of life then.

It's crazy that any thought of moving the game away from Melbourne upsets so many people.

Does it? Or is it just a few nuffies on BF and the hyperbole media.

Sure, there's those who wish to uphold tradition, hardly 'upset' though.

 

[Senor M]

Sure, keep the grand final at the MCG, but make it a neutral venue. What are there currently, about 2-3 games per round there on average? So say 60 games a year? Every team plays there 3 or 4 times a year then, and play your other games elsewhere

Where do you suggest Richmond, Collingwood and Melbourne play the rest of their home games?

 

[The Feeder Club]

Where do you suggest Richmond, Collingwood and Melbourne play the rest of their home games?

Why would I care?

My preference is to have a rotating grand final, if that happens you can play as many home games at the MCG as you want, but not get a grand final advantage unless you happen to make the GF on a year it randomly falls to the MCG to host.

But then we get the "but but but the MCG is the best, you have to have the grand final there every year" retorts, so here's an alternative. It's worse than a rotating grand final. It's worse than culling the number of Melbourne teams. But it's still an improvement on the current situation.

 

[Senor M]

Why would I care?

So you're suggesting that the current MCG clubs can only play 4 H&A games there, but you don't provide an alternative?

No wonder the #VICBIAS whinging gets dismissed when you complain, but provide no solutions.

My preference is to have a rotating grand final

Which option are you proposing:

• Waiting until the current Grand Final contract expires in 2059
• The AFL breaking their contract with the MCG and the Victorian Government; costing the AFL upwards of $500m AND upsetting two of their biggest partners

 

[JackOutback]

Yeah a lot of talk from the media and talk back nuffies with a chip on their shoulder about it, this is 'a fact of life' situation not a conspired bias.

For Melbourne fans in 2021, it was a fact of life, for every other year it's a conscious decision.

 

[The Feeder Club]

So you're suggesting that the current MCG clubs can only play 4 H&A games there, but you don't provide an alternative?

No wonder the #VICBIAS whinging gets dismissed when you complain, but provide no solutions.



Which option are you proposing:

• Waiting until the current Grand Final contract expires in 2059
• The AFL breaking their contract with the MCG and the Victorian Government; costing the AFL upwards of $500m AND upsetting two of their biggest partners

Good grief, what are you on about?

Even if there were no solutions, it would be entirely reasonable to call out Vicbias. Do you think people that are being disadvantaged should just grin and bear it?

Notwithstanding this simple logic, there are in fact many proposed solutions to Vicbias throughout this thread. But because by definition all solutions result in loss of Vic privilege, they are met with childish responses like your one which in the end can be boiled down to the same two arguments - suck it up because we've always done it this way, or it will cost money.

 

[Senor M]

Notwithstanding this simple logic, there are in fact many proposed solutions to Vicbias throughout this thread. But because by definition all solutions result in loss of Vic privilege, they are met with childish responses like your one which in the end can be boiled down to the same two arguments - suck it up because we've always done it this way, or it will cost money.

So your "solutions" are for the current MCG based clubs to play Home games, "umm... I dunno" as long as it's not the MCG, and to cancel an existing contract between the AFL, the MCC, and the Victorian Government to play Grand Finals wherever you want.

 

[The Feeder Club]

Ooh a GIF. Thanks, that will do nicely

 

[Rich01]

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Which option are you proposing:

• Waiting until the current Grand Final contract expires in 2059
• The AFL breaking their contract with the MCG and the Victorian Government; costing the AFL upwards of $500m AND upsetting two of their biggest partners

I’d be all for the other state govts paying out the existing contract and providing additional financial compensation to the mcg to tear up the contract.

But the likelihood of these state govts doing the right thing by their football supporting constituents would be political suicide.

So instead they rant and rave about how unfair it is and play the little brother card. And the great unwashed, particularly those on the west coast of the nation, seem to lap it all up like uneducated numbskulls.

 

[Outtatym]

So your "solutions" are for the current MCG based clubs to play Home games, "umm... I dunno" as long as it's not the MCG, and to cancel an existing contract between the AFL, the MCC, and the Victorian Government to play Grand Finals wherever you want.

Send the MCG tenants back to their home grounds EPL style. Brings the neutral grand final into play.

All of a sudden winning an away game at Punt road because you play there once a year/ 2 years becomes much harder.

 

[doppleganger]

Send the MCG tenants back to their home grounds EPL style. Brings the neutral grand final into play.

All of a sudden winning an away game at Punt road because you play there once a year/ 2 years becomes much harder.

Be great to see Melbourne based teams actually go back to having a home ground advantage again.

Might see some Melbourne based teams actually finish top2 again.

And then the WA wowsers will still complain, as it ain't fair that they have to fly to go to the GF...they should be able to just stay at home and get public transport to the game too.

 

[Senor M]

Send the MCG tenants back to their home grounds EPL style. Brings the neutral grand final into play.

All of a sudden winning an away game at Punt road because you play there once a year/ 2 years becomes much harder.

Imagine having the Collingwood AFL side playing at Victoria Park. The prospect of Nick Daicos doing an ACL after slipping on dog sh*t

 

[Carringbush2010]

For Melbourne fans in 2021, it was a fact of life, for every other year it's a conscious decision.

Yes it is, as has been explained many times as to the why, what's your point?

 

[VicBased]

Be great to see Melbourne based teams actually go back to having a home ground advantage again.

Might see some Melbourne based teams actually finish top2 again.

And then the WA wowsers will still complain, as it ain't fair that they have to fly to go to the GF...they should be able to just stay at home and get public transport to the game too.

A bit cranky Collingwood lost everything this year DG.