Society/Culture Victoria Cross winner Ben Roberts-Smith - Allegations of bad behavior

Baltimore Jack

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Either way we will have a defence force. As Cromwell said by Hook or by Crook.
The last time we had conscription it actually caused a sh*t storm of trouble inside the Military

The poor bastards were given every sh*t job that came along and they resented it and 'jacked up' against it
That created even greater divisions and made life even worse
They were never ever really acknowledged as being "Regulars"
 

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The last time we had conscription it actually caused a sh*t storm of trouble inside the Military

The poor bastards were given every sh*t job that came along and they resented it and 'jacked up' against it
That created even greater divisions and made life even worse
They were never ever really acknowledged as being "Regulars"
Yes.. best just make joining the forces something worth doing. Appreciating them helps the situation
 

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Yes.. best just make joining the forces something worth doing. Appreciating them helps the situation
I agree. There is a distinction, though, between appreciating the sacrifice that servicepeople make and naming each of them as heroes.

The point of ANZAC is that these were every day Australians and New Zealanders who made these sacrifices. By lionising them, you make it difficult for normal people to see themselves in our vets, and that has numerous consequences for the vets when they return.
 

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I'm calling BULLSHIT on BRS' "acts of valor". They read like a scene out of a Stallone film.
Burn his medal.


"Fresh witness statements supporting allegations Mr Roberts-Smith ordered two other soldiers in his command to kill unarmed men in separate incidents."
 

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Looks like there’s been more developments in the Ben Roberts Smith case, and the SAS Afghan War Crimes trial in general.


Going out of his way to leak classified info to the benefit of BRS’s defence. Looks like this is being dragged out to the point where they can bury it with little consequences.

Some other sources saying options up to disbanding the SAS may need to be looked at!:

 

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As it stands it looks like Afghanistan are more willing to prosecute war criminals than we are. At least Hekmatullah served seven years.
 

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He did a good job saving lives and earning the medal, hard to discount that. These latest allegations are damning however, best to let it play out. See what is concluded by law. As for stripping the medal if he is guilty? Well he did save his fellow soldiers by risking his own life. He probably has to keep it.

Tricky one
 

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As it stands it looks like Afghanistan are more willing to prosecute war criminals than we are. At least Hekmatullah served seven years.
look the dates of what he did. Look at the dates of brs and soldier c.

Look what he said, as to the reasons why he did what he did.

Then ask yourself, who is the true hero?
 

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I mean the Newspapers he's suing are not backing down. They're adding more allegations of murder into their Statements of Defence via amendments.

And BRS is now sitting on his hands and relying on submissions made by the AG's office to refuse to produce evidence he's even named as a Person of interest in the ongoing inquiry into war crimes.

He'd better be vindicated, or this is going to cost him a shitload of money in costs. Silks everywhere.

From what I'm hearing as an ex Soldier from Bens old unit, it's not looking great for him or the Unit. There is both a fair bit of discontent at what is perceived as a 'Witch Hunt' (mainly from the ECN 353 Operators, many of whom are innocent in this bullshit, or in denial about what happened), and a small (but vocal) minority who know what went on with some of these Punisher/ Spartan Warrior fu**-heads and repudiated it fully (mainly from the Chooks and Medics attached to the door kicker Patrols, but also to be fair a decent amount of the Operators as well).

Tellingly the new SOCAUST (head of Australian Special Forces) is a Commando (and not an SASR Operator). First time it's ever happened. Almost certainly the CDF is cleaning out the boys club a little, and getting ready for a damning report into the SASR.

In a way it was inevitable. The blokes just went on deployment after deployment after deployment after deployment. For over 15 years of non-stop rotations, and they basically policed themselves in an environment where that sh*t was just allowed to fester.

I have a feeling people are going to swing for this, and the Regiment is gonna get smashed.
 

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This is the subject of news today. Check it out.

 

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I mean the Newspapers he's suing are not backing down. They're adding more allegations of murder into their Statements of Defence via amendments.

And BRS is now sitting on his hands and relying on submissions made by the AG's office to refuse to produce evidence he's even named as a Person of interest in the ongoing inquiry into war crimes.

He'd better be vindicated, or this is going to cost him a shitload of money in costs. Silks everywhere.
It would be near on impossible for BRS to win his defamation case. Journalists use the word “allegedly” for a reason, and I haven’t seen any instance where 9/SMH/Age have directly said he committed the crimes, it’s always allegedly.

Plus they have serving and former SAS as witnesses to the crimes plus an IGADF inquiry and AFP investigation almost certain to point the finger at BRS.

It’s not going to cost BRS a cent however. Kerry Stokes and 7 media will cover his costs, plus I’d imagine groups like the IPA and those who backed up Pell will also go into bat for what will surely become one of the divisive culture war debates they thrive on.

I have a feeling people are going to swing for this, and the Regiment is gonna get smashed.
Depends on the willingness of the government to see this as a culture war issue. Looks like some in the ADF are trying to disassociate themselves from the SAS.A comparison has been made with the Canadian Airborne Regiment which was disbanded after two murders in Somalia, but Canada seems a little more advanced than Australia.

I’ve read a big reason for the SAS crimes, amongst other things, was their close association with the US Navy SEALs. The SEALs have been uncovered as having a “kill count” culture and that may have rubbed off on the SAS. One of their members, Eddie Gallagher, was convicted of war crimes after being dobbed in by other SEALs but was pardoned by Trump after Fox News made out he was a victim of “Liberal bureaucrats who hate our troops”. There’s already been articles defending BRS in right wing media here.
 
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