Victoria Election - 29 November 2014

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That makes it OK then

Voters wising up to the tactic good for the state
No, not good, just pointing out that it's hardly new either.

That said, it's more likely the private contractors requiring it because they understand the potential issues with a change of government and trying to lock in their cost coverage and at least some of their potential profits.
 

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Too funny, my grand-kids (8 & 10) wouldn't vote Labor because they intend to legalise cage fitting and people get killed.
Funny how different ads work on kids.
Yep funny how different people think. I voted Labor in the lower house because I have a good MP. I judged that more important than the state issues.

My eldest son took his first chance at voting very seriously. For upper house, he studied all 18 parties and decided to vote Sex Party because of their stance on gay marriage. I voted LDP who have a similar stance on gay marriage, which I oppose, but their other policies come closest to my views.
 

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Seeing how people vote, reading letters in papers where people complain about their first world problems, and how people are never happy no matter which party is in government, or are ever thankful for even one thing they do, I have decided to look at things from a different perspective from now on.

You see, I believed in the principle that JFK had of "Don't ask what your country would do for you, but what you can do for your country". I used to see society as everyone helping out and doing their bit, making a sacrifice here and there for a common goal- the greater good of society. A strong society meant that everyone was stronger as a result.

I was someone who cared about what was good for the economy, because it not only helped me, but also it provided jobs for others, meant that everyone was in a better position, and had a better and happier life.

But the fact is, people don't vote for the greater good. They vote based on "what is in it for me". We are a selfish society these days, and unless a pollie can give ME what I want, then I won't vote for them.

People's reactions to the budget is a perfect example. Instead of looking at it as getting the economy back into surplus, people whinge about how it affects them personally.

People always bitch about paying more tax. It doesn't matter what it is for, people would rather have everything provided, without paying a cent towards it themselves.

So, since this is how others think, I will now follow suit in my voting decisions from now on. I will focus solely on personal benefit, and not on what is good for Victoria, or Australia. I will be a selfish prick, like most voters seem to be at election time.

So, let's see. I don't see why one cent of my taxes should go towards hospitals and schools. I have never needed to go to hospitals, and I have left school, and have no children, so I shouldn't have to fund everyone else who does.Why should I be punished for remaining healthy and being educated? Maybe, instead of me paying tax, make it user pays. Then I can have more money in my pocket, since I care only about me, like most voters seem to.

Also, I don't give a stuff about climate change. Why should I? I will be long dead before it hits, and if I don't have children, it won't affect them either. How it affects the rest of society is no longer my problem. If that is how people want to vote, so be it.

I also don't care about public transport. Never use it. So I don't care about Andrews' plans in this area. So why should I pay for it?

Hey, if everyone else wants to make it all about themselves before society, then so should I? Hey, at least I am honest about it, not like many, who pretend that they give a stuff about their state or their country, but only when they benefit out of it.

I don't believe society exists anymore. I believe that it is instead a collection of individuals, each catering to their own needs before anyone else's. So that is why politicians can never please us. They try to do what is best for all, instead of what is best for me, me and only me.

Thanks, the voting public, for finally waking me up. This election result and a few others (such as one where we got handed out $900 for no reason) has shown that the individual is all that matters, not the greater society. That is why Labor wins elections. Because they know how to give out money to the self-entitled, instead of the old way of getting it- by working for it. I can now climb in the cesspool with the rest of you, and make it all about me at the next election, whether it screws Victoria, Australia or whomever. Hey, at least I won't be alone.
So you will continue to vote for the Coalition then?
 

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Seeing how people vote, reading letters in papers where people complain about their first world problems, and how people are never happy no matter which party is in government, or are ever thankful for even one thing they do, I have decided to look at things from a different perspective from now on.

You see, I believed in the principle that JFK had of "Don't ask what your country would do for you, but what you can do for your country". I used to see society as everyone helping out and doing their bit, making a sacrifice here and there for a common goal- the greater good of society. A strong society meant that everyone was stronger as a result.

I was someone who cared about what was good for the economy, because it not only helped me, but also it provided jobs for others, meant that everyone was in a better position, and had a better and happier life.

But the fact is, people don't vote for the greater good. They vote based on "what is in it for me". We are a selfish society these days, and unless a pollie can give ME what I want, then I won't vote for them.

People's reactions to the budget is a perfect example. Instead of looking at it as getting the economy back into surplus, people whinge about how it affects them personally.

People always bitch about paying more tax. It doesn't matter what it is for, people would rather have everything provided, without paying a cent towards it themselves.

So, since this is how others think, I will now follow suit in my voting decisions from now on. I will focus solely on personal benefit, and not on what is good for Victoria, or Australia. I will be a selfish prick, like most voters seem to be at election time.

So, let's see. I don't see why one cent of my taxes should go towards hospitals and schools. I have never needed to go to hospitals, and I have left school, and have no children, so I shouldn't have to fund everyone else who does.Why should I be punished for remaining healthy and being educated? Maybe, instead of me paying tax, make it user pays. Then I can have more money in my pocket, since I care only about me, like most voters seem to.

Also, I don't give a stuff about climate change. Why should I? I will be long dead before it hits, and if I don't have children, it won't affect them either. How it affects the rest of society is no longer my problem. If that is how people want to vote, so be it.

I also don't care about public transport. Never use it. So I don't care about Andrews' plans in this area. So why should I pay for it?

Hey, if everyone else wants to make it all about themselves before society, then so should I? Hey, at least I am honest about it, not like many, who pretend that they give a stuff about their state or their country, but only when they benefit out of it.

I don't believe society exists anymore. I believe that it is instead a collection of individuals, each catering to their own needs before anyone else's. So that is why politicians can never please us. They try to do what is best for all, instead of what is best for me, me and only me.

Thanks, the voting public, for finally waking me up. This election result and a few others (such as one where we got handed out $900 for no reason) has shown that the individual is all that matters, not the greater society. That is why Labor wins elections. Because they know how to give out money to the self-entitled, instead of the old way of getting it- by working for it. I can now climb in the cesspool with the rest of you, and make it all about me at the next election, whether it screws Victoria, Australia or whomever. Hey, at least I won't be alone.

Haha - Nice meltdown...
 

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The first time in awhile that the ALP actually out campaigned the Libs.

Mind you the Libs did some really dumb things. Push polling is an annoyance and counterproductive. Union bashing is 1980's politics. And just why you'd release plans that were going to significantly disadvantage travellers along a rail line that had a truckload of marginal seats is just mind blowing stupidity. Lost 'em all.
 

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Seeing how people vote, reading letters in papers where people complain about their first world problems, and how people are never happy no matter which party is in government, or are ever thankful for even one thing they do, I have decided to look at things from a different perspective from now on.

You see, I believed in the principle that JFK had of "Don't ask what your country would do for you, but what you can do for your country". I used to see society as everyone helping out and doing their bit, making a sacrifice here and there for a common goal- the greater good of society. A strong society meant that everyone was stronger as a result.

I was someone who cared about what was good for the economy, because it not only helped me, but also it provided jobs for others, meant that everyone was in a better position, and had a better and happier life.

But the fact is, people don't vote for the greater good. They vote based on "what is in it for me". We are a selfish society these days, and unless a pollie can give ME what I want, then I won't vote for them.

People's reactions to the budget is a perfect example. Instead of looking at it as getting the economy back into surplus, people whinge about how it affects them personally.

People always bitch about paying more tax. It doesn't matter what it is for, people would rather have everything provided, without paying a cent towards it themselves.

So, since this is how others think, I will now follow suit in my voting decisions from now on. I will focus solely on personal benefit, and not on what is good for Victoria, or Australia. I will be a selfish prick, like most voters seem to be at election time.

So, let's see. I don't see why one cent of my taxes should go towards hospitals and schools. I have never needed to go to hospitals, and I have left school, and have no children, so I shouldn't have to fund everyone else who does.Why should I be punished for remaining healthy and being educated? Maybe, instead of me paying tax, make it user pays. Then I can have more money in my pocket, since I care only about me, like most voters seem to.

Also, I don't give a stuff about climate change. Why should I? I will be long dead before it hits, and if I don't have children, it won't affect them either. How it affects the rest of society is no longer my problem. If that is how people want to vote, so be it.

I also don't care about public transport. Never use it. So I don't care about Andrews' plans in this area. So why should I pay for it?

Hey, if everyone else wants to make it all about themselves before society, then so should I? Hey, at least I am honest about it, not like many, who pretend that they give a stuff about their state or their country, but only when they benefit out of it.

I don't believe society exists anymore. I believe that it is instead a collection of individuals, each catering to their own needs before anyone else's. So that is why politicians can never please us. They try to do what is best for all, instead of what is best for me, me and only me.

Thanks, the voting public, for finally waking me up. This election result and a few others (such as one where we got handed out $900 for no reason) has shown that the individual is all that matters, not the greater society. That is why Labor wins elections. Because they know how to give out money to the self-entitled, instead of the old way of getting it- by working for it. I can now climb in the cesspool with the rest of you, and make it all about me at the next election, whether it screws Victoria, Australia or whomever. Hey, at least I won't be alone.
You're taking this awfully hard, get it together mate.
 

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What did he do?

They sat by and watched Ford, Toyota and Holden **** off.

They sat by and let the Ambos wait for nothing.

They sat by and built jails to house prisoners but took money out of educational facilities that would stop the generational poverty that leads them to crime.

They rushed to sign the East West to make it a political tool.

They promised a Airport Link....promised.

...I mean seriously, what did they do for 4 years....and the voters have voted.

Holden folded because they make shit cars. I know, I drove one. Worst car I ever had. Maybe if car makers spent less time on breaks, and more on working, we might get half decent cars in this country.

Ambos should be in the job to save lives, not to make money. Money should be put into providing more ambulances, making the system more efficient, but not on giving ambos big pay rises.

Criminals CHOOSE to commit crime. Don't make excuses for them by blaming lack of education. I know people who weren't greatly educated, but they made good choices and chose to get money the legal way, rather than choose to do the wrong thing.

No govt has built an Airport Link for years, on both sides of govt. Maybe you should stop believing that it will ever happen, and take the "I'll believe it when I see it" mentality.

Pollies say what YOU want to hear. If you actually believe anything that either side promises, when they never have in the past, then maybe you should answer some Nigerian e-mails sent to you as well.

If the govt had done something, would you have been thankful for it? Or wouldn't you have given them credit, because it is not the political party you want in government.
 

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So you will continue to vote for the Coalition then?
While it is beneficial to me, yes!

Why is that any different to those who always vote Labor, or always vote Liberal, because their dad did, and their grandad did? At least I have voted for Labor a couple of times (like in 1999, because I got sick of Kennett, amongst other things).
 

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Holden folded because they make shit cars. I know, I drove one. Worst car I ever had. Maybe if car makers spent less time on breaks, and more on working, we might get half decent cars in this country.

Ambos should be in the job to save lives, not to make money. Money should be put into providing more ambulances, making the system more efficient, but not on giving ambos big pay rises.

Criminals CHOOSE to commit crime. Don't make excuses for them by blaming lack of education. I know people who weren't greatly educated, but they made good choices and chose to get money the legal way, rather than choose to do the wrong thing.

No govt has built an Airport Link for years, on both sides of govt. Maybe you should stop believing that it will ever happen, and take the "I'll believe it when I see it" mentality.

Pollies say what YOU want to hear. If you actually believe anything that either side promises, when they never have in the past, then maybe you should answer some Nigerian e-mails sent to you as well.

If the govt had done something, would you have been thankful for it? Or wouldn't you have given them credit, because it is not the political party you want in government.
Take it back to the Lyon's Club bitch, you lose.
 

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Napthine just keeps giving people more and more reasons to distrust him
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/v...etails-of-eastwest-tunnel-20131215-2zfbr.html

refusing to release the documents isn't about commerical confidence, it is about not wanting to show that the figures are fake and the road will be a white elephant. There was no such problem when Citylink was tendered, because we all knew it would work, even Eastlink documents were released.

I now have little doubt that the current Victorian Liberal government is as corrupt as the previous Labor government in NSW. Whether Andrews and the rest of the Victorian ALP are competent or not is no longer an issue, the swinging voters I know have all given up on this government and don't trust them. This being the case 11 months out from an election it spells absolute disaster for Napthine and a long period in the opposition benches again.
Voters not trusting a government?

Gee, that's new. Never heard of that before.
 

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I know we all think that ambos and the like are all saints, and gods amongst men, but isn't it possible that there are those who are in it for less than aultruistic reasons and want to get a better pay packet.

I always say, if you are looking to get rich in this world, don't become a public servant.

What, are you afraid that if you say anything bad about ambos, they might find out who you are, and not attend to you if you need it one time, out of revenge for writing bad posts about them?
You're projecting oddball. You're the poster boy for LNP failure.
 

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I know we all think that ambos and the like are all saints, and gods amongst men, but isn't it possible that there are those who are in it for less than aultruistic reasons and want to get a better pay packet.

I always say, if you are looking to get rich in this world, don't become a public servant.

What, are you afraid that if you say anything bad about ambos, they might find out who you are, and not attend to you if you need it one time, out of revenge for writing bad posts about them?
I take it you have extensive knowledge about what a paramedic goes through each shift?
 

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Alrighty, well done Labor.

Now get to ******* work.

Looking forward to all night PT, better paid ambos and the metro tunnel.

Andrews is coming in at a time when politicians are trusted the least. Up to him how he handles it. Interesting few years to come.
 

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I know we all think that ambos and the like are all saints, and gods amongst men, but isn't it possible that there are those who are in it for less than aultruistic reasons and want to get a better pay packet.

I always say, if you are looking to get rich in this world, don't become a public servant.

What, are you afraid that if you say anything bad about ambos, they might find out who you are, and not attend to you if you need it one time, out of revenge for writing bad posts about them?
When it comes to police, ambos, nurses, fireys and the like, you can't pay them enough as far as I am concerned.
 

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I take it you have extensive knowledge about what a paramedic goes through each shift?
What I am saying is, I think the money could be better spent making life easier for paramedics, so that they can do their job the best that they can.

Say, for example, there is only enough money for one of these:- Money going into buying more ambulances, better equipment, more intensive training and first aid courses, and more stress leave, OR, more money in the pay packets of paramedics.

If it were me, I would want the system fixed first, then anything left over be used to pay ambos better, not the other way around.

Besides, once we pay the teachers, police, ambos, nurses and other public servants more, who else should we pay more. Everyone thinks that their job is hard and stressful. Also, why ask for it when the economy is bad? If there is a massive surplus, by all means, stick your hand out. But, in hard economic times, we all have to make sacrifices and maybe forgo pay rises for a certain time.

People don't get into these jobs to make money. They deserve to be paid to meet their needs, and have what most people have. But the satisfaction that they are saving lives, and the standing that they have in society is priceless, and beyond any money that we can ever pay them, so they will never be paid what they are worth.

Again, you need to look at this objectively, not subjectively, as you are probably only getting one side of the argument.
 

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When it comes to police, ambos, nurses, fireys and the like, you can't pay them enough as far as I am concerned.
There lies the problem. They will never be happy with their pay packet, because they can't ever be paid what they are worth.

However, those in these jobs for the right reasons will accept this and do their jobs anyway, putting others before themselves.
 

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There lies the problem. They will never be happy with their pay packet, because they can't ever be paid what they are worth.

However, those in these jobs for the right reasons will accept this and do their jobs anyway, putting others before themselves.
I knew using a figure of speech in my post was a mistake. :cool:
 

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When it comes to police, ambos, nurses, fireys and the like, you can't pay them enough as far as I am concerned.
Maybe we should all pay more tax towards their pay packets, if they are so important.

Or does your opinion change once you see that YOU need to pay more?

Maybe these industries should be user pays, and then people like me, who have not needed a lot of these groups (but still appreciate what they do), don't have to pay for others to use ambos because they went off and did something stupid to land themselves in hospital.
 

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What I am saying is, I think the money could be better spent making life easier for paramedics, so that they can do their job the best that they can.

Say, for example, there is only enough money for one of these:- Money going into buying more ambulances, better equipment, more intensive training and first aid courses, and more stress leave, OR, more money in the pay packets of paramedics.

If it were me, I would want the system fixed first, then anything left over be used to pay ambos better, not the other way around.

Besides, once we pay the teachers, police, ambos, nurses and other public servants more, who else should we pay more. Everyone thinks that their job is hard and stressful. Also, why ask for it when the economy is bad? If there is a massive surplus, by all means, stick your hand out. But, in hard economic times, we all have to make sacrifices and maybe forgo pay rises for a certain time.

People don't get into these jobs to make money. They deserve to be paid to meet their needs, and have what most people have. But the satisfaction that they are saving lives, and the standing that they have in society is priceless, and beyond any money that we can ever pay them, so they will never be paid what they are worth.

Again, you need to look at this objectively, not subjectively, as you are probably only getting one side of the argument.
Buying more ambulances is useless if you don't have any paramedics to man them, plus the only equipment that will make their job easier/safer comes in the form of heavy lifting gear which most of the time can't be used because they are dealing with time sensitive situations and not to mention are incredibly expensive to fit. The university degree already takes 3 or 4 years depending on which university you go to and first aid =/= anything close to what is learnt through the degree.

You're right they don't get into the job to make money, they do it to help people but when you are shafted by the government and see all your peers in other states earning more money than you do of course you're going to ask for a pay rise. Not to mention the average career length is around 3-5 years depending on whom you ask.
 
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