Victoria Election - 29 November 2014

Gasometer

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 14, 2002
Posts
46,420
Likes
52,048
Location
Gasometer Wing
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Other Teams
Kangaroos
I live in Geelong and while I feel for the guys who worked at ford, it was right to stop giving taxpayer handouts to an unsustainable industry.

Secondly if the previous labor government didn't waste billions on myki and the desalination plant there'd be more money to give to the paramedics.

Every action has consequences, years of labor spending and waste is as much to blame for that.

I'm no expert about Melbourne traffic as my Melbourne travels are limited to mostly Etihad and MCG, but I have family and friends with political leanings on both sides, and live in various Melbourne suburbs both in the west and east. The overwhelming consensus is in favour of East west link.

My uncle is a chauffeur driver from Geelong/surfcoast and while a lot of his work is to the airport, he also traverses all parts of Melbourne and his vote for the coalition was purely based on his opinion of the dire need for East west link.
Geelong....says it all. ..how much has your electorate benefitted from being marginal?

Try coming to live in the safest seat in Vic...well was til last night and see where 30 years of complacency gets you. ..poverty and the third highest level of adult unemployment and second highest youth in Australia.

Enjoy your football stadium by the way.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Joined
Mar 21, 2006
Posts
2,591
Likes
1,157
Location
Near Kardinia Park
AFL Club
Geelong
What did he do?

They sat by and watched Ford, Toyota and Holden **** off.

They sat by and let the Ambos wait for nothing.

They sat by and built jails to house prisoners but took money out of educational facilities that would stop the generational poverty that leads them to crime.

They rushed to sign the East West to make it a political tool.

They promised a Airport Link....promised.

...I mean seriously, what did they do for 4 years....and the voters have voted.
As a Labor voter I would at least say Napthine did everything he could to keep Ford in Geelong/manufacturing in Vic - in contrast to his Federal colleagues who played the issue up in opposition then disgracefully goaded the manufacturers to leave once in office.

Yes the Ambos issue dragged on for far too long, as the teachers' dispute before it.

TAFE funding was a disgrace, Labor must do better.

The East-West contracts should not have been signed so close to caretaker, they basically blackmailed the voters to vote for them on account of the compensation to the consortium.

These 'liberal'/conservative governments have to start to stand for something more than just cuts in the first few years of a term and then big spends as the election nears.

Now that Labor has the responsibility of governing I'll paraphrase the scene in All The President's Men where the sub-editor tells Woodward and Bernstein that they've been given the Watergate story: Labor you've won government now don't **** it up.
 

pjcrows

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Sep 10, 2004
Posts
27,571
Likes
36,068
Location
Adelaide
AFL Club
Adelaide
Other Teams
Minnesota Vikings
Seeing how people vote, reading letters in papers where people complain about their first world problems, and how people are never happy no matter which party is in government, or are ever thankful for even one thing they do, I have decided to look at things from a different perspective from now on.

You see, I believed in the principle that JFK had of "Don't ask what your country would do for you, but what you can do for your country". I used to see society as everyone helping out and doing their bit, making a sacrifice here and there for a common goal- the greater good of society. A strong society meant that everyone was stronger as a result.

I was someone who cared about what was good for the economy, because it not only helped me, but also it provided jobs for others, meant that everyone was in a better position, and had a better and happier life.

But the fact is, people don't vote for the greater good. They vote based on "what is in it for me". We are a selfish society these days, and unless a pollie can give ME what I want, then I won't vote for them.

People's reactions to the budget is a perfect example. Instead of looking at it as getting the economy back into surplus, people whinge about how it affects them personally.

People always bitch about paying more tax. It doesn't matter what it is for, people would rather have everything provided, without paying a cent towards it themselves.

So, since this is how others think, I will now follow suit in my voting decisions from now on. I will focus solely on personal benefit, and not on what is good for Victoria, or Australia. I will be a selfish prick, like most voters seem to be at election time.

So, let's see. I don't see why one cent of my taxes should go towards hospitals and schools. I have never needed to go to hospitals, and I have left school, and have no children, so I shouldn't have to fund everyone else who does.Why should I be punished for remaining healthy and being educated? Maybe, instead of me paying tax, make it user pays. Then I can have more money in my pocket, since I care only about me, like most voters seem to.

Also, I don't give a stuff about climate change. Why should I? I will be long dead before it hits, and if I don't have children, it won't affect them either. How it affects the rest of society is no longer my problem. If that is how people want to vote, so be it.

I also don't care about public transport. Never use it. So I don't care about Andrews' plans in this area. So why should I pay for it?

Hey, if everyone else wants to make it all about themselves before society, then so should I? Hey, at least I am honest about it, not like many, who pretend that they give a stuff about their state or their country, but only when they benefit out of it.

I don't believe society exists anymore. I believe that it is instead a collection of individuals, each catering to their own needs before anyone else's. So that is why politicians can never please us. They try to do what is best for all, instead of what is best for me, me and only me.

Thanks, the voting public, for finally waking me up. This election result and a few others (such as one where we got handed out $900 for no reason) has shown that the individual is all that matters, not the greater society. That is why Labor wins elections. Because they know how to give out money to the self-entitled, instead of the old way of getting it- by working for it. I can now climb in the cesspool with the rest of you, and make it all about me at the next election, whether it screws Victoria, Australia or whomever. Hey, at least I won't be alone.
Neither party gives a shit about you or I mate. Don't take it too personally.
 

Gus Poyet

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Jul 1, 2012
Posts
9,255
Likes
3,925
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
Brighton & HA, Boston Celtics
Give it up you are repeating yourself, nobody replied last time hopefully nobody plays you game this time. Troll.
The parasites won. Why can't I whoop it up with the parasites about how much we're all going to be better off now that Andrews gets to spend other peoples money?
 

Gus Poyet

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Jul 1, 2012
Posts
9,255
Likes
3,925
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
Brighton & HA, Boston Celtics
These 'liberal'/conservative governments have to start to stand for something more than just cuts in the first few years of a term and then big spends as the election nears.
I suppose they will once a Lib government is formed in a situation where they enter power with a huge surplus. Which rarely happens following a Labor Government.
 
Joined
Mar 21, 2006
Posts
2,591
Likes
1,157
Location
Near Kardinia Park
AFL Club
Geelong
Is that why John Howard pissed away 314 billion in tax revenue in 2007 lol? You blokes must be absolutely warped in the head. Outrageous look it up for yourself it's 314 billion... sums our current debt up quite nicely

How the **** people can't link simple fact right in front of them is something I'll never be able to understand. Some bizarre form of Murdoch Magic it must be.
According to Jon Roskam it's ok that Howard did this as it wasn't borrowed money.
 

Grin

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Feb 8, 2006
Posts
11,999
Likes
12,225
Location
Port Adelaide
AFL Club
Richmond
My aunt is a teacher at a public school in Melbourne and because her husband is highly affluent, is the only member of staff not a member of the education union (despite Union official pressure, bordering on harassment).
I hope your Aunt doesn't accept these pay rises.
If she does, she's nothing more than a lazy, winging parasite.
 

Grin

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Feb 8, 2006
Posts
11,999
Likes
12,225
Location
Port Adelaide
AFL Club
Richmond
The parasites won. Why can't I whoop it up with the parasites about how much we're all going to be better off now that Andrews gets to spend other peoples money?
The parasites definitely didn't win and will be very bitter that they are unlikely to drain the coffers of billions upon billions of dollars for a poorly thought out road. I also disagree with you that Victoria is likely to be managed better financially now that Labor is in office. Both parties have proven that they shouldn't be in charge of a children's bank account

Well done to the Greens.
Looks like the more educated you are, the less prone you are to make the same mistake repeatedly.
Seems Victoria'll have at least one adult in the reps.
 

sherb

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Sep 28, 2003
Posts
26,855
Likes
19,855
Location
Western Sydney
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
Swans
Maybe we should all pay more tax towards their pay packets, if they are so important.

Or does your opinion change once you see that YOU need to pay more?

Maybe these industries should be user pays, and then people like me, who have not needed a lot of these groups (but still appreciate what they do), don't have to pay for others to use ambos because they went off and did something stupid to land themselves in hospital.
I'm happy to pay people in essential services very, very good levels of pay. Not just because they are essential services.

But also because people in the services I mentioned see things I would never, ever want to see - and on a regular basis.

They have extremely demanding and often confronting jobs. Jobs which you would have to want to do because no amount of money could reimburse them for what they have to see and do.

I have the utmost respect for them. As does the vast majority of society I would think. And I am happy for that respect to extend to their remuneration.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Gus Poyet

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Jul 1, 2012
Posts
9,255
Likes
3,925
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
Brighton & HA, Boston Celtics
The parasites definitely didn't win and will be very bitter that they are unlikely to drain the coffers of billions upon billions of dollars for a poorly thought out road. I also disagree with you that Victoria is likely to be managed better financially now that Labor is in office. Both parties have proven that they shouldn't be in charge of a children's bank account

Well done to the Greens.
Looks like the more educated you are, the less prone you are to make the same mistake repeatedly.
Seems Victoria'll have at least one adult in the reps.
The Greens are massive nanny staters. Real adults don't need their hands held in life by politicians.
 

Messenger

No, I’m just disappointed
Joined
Jun 16, 2007
Posts
29,788
Likes
22,211
Location
Nearby
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Minnesota Timberwolves
Admin #1,838
My aunt is a teacher at a public school in Melbourne and because her husband is highly affluent, is the only member of staff not a member of the education union (despite Union official pressure, bordering on harassment).

She says that it's an endless cycle.

Vic teachers lowest paid, union whinges for pay rise - they get it.

This makes (hypothetically) NSW teachers lowest paid, they whinge that there the lowest paid and get a pay rise.

This goes around all the states and rinse and repeat, regardless of the party in power. This doesn't just apply to teachers but police, ambos etc.

It's a vicious cycle and what we saw was a government with the balls to stand up and say no.

Which we won't see for the next 4 years now that labor will pander to the unions.
Kim Wells was interviewed last night and asked the old standby "What went wrong?".

I was struck by the lack of introspection; it seems the voters were wrong and didn't understand. And unions, those damn unions ruining everything. Those ambos and firefighters.

Truth is when you're a "one and done" government something has gone dreadfully wrong and much needs to be assessed. But what we get from Wells (and Josh Frydenberg this morning) is incredulity. They seem wed to the idea of being the natural party of government.

This governemnt was lazy in their first two years and ham fisted in the second half. Governments are voted out, oppositions are not voted in.
 

Grin

Brownlow Medallist
Joined
Feb 8, 2006
Posts
11,999
Likes
12,225
Location
Port Adelaide
AFL Club
Richmond
The Greens are massive nanny staters. Real adults don't need their hands held in life by politicians.
Really?
I think you've fallen for propaganda aimed at conning the ignorant again Gus.
The party who does your thinking for you, whilst you mindlessly regurgitate their propaganda, has told you to think that real adults do need their hands held when making decisions like who they want to marry or if they want to die with dignity. Federally, more powers to those who spy on us etc. etc. etc. Whilst reducing regulation for financial advisers.

Government isn't just here to interfere with and regulate your private life whilst making it easier and easier for corrupt supporters and donors to rip you off.

This election shows that the more educated you are, the harder it's getting to fool you with the same old nonsensical bullshit.
 

wandering123

All Australian
Joined
Jul 23, 2012
Posts
793
Likes
1,069
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Joined
Oct 28, 2012
Posts
73,605
Likes
94,370
AFL Club
Geelong
Other Teams
Tottenham, Bushrangers
Geelong....says it all. ..how much has your electorate benefitted from being marginal?

Try coming to live in the safest seat in Vic...well was til last night and see where 30 years of complacency gets you. ..poverty and the third highest level of adult unemployment and second highest youth in Australia.

Enjoy your football stadium by the way.
Wtf? The seat I'm in, South Barwon, has been held Labor for 8 years since its inception in 1976 and my federal seat has been held by labor for iirc 13 years since 1901. My seat is traditionally safe liberal. As JUBJUB would tell you, the northern seats are safe Labor. Pffft don't give me that marginal seat crap.

Oh and btw that stadium thing is bollocks as well, you know why, because every afl stadium is taxpayer funded so don't give me that shit either.

I mean do you guys who follow teams in Melbourne and see your teams play at Docklands or MCG just expect us to perpetually play in a run down stadium or relocate to Melbourne?

Lastly Cats CEO Cook stated that iirc 90% of all money spent on the stadium went to local contractors, so it was helping the local economy, giving jobs to some of those laid off down here in recent years.
 
Joined
Oct 28, 2012
Posts
73,605
Likes
94,370
AFL Club
Geelong
Other Teams
Tottenham, Bushrangers
So she does accept the pay rises won for her through the work of others, whilst winging about them?
I have absolutely no idea as it would be rude to ask, it has to be said, she's nearly 60, doesn't need to work and only teaches home economics and as a substitute teacher (given she lives 500m from the school).

Tbh she wouldn't work more than 5-10 hours a week.
 
Joined
Sep 13, 2000
Posts
66,403
Likes
26,098
Location
Melbourne cricket ground. Australia
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Horks
It's all cyclical. Labour cames in and wastes the money. Liberals then voted in and cleans shop. Gets labelled the bad guys, and in comes back Labour to screw the pooch again.
And being bent over by lend lease just to apply a political wedge in the east west link is what ?


Biggest. Waste. Ever
 
Joined
Sep 13, 2000
Posts
66,403
Likes
26,098
Location
Melbourne cricket ground. Australia
AFL Club
Hawthorn
Other Teams
Horks
Kim Wells was interviewed last night and asked the old standby "What went wrong?".

I was struck by the lack of introspection; it seems the voters were wrong and didn't understand. And unions, those damn unions ruining everything. Those ambos and firefighters.

Truth is when you're a "one and done" government something has gone dreadfully wrong and much needs to be assessed. But what we get from Wells (and Josh Frydenberg this morning) is incredulity. They seem wed to the idea of being the natural party of government.

This governemnt was lazy in their first two years and ham fisted in the second half. Governments are voted out, oppositions are not voted in.
We got that from abbott too. Voters were just naughty kids who played up when they voted howard out (losing his own seat wasnt a big enough hint)
Now they just carry on with howard polices which will include a gst and weel all get accused of being un australian for complaining

Lets hope the social side of the libs is good, its a waste of space otherwise
 

wandering123

All Australian
Joined
Jul 23, 2012
Posts
793
Likes
1,069
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Wtf? The seat I'm in, South Barwon, has been held Labor for 8 years since its inception in 1976 and my federal seat has been held by labor for iirc 13 years since 1901. My seat is traditionally safe liberal. As JUBJUB would tell you, the northern seats are safe Labor. Pffft don't give me that marginal seat crap.

Oh and btw that stadium thing is bollocks as well, you know why, because every afl stadium is taxpayer funded so don't give me that shit either.

I mean do you guys who follow teams in Melbourne and see your teams play at Docklands or MCG just expect us to perpetually play in a run down stadium or relocate to Melbourne?

Lastly Cats CEO Cook stated that iirc 90% of all money spent on the stadium went to local contractors, so it was helping the local economy, giving jobs to some of those laid off down here in recent years.
Heh. Try growing up next door in Polwarth.
 

Bosun

Cancelled
Joined
Apr 10, 2007
Posts
3,632
Likes
2,083
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
Spurs
Way too early to diss the Desal plant. The justification or otherwise for the Desal plant will be properly arrived at in ten years or so after we've been through a few periods of drought - as we most likely will.
I ain't dissing the function, it's the management and build that was and is ******* disgraceful. Same goes for myki.
 
Top Bottom