No, I don't. We are the second oldest team in the competition and have always been an integral part of the game.Do you, as a Geelong supporter, support your club and coach commenting every year about hosting a home final? If you do, you may notice the irony in your statement.
This is a parody response too right?I think a huge part of the recent dominance by Victorian Premiers (largely Hawks and Richmond) has developed due to the timing that GC and GWS came into the comp before these eras and compromised multiple drafts.
When other interstate teams would have been rebuilding and getting top access to the drafts, they were pushed down the pecking order of these two teams.
This is in stark contrast to these two powerhouse clubs who 15 years ago hit the drafts and stocked up on multiple high picks which formed the base of their premiership dominance.
Not only did lacking access to the top talent reduce sides chances to rebuild in a normal fashion, it aided the top sides in staying up the top who had already developed their elite talent and were playing sides that didn’t get that opportunity.
Then on top of that, free agency came into the competition. Of course players who had played in bottom teams all their careers then wanted to go to these top teams which again aided their ongoing cycle of dominance.
Taking nothing away from these teams that have won, they made the most of the timings.
But if those compromised drafts didn’t exist, I don’t believe we would have seen this ongoing cycle of dominance by 2 teams over this period and that is a huge reason for the Victorian dominance.
2011 is a perfect example of this.
Port, Adelaide, Brisbane and Freo made up 4 of the bottom 6 teams (excluding the suns). However with GWS taking a lot of the top talent that draft all those clubs were heavily disadvantaged. A few years later, port lost 2 prelims, Freo loose a GF. Adelaide loose a GF and recently lions loose a prelim.
With 1 or 2 of those top end talents from that draft, would these interstate teams have gone an extra step or two and won? Very possibly and then we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
That was his point.our "Stars" such as Martin, Cotchin & Riewoldt all came much earlier than any talk of the expansion team joining the comp.
No his point is flawed, he is saying most of our premiership side came from that era, that is completely untrue and made up. We weren't stocking up on any picks, utter garbage to say we were. In fact we were actually hit harder than most by being down the bottom during that time and having to watch Melbourne & Carlton receive picks they weren't entitled too. Not Richmond's fault we picked smartly on just a handful of players.That was his point.
And then while they were paying off for you the rebuilding clubs trying to catch up were denied the same opportunities.
He said the base.No his point is flawed, he is saying most of our premiership side came from that era, that is completely untrue and made up.
He said "stocked up on multiple high picks which formed the base" we did no such thing stocking up on multiple picks.He said the base.
It's hard to argue that Martin, Cotchin and Riewoldt weren't a significant part of your premiership success. And then the good timing of FA coming in while you were at the top getting you Lynch too.
both are extremely low chances, but the 8 of 10 non vic clubs won is statistically less likely than the 12 of 14 vic clubs won. the 8 of 10 was a 0.015% statistical chance, and the 12 of 14 a 0.028% statistical chance. That makes the interstate dominance for 10 years more significant as it is statistically half as likely to happen.2007 to 2020 non Victorians have won 2 of 14.
2001- Brisbane Premiers2007 to 2020 non Victorians have won 2 of 14.
Pretty ironic.This is a parody response too right?
GWS entered the comp in 2012, Gold Coast entered the comp in 2011.
Last time Richmond had a pick in the top 10 - 2012 pick 9 for Nick Vlastuin, & Pick 6 for Reece Conca in 2010.
Most of our premiership players were late picks, rookie picks or traded players. Our "Stars" such as Martin, Cotchin & Riewoldt all came much earlier than any talk of the expansion team joining the comp so you cant say any team was compromised during that period because if anything check the facts Carlton and Melbourne actually received better picks (compensation) than us when we were so called stocking up on picks.
Your theory has as many holes in it as swiss cheese. Do your homework before you talk nonsense. LOL
Stock pilling picks which formed the base of our dominance? LMAO
Try again, your theory is shithouse.
The reason i take angst against his post is because its wrong, i have listed the players that made up our 2017 premiership side in my original post, he said we stocked up on picks that lead to our dominance, that is stretching the truth. Its totally untrue and said just to make his argument sound valid. You cant actually even include Rance in this theory because he only played in 1 of our 3 flags. 1 flag isn't dominance.Pretty ironic.
You diss the theory that you have obviously misunderstood.
The theory is you got talent in the door just BEFORE the expansion teams came in.
When the expansion teams came in they watered down the talent for everyone else.
Melbourne and Carlton are irrelevant.
The point is whoever was able to get I. Good talent just before the expansion teams would get an advantage down the track because the competition was watered down.
It's a totally viable and reasonable hypothesis.
Also no reason why you'd be salty about it.
You still needed to do everything right to capitalise.
But it does explain why the Hawks and Tiges manages to win flags in bunches of three.
I dare say we won't see any team win in a bunch of three anytime soon.
Martin Cotchin Edwards Riewoldt.The reason i take angst against his post is because its wrong, i have listed the players that made up our 2017 premiership side in my original post, he said we stocked up on picks that lead to our dominance, that is stretching the truth. Its totally untrue and said just to make his argument sound valid. You cant actually even include Rance in this theory because he only played in 1 of our 3 flags. 1 flag isn't dominance.
Riewoldt was pick 13 .. so now we are just including any 1st round pick? lolMartin Cotchin Edwards Riewoldt.
You had a nice young core just when the expansion teams .
Doesn't mean U still didn't do great with later picks.
The point is no club got enough charity picks to catch you besides GWS who were given a zillion first round picks.
And look how that panned out!
The pick number is irrelevant.Riewoldt was pick 13 .. so now we are just including any 1st round pick? lol
Most of our young core came about once the expansion teams were already here.
You cant say Hawthorn and Richmond were the only teams that benefited from expansion sides during that time, your mob was doing pretty well when hawthorn were up and about and you had a very similar age demograhic at the time, the dogs who won in 2016 had a strong list that you could also say contain benefits from the expansion sides just because they didnt go on to win 3 flags doesnt mean only Hawthorn & Richmond benefited. How did the dogs get Macrae? go look it up.
There were other factors that led to both the hawks and Richmond winning 3 flags but hey lets just say it was because of expansion teams, utter crap.
I wont argue anymore I get his point and yours but i just take exception to the fact he said we stocked up on picks before they came into the comp. That is wrong.The pick number is irrelevant.
I seriously think U have missed the point.
The point is U had some good young players around 2009.
And it then got harder for other clubs to find enough good players during the expansion era.
That's the whole theory.
Also doesn't cheapen your flags in any way.
As you said Melbourne and Carlton had these opportunities but blew them.
It was only epic because your team played in it and it was a close game. In the history of Grand finals it was too low scoring to be epic.There haven't been a non-Victorian Grand Final since that 2006 West Coast-Sydney epic.
Yep fair enough.I wont argue anymore I get his point and yours but i just take exception to the fact he said we stocked up on picks before they came into the comp. That is wrong.