Entertainment & Music Video Ezy

[DTRAIN87]

tl;dr
So I'm happy for you to put your theory to the test, if you doubt the things I see that happen on a daily basis.
Again, whatever excuse you want to give, if you **** with debt collection agencies and Veda, it will come back to haint you when you don't want it.
But you've had a parking ticket so carry on....

LOL after reading into it both legally and obtaining advice from my law professor to confirm my knowledge and understanding, a court order must be obtained to alter your VEda history. Therefore no matter how much you **** with debt collectors they still have the obligation to demonstrate why they should be allowed to take action on VEDa for your failure to pay. Any failure to do thgis can result in a fine of $75,000 maximum being imposed on the agency.

Here is the statute for your information http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/pa1988108/s18r.html.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Oh I really think you're wrong.

 

[THRILLHO]

Oh I really think you're wrong!

 

[TRAWP]

My beef would be getting a $800 bill for a video thats late 2 days.

Interest on a returned DVD, who knew?

 

[Dan Moody]

LOL after reading into it both legally and obtaining advice from my law professor to confirm my knowledge and understanding, a court order must be obtained to alter your VEda history. Therefore no matter how much you **** with debt collectors they still have the obligation to demonstrate why they should be allowed to take action on VEDa for your failure to pay. Any failure to do thgis can result in a fine of $75,000 maximum being imposed on the agency.

Here is the statute for your information http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/pa1988108/s18r.html.

I don't doubt your Law Professor but to be perfectly blunt, we're talking "real life" here. The simple facts are, banks and lending institutions will receive this information about your credit file whenever you make an application for credit and will decline the application. You can tell all the stories you want and give every excuse under the sun to the bank for the default being on your file but ultimately it's up to you to get it removed and not the bank or business that put it on there in the first place.
I don't see anyone threatening these companies with legal action when they are being prevented from borrowing because of it, they are as desperate as all **** to get it removed.
As far as the court order goes, of course businesses get these before they submit a default action to Veda. That was never the question.
I witness this on a daily basis, challenge the system if you want by stretching out your debts just to prove a point but ultimately, if they decide to pull the trigger it can have an effect on your ability to borrow money at some stage in the future.
Say hi to your Law professor for me

 

[DTRAIN87]

Oh I really think you're wrong.

Why am I wrong? The law was changed to stop organisations being able to exploit people's credit history without having justifiable merit to do so. Mobile companies in the past were trying to make people's credit ratings drop because for some reason their direct debit failed (not their fault) and they paid by credit card or eftpos instead. Try submitting a VEDA application without having proof that you have fulfilled all obligations to make someone pay and see how far you get.

 

[raskolnikov]

Video shops are close to extinction and only the specialist stores will survive.

Rubbish. Friends of mine own the local video store and have done for the last twenty years. They say business has never been better.

 

[TRAWP]

Rubbish. Friends of mine own the local video store and have done for the last twenty years. They say business has never been better.

You wouldn't really want to tell a friend that you're going broke and will have to file for bankruptcy though.

 

[matty_hawk]

Civic in Point cook is the best video shop i have seen. If you are having issues with your local and you are in that area, drop into that place.

 

[BigKahunaBlue]

Interest on a returned DVD, who knew?

The fines are on par with lost income on that rental. I thought this was clear cut. It's not they are out to make profits with the amount they charge in fines.

And piracy aint theft. The film/music industry would like us to believe it is but it aint.

TBH I couldn't careless if I pirated a big blockbuster movie or popular record, because i am doing damage to the major record label who has already ****ed over the artists anyway and just using my piracy as an excuse to cover up their treatment of said artists.

I do however pay for smaller productions but again any major record label can start a smaller label and make sure no one knows it's owned by them.

So yeah stuff em all, either record companies and video stores update their business models or they can just put up with it OR die.

 

[Dont be a lemon]

I last perused a video shop about 9 months ago but haven't rented anything from one since probably 2009 if not earlier.

Video shops tend to have limited content outside of 'Hollywood mainstream' films, plus scratches and limited blu-ray (though the later probably changing fast) offerings. Torrenting is good (both in diversity and cost), though I download many more TV series than I do films.

TheBlondeBomber, please explain how piracy is theft.

 

[TRAWP]

The fines are on par with lost income on that rental. I thought this was clear cut. It's not they are out to make profits with the amount they charge in fines.

Oh so they lost $800 of me being 1 day overdue? Damn boy I'm opening a Video Ezy!

 

[BigKahunaBlue]

Oh so they lost $800 of me being 1 day overdue? Damn boy I'm opening a Video Ezy!

Dunno where you pulled 800 bucks from!

Maybe from a rental that is two months overdue?

 

[TRAWP]

Dunno where you pulled 800 bucks from!

Maybe from a rental that is two months overdue?

I stated before I had an overdue rental by one day. I moved houses and didnt use that store anymore. 8 months later recieve a letter from collections agency stating I owe 800 odd dollars. I called them and informed them what happened but they wished to pursue. Told them to see me in court and havent heard from them to this day.

 

[BigKahunaBlue]

I stated before I had an overdue rental by one day. I moved houses and didnt use that store anymore. 8 months later recieve a letter from collections agency stating I owe 800 odd dollars. I called them and informed them what happened but they wished to pursue. Told them to see me in court and havent heard from them to this day.

Doesn't sound right. More like it you moved and took the rental with you.

I don't think they have the right to impose interest on outstanding fines? I had a 10 buck fine from VE a few years ago and when i went to use them a year ago i still had to pay that 10 bucks fine from a few years earlier.

 

[TRAWP]

Doesn't sound right. More like it you moved and took the rental with you.

I don't think they have the right to impose interest on outstanding fines? I had a 10 buck fine from VE a few years ago and when i went to use them a year ago i still had to pay that 10 bucks fine from a few years earlier.

They do indeed impose interest, I had the store confirm that it was returned. The interest was for the overdue fine not being paid. It started from $5 and made it's way to $800.

 

[BomberFletch31]

Doesn't make it any less illegal ...

Why? Because you're robbing people of income.

Precisely.

Look, I don't give a shit if people want to split hairs between piracy and theft. But the bottom line is, piracy is taking something (loss of chance, income) that doesn't belong to you. Theft is taking something (physical property) that doesn't belong to you.

And piracy aint theft. The film/music industry would like us to believe it is but it aint.

TBH I couldn't careless if I pirated a big blockbuster movie or popular record, because i am doing damage to the major record label who has already ****ed over the artists anyway and just using my piracy as an excuse to cover up their treatment of said artists.

I do however pay for smaller productions but again any major record label can start a smaller label and make sure no one knows it's owned by them.

It's irrelevant whether a person or a corporation is rich or poor. Piracy costs money - whether it be 0.1% of their gross income or 20% of their gross income, it still costs them money, and it's still illegal.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

BomberFletch31: "This is the home of Lars Ulrich, the drummer for Metallica. Look. There's Lars now, sitting by his pool."

Me: "What's the matter with him?"

BomberFletch31: "This month he was hoping to have a gold-plated shark tank bar installed right next to the pool, but thanks to people downloading his music for free, he must now wait a few months before he can afford it."

 

[blues4flag]

BomberFletch31: "This is the home of Lars Ulrich, the drummer for Metallica. Look. There's Lars now, sitting by his pool."

Me: "What's the matter with him?"

BomberFletch31: "This month he was hoping to have a gold-plated shark tank bar installed right next to the pool, but thanks to people downloading his music for free, he must now wait a few months before he can afford it."

So being successful is a reason to illegally obtain someone's intellectual property, is it? Let me guess, it's wrong to download the music of an up and coming indie band for free?

It's human nature, in this world where morals are constantly denegrating. We do it because everyone else is and even though we know deep down it's wrong, we'll throw up some pissweak strawman argument and try to justify it.

If it doesn't mess with your head and the authorities do **** all to stop it, go for your life. Everyone else downloads stuff illegally, after all. Just don't come on here and try to claim that there's nothing wrong with it.

 

[TRAWP]

Lol, so you're saying if you burn a movie it's flat out illegal. First to my knowledge

 

[Thrawn]

I guess it must have been wrong to record episodes of Seinfeld on video cassette back in the day when you were going to miss the episode.

 

[BomberFletch31]

Lol, so you're saying if you burn a movie it's flat out illegal. First to my knowledge

I guess it must have been wrong to record episodes of Seinfeld on video cassette back in the day when you were going to miss the episode.

Making a copy for private and domestic use is not illegal. Broadcasting, distributing or selling the copied footage is illegal.

It is not illegal to record an episode of whatever crap you want if you're going to miss it. However, it is illegal if you:

• Sell it
• Hire it out
• Broadcast it to an audience at a public place
• Distribute copies of the tape
• Upload it to the internet

 

[nicky]

So being successful is a reason to illegally obtain someone's intellectual property, is it? Let me guess, it's wrong to download the music of an up and coming indie band for free?
it.

Funnily enough the smaller artists are the ones who encourage file sharing and free download sites as it gives them exposure.

 

[nicky]

So being successful is a reason to illegally obtain someone's intellectual property, is it? Let me guess, it's wrong to download the music of an up and coming indie band for free?
it.

Funnily enough the smaller artists are the ones who encourage file sharing and free download sites as it gives them exposure.


Gee, Big companies want a free market until it starts to fk them over, then they want a government to step in. Fact of the matter is they should have seen file share coming and done something about it. Rather than sue the pants off music lovers.

 

[blues4flag]

Funnily enough the smaller artists are the ones who encourage file sharing and free download sites as it gives them exposure.


Gee, Big companies want a free market until it starts to fk them over, then they want a government to step in. Fact of the matter is they should have seen file share coming and done something about it. Rather than sue the pants off music lovers.

First point is another weak argument, like all in defence of piracy. I'm sure you're intentions are philanthropic but until said company gives you permission, you're stealing their intellectual property.

Music lovers? Me thinks true music lovers will realise that by illegally downloading music, they're hurting the industry they claim to love. Regardless of the split between record company and artist.