Politics Violence against Nazis, acceptable?

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So the filter we screen with guarantees better people than existing Australians will be let into the country? That’s a big call. I wouldn’t say that is true of a number of nationalities. It certainly isn’t true of the Lebanese that were admitted in the 70s, not the Pakistanis that emigrated to the UK.
Oiiiii easy there champ. My old man is getting on in age but he'll still knock you out uleh...
 

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Shouldn’t citizenship mean something?
It's a thought experiment. I am not advocating we actually kick out undesirables. I am pointing out that an immigrant group, even if it has people who go on to commit crime, is not likely to make society worse, because the known deadbeats will be excluded, unlike society as a whole.

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It's a thought experiment. I am not advocating we actually kick out undesirables. I am pointing out that an immigrant group, even if it has people who go on to commit crime, is not likely to make society worse, because the known deadbeats will be excluded, unlike society as a whole.

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Why can’t citizenship mean something in the thought experiment?

What’s the purpose of a state if it can’t guarantee protections for its citizens?
 

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Why can’t citizenship mean something in the thought experiment?

What’s the purpose of a state if it can’t guarantee protections for its citizens?
A thought experiment is to make you think by giving examples not possible in the real world. Otherwise it's just a proposition.

An immovable object meeting an irresistible force is a thought experiment. I don't have to have an actual irresistible force to make that postulation.

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A thought experiment is to make you think by giving examples not possible in the real world. Otherwise it's just a proposition.
Yes, but the purpose of a thought experiment is to explore the full implications. Eg if a state could cut its worst 10% citizens each year like a multinational, what implications would that have for the state?

Why would anyone pay taxes in said state, for instance?

An immovable object meeting an irresistible force is a thought experiment.
No, that’s a riddle.
 

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Yes, but the purpose of a thought experiment is to explore the full implications. Eg if a state could cut its worst 10% citizens each year like a multinational, what implications would that have for the state?

Why would anyone pay taxes in said state, for instance?
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You know when people talk about “not integrating” they’re not talking about a family from Pakenham Upper going back to Victoria because they can’t stand the humidity in Brisbane.
Irrelevant example, no real citizen of Gods country (Pakenham) would have left in the first place, more like they were faux imposters trying to fool you :D
 

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You mean Stormfront, the white supremacist website where like-minded neo-Nazis congregate to share thoughts on the foreign powers that conspire to dilute and weaken our great European nation?

Or Smerff Electrical, the Nazi tradie, proud defender of white heritage with competitive pricing for all your electrical needs?

Nothing - why?
 
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You mean Stormfront, the white supremacist website where like-minded neo-Nazis congregate to share thoughts on the foreign powers that conspire to dilute and weaken our great European nation?

Or Smerff Electrical, the Nazi tradie, proud defender of white heritage with competitive pricing for all your electrical needs?

Nothing - why?
Why all the advertising for them?
 

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If after today, you don't understand why it's acceptable to punch nazis in the face, there is no hope for you!
Did you see Fraser Annings post? Basically said it showed the link between Muslim immigration and violence. Most disgraceful senator in decades and prime candidate for a punch in the face.

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If after today, you don't understand why it's acceptable to punch nazis in the face, there is no hope for you!
Fighting violence with violence is not the answer. All it does is ensure that the original violent perpetrators (in this instance it is nazis) get more motivation.
 

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If after today, you don't understand why it's acceptable to punch nazis in the face, there is no hope for you!
No, you got it wrong, it's NOT acceptable, the problem you see but fail to (self)diagnose, is solipsistic* authoritarianism, by terrorists, or far right, or clergy, or neo-nazi(s).

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Fighting violence with violence is not the answer. All it does is ensure that the original violent perpetrators (in this instance it is nazis) get more motivation.
The police response to the Christchurch incident was itself an act of `violence`. If it makes you feel better, replace punch to the face with, police issue mace sprayed to the face. This lets you off the hook.
 

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Today this scum was doing his equivalent of punching a nazi.
and therein lies the problem.

Allowing people to both self define and punch the 'bad guys' leaves a huge opening for the question of 'who are the bad guys?'.


Also, even if it was clearly defined...if 'nazis' know they're going to get punched anyway, why wouldn't they preemptively attack those they don't like?
 
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and therein lies the problem.

Allowing people to both self define and punch the 'bad guys' leaves a huge opening for the question of 'who are the bad guys?'.


Also, even if it was clearly defined...if 'nazis' know they're going to get punched anyway, why wouldn't they preemptively attack those they don't like?
There is also the literal ramification of causing brain damage (CTE) to a political extremist, often resulting in less cohesive thought control and heightened levels of aggression.
 
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