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The far left have been so far indoctrinated that they can't see they are actually become a mirror of the Nazi party.

When that party started, it was all about socialism (just like the left). They then targeted a large section of the community to place blame on (men for the left). They started posting misinformation to the masses (the left do this by deliberately wording questions on "studies" in order to deliver an outcome. They also love to carefully edit clips to show the victim as the aggressor)
Then they started advocating for the eradication of their opponent (Which is where we are currently at).

History is literally repeating itself
 

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A lot of people probably don't even know that Nazism is an abbreviated form of National Socialism.

Sure it's not your garden variety first year uni lets all hold hands socialism, but they were hardly rampant capitalists.
 

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History is literally repeating itself
And by extension will eat itself as it has previously. If I could put it simply Extreme idealogues are a result of a minority not happy with the views of the majority even though they couldn't possibly find better outcome without cost and in the end will implode through their own illogic.

Things like "me too", "woke" etc. begin for a reason and although there's nothing wrong with the sentiment for the reason. The methods are usually radical and extreme and then lack any logic............... and implode in the end just like the nazi party.
 

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The far left have been so far indoctrinated that they can't see they are actually become a mirror of the Nazi party.

When that party started, it was all about socialism (just like the left). They then targeted a large section of the community to place blame on (men for the left). They started posting misinformation to the masses (the left do this by deliberately wording questions on "studies" in order to deliver an outcome. They also love to carefully edit clips to show the victim as the aggressor)
Then they started advocating for the eradication of their opponent (Which is where we are currently at).

History is literally repeating itself
It's a bit of a stretch, but I like it.
 

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A lot of people probably don't even know that Nazism is an abbreviated form of National Socialism.

Sure it's not your garden variety first year uni lets all hold hands socialism, but they were hardly rampant capitalists.
In 1933 one of the first things Hitler did was ban trade unions, then shortly afterwards he banned strike activity. The Reichstag fire was specifically aimed at eliminating the communist movement in Germany.

He was no socialist. If people are that easily fooled by labels, I have some bad news about the democratic republic of Korea.
 

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In 1933 one of the first things Hitler did was ban trade unions, then shortly afterwards he banned strike activity. The Reichstag fire was specifically aimed at eliminating the communist movement in Germany.

He was no socialist. If people are that easily fooled by labels, I have some bad news about the democratic republic of Korea.
At no stage did I mention Hitler in my post. I mentioned where the name of his party came from. A party that started before he joined.

1933 was when Hitler became Chancellor. He first joined the party in 1919 and was leader in 1925. Once leader he set about turning Germany into a single party state, abolishing unions, political parties and anyone else who got in his way. He offed members of his own party who presented a threat.

The National Socialist Program was effectively a manifesto for creating a German utopia for the benefit of all Germans. As I said, they were hardly rampant capitalists. What they became was rampant nationalists and their focus became about who was and wasn't German and where Germany started and finished.

  • We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
  • We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
  • We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare
  • We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
  • We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
If you can't see socialist roots in this stuff then you have at least one eye closed.
 

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The mess of Germany after WW1 meant there was a lot of flux between different groups. Eg people call themselves democratic socialists these days thinking that’s a nice cuddly version of socialism, but the first demoratic socialists assassinated people in Germany.
 

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In 1933 one of the first things Hitler did was ban trade unions, then shortly afterwards he banned strike activity. The Reichstag fire was specifically aimed at eliminating the communist movement in Germany.

He was no socialist.
Er Lech Walesa was a unionist. As for eliminating communist movement see Bolsheviks vs Mensheviks, Stalin vs Trotsky.

If you can't see socialist roots in this stuff then you have at least one eye closed.
Emphasis on "at least".
 

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At no stage did I mention Hitler in my post. I mentioned where the name of his party came from. A party that started before he joined.
Hitler is synonymous with Nazism, I though that was obvious.

1933 was when Hitler became Chancellor. He first joined the party in 1919 and was leader in 1925. Once leader he set about turning Germany into a single party state, abolishing unions, political parties and anyone else who got in his way. He offed members of his own party who presented a threat.

The National Socialist Program was effectively a manifesto for creating a German utopia for the benefit of all Germans. As I said, they were hardly rampant capitalists. What they became was rampant nationalists and their focus became about who was and wasn't German and where Germany started and finished.
A political leader lying to obtain a foothold on power? Blow me down with a feather. Let us consider what he actually did shall we?

(Hitler) was wholly ignorant of any formal understanding of the principles of economics. For him, as he stated to the industrialists, economics was of secondary importance, entirely subordinated to politics. His crude social-Darwinism dictated his approach to the economy, as it did his entire political “world-view.” Since struggle among nations would be decisive for future survival, Germany’s economy had to be subordinated to the preparation, then carrying out, of this struggle. This meant that liberal ideas of economic competition had to be replaced by the subjection of the economy to the dictates of the national interest. Similarly, any “socialist” ideas in the Nazi programme had to follow the same dictates. Hitler was never a socialist. But although he upheld private property, individual entrepreneurship, and economic competition, and disapproved of trade unions and workers’ interference in the freedom of owners and managers to run their concerns, the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was, therefore, left in place. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state.
(Quote is from Ian Kershaw).

There has been some uncomfortable revisionism in the past decade by people (mostly US conservatives) trying to distance white-nationalism from the most prominent example of white-nationalism in the 20th century being followed to it's logical conclusion, but that doesn't make it correct.

See Otto Strassler as an example.
 

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"Hitler was never a socialist. But although he upheld private property, individual entrepreneurship, and economic competition, and disapproved of trade unions and workers’ interference in the freedom of owners and managers to run their concerns, the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was, therefore, left in place"
Upheld private property? Freedom of owners and managers to run their concerns? Bit of a stretch (and thats ignoring Kristillnacht)

Reichswerke Hermann Göring was a huge company that grew by expropriating assets. Not to mention that his last sentence is completely contradictory ie if the state determines economic development then it can hardly be called capitalism.
 

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At no stage did I mention Hitler in my post. I mentioned where the name of his party came from. A party that started before he joined.

1933 was when Hitler became Chancellor. He first joined the party in 1919 and was leader in 1925. Once leader he set about turning Germany into a single party state, abolishing unions, political parties and anyone else who got in his way. He offed members of his own party who presented a threat.

The National Socialist Program was effectively a manifesto for creating a German utopia for the benefit of all Germans. As I said, they were hardly rampant capitalists. What they became was rampant nationalists and their focus became about who was and wasn't German and where Germany started and finished.

If you can't see socialist roots in this stuff then you have at least one eye closed.
So they started out socialist. They then became nationalists, and much more dangerous. So the danger is socialism, or nationalism?

Because modern nationalists are right wing.

You ignore the context of the times. The very fact they switched so completely to nationalism suggests most of them were not really socialist to start with, they were just following anybody who said they had a way out of the **** they were all in.

To draw parallels with modern politics is disengenious, but if you had to, it should be that nationalism is dangerous.

The Nazis were socialists line is normally pedalled by the, Left wing root of all evil, brigade. Trying to draw attention from the danger posed by nationalism.

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Does it matter whether Hitler was a left wing or not, when Mao and Stalin definitely were.
Does it matter they were left wing when the dangers we face come in the form of radical theology and Ultra nationalism?

For the record, I hate ultra nationalism, wether it's left or right.

If violent communism rears its head, we should fight that to, and no antifa is not violent communism.

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Does it matter they were left wing when the dangers we face come in the form of radical theology and Ultra nationalism?

For the record, I hate ultra nationalism, wether it's left or right.

If violent communism rears its head, we should fight that to, and no antifa is not violent communism.

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Which country is currently locking up a million plus Muslims?
 

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hahahaha what a stupid picture. Giving actual Nazis power by branding innocent things like the OK sign and a ****ing cartoon frog as being hate symbols just because a few of them use those memes unironically is playing right into their hands. You're showing them that they have the power to make anything a hate symbol. That's the whole point of the clown meme. If something as stupid as a frog wearing LGBT colours and honking his nose can scare the media enough that they turn it into a legitimate hate symbol that needs to be banned, then nothing is safe.
 

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hahahaha what a stupid picture. Giving actual Nazis power by branding innocent things like the OK sign and a ****ing cartoon frog as being hate symbols just because a few of them use those memes unironically is playing right into their hands. You're showing them that they have the power to make anything a hate symbol. That's the whole point of the clown meme. If something as stupid as a frog wearing LGBT colours and honking his nose can scare the media enough that they turn it into a legitimate hate symbol that needs to be banned, then nothing is safe.
Soft downhill skier lives in an internet fantasyland where Clementine Ford is the Emperor, Andrew Bolt is her eunich slave, and all the white people have been killed by antifa freedom fighters.

He refuses to sleep with white bed sheets coz KKK.
 

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hahahaha what a stupid picture. Giving actual Nazis power by branding innocent things like the OK sign and a ****ing cartoon frog as being hate symbols just because a few of them use those memes unironically is playing right into their hands. You're showing them that they have the power to make anything a hate symbol. That's the whole point of the clown meme. If something as stupid as a frog wearing LGBT colours and honking his nose can scare the media enough that they turn it into a legitimate hate symbol that needs to be banned, then nothing is safe.
 
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