Politics Violence against Nazis, acceptable?

[WA ROO]

Surely egging is a fair compromise.

Standard gutless attack from behind

 

[Chief]

It’s always good!

 

[AbrahamS]

Reads like some Reductio ad Hitlerum has been going on.

 

[Dan]

I cringe when I hear the term 'nazi' being labelled at a person/group of people.

Particularly when its put on Trump. He's many things....but a nazi?

 

[jatz14]

I cringe when I hear the term 'nazi' being labelled at a person/group of people.

Particularly when its put on Trump. He's many things....but a nazi?

Nazis are nasty, but they have a coherent philosophy. Evil, dumb, but coherent. On most issues, you can tell in advance what position a Nazi would take. Trump is not coherent, he doesn't have a philosophy beyond self interest. Unless you can see where his self interest lies, its almost impossible to tell how he will react in any given situation. So no, not a Nazi, although he would certainly act like one, it that was where he perceived his interests to lie.

 

[Benny78]

What about towards the great nephews of Nazis?

 

[Malifice]

hahahaha what a stupid picture. Giving actual Nazis power by branding innocent things like the OK sign and a ****ing cartoon frog as being hate symbols just because a few of them use those memes unironically is playing right into their hands. You're showing them that they have the power to make anything a hate symbol. That's the whole point of the clown meme. If something as stupid as a frog wearing LGBT colours and honking his nose can scare the media enough that they turn it into a legitimate hate symbol that needs to be banned, then nothing is safe.

It's not the media that turn them into 'hate symbols'. It's the idiots themselves that turn them into hate symbols.

The alt right is full of both trolls and white nationalists and neo nazis (and combinations of all the above). Trolling memes have accordingly been co-opted by the neo-nazis and white nationalists as a consequence.

See also: The Christchurch clown. His political manifesto literally contained numerous references to alt-right memes. The deluded * genuinely thought himself part of a movement about white nationalism and shitposting like the two were part of the same deal.

It also normalizes far right wing thought and behavior (hate speech, ultra nationalism, white supremacy, antisemitism, sexism, homophobia and misogyny), and strengthens white nationalists and neo-nazi movements.

If you're the kind of dick that posts Pepe memes, Trump bullshit, milk drinking and Ok symbols and bullshit like that, you're part of the ******* problem. You're feeding into the very movement that churns out pond scum like Tarrant.

 

[Jobe Watson]

It's not the media that turn them into 'hate symbols'. It's the idiots themselves that turn them into hate symbols.

The alt right is full of both trolls and white nationalists and neo nazis (and combinations of all the above). Trolling memes have accordingly been co-opted by the neo-nazis and white nationalists as a consequence.

See also: The Christchurch clown. His political manifesto literally contained numerous references to alt-right memes. The deluded **** genuinely thought himself part of a movement about white nationalism and shitposting like the two were part of the same deal.

It also normalizes far right wing thought and behavior (hate speech, ultra nationalism, white supremacy, antisemitism, sexism, homophobia and misogyny), and strengthens white nationalists and neo-nazi movements.

If you're the kind of dick that posts Pepe memes, Trump ********, milk drinking and Ok symbols and ******** like that, you're part of the ******* problem. You're feeding into the very movement that churns out pond scum like Tarrant.

The Daily Stormer used to have Taylor Swift in their header. Neo-Nazis worship her as a "queen" and an example of the perfect Aryan woman. There are plenty of fake Swifty memes attributing Hilter quotes to her. Does listening to Taylor Swift now promote and normalise hate?

Pepe the Frog was used way before Neo-Nazis got a hold of it. It was and still is used all over the internet and takes many forms, the overwhelming majority of which have nothing to do with anything hateful. Same with the OK sign. It gained popularity for the 'circle game' on Malcolm in the Middle way back in the early 00s. I used to play it with my friends in primary school ffs... that's how long it's been around. It's still used as a "gotchya" gesture; a silly little joke you'd expect to see someone do when they are photobombing a picture.

The hysterical media help to give white supremacists power. A baseball fan recently got banned from a stadium for life for daring to photobomb a live news broadcast with the "OK sign". It was an obvious nod to the 'circle game' but the stadium instead misconstrued it as a nod to Nazis, no doubt thanks to the media's misinformed belief that it is a hand gesture used exclusively among white supremacists. This dude could have (and probably did - I haven't checked up on the story) lost his job and be labelled as a racist for doing an innocent gesture that was popularised by a kids show. Many moderate people will look at this as just another example of the liberal media fostering an overly politically correct society, which could lead to them seeking out far right provocateurs who don't play by those rules.

Again, if you want to allow neo-Nazis to co-opt any symbol they want to turn into a hate symbol - such as Taylor Swift - then you are giving them an extraordinary amount of power. Most of the reporting on "hate memes" is done by middle-aged journos who have no idea about internet culture. You really have to look at the context of these things. By labelling every use of Pepe as hateful, every use of the OK sign as racist... you're just playing right into their hands. The media ignorantly labelling everything they don't quite understand as hateful and giving airtime to the views of white supremacists just emboldens them - and plenty of researchers agree with this.

 

[CM86]

In Hinduism, the symbol with arms pointing clockwise (卐) is called swastika, symbolizing surya ('sun'), prosperity and good luck.



Also, the cult of Kek...

 

[Taylor]

It would be so convenient if there were lots of Nazis around. Nazi doesn't require justification of your position, Nazi doesn't require you consider their position. You can instantly dismiss anything and everything they say that disagrees with you. You aren't required to treat them with respect.

That's why it would be convenient, that's why it gets thrown around so much.

That's why there aren't actually as many as made out.

 

[HairyO]

It would be so convenient if there were lots of Nazis around. Nazi doesn't require justification of your position, Nazi doesn't require you consider their position. You can instantly dismiss anything and everything they say that disagrees with you. You aren't required to treat them with respect.

That's why it would be convenient, that's why it gets thrown around so much.

That's why there aren't actually as many as made out.

Plenty enough can be found on the left too.

Hatred of Jews and wanting to lock up dissenters. Certainly sounds like early 1930s Germany.

Of course these lefties dress it up and defend it as a moral right, unlike the Na.... oh wait.

 

[Elroo]

It appears that Nazis are more gobby than handy with their fists:

 

[Power Raid]

It appears that Nazis are more gobby than handy with their fists:

I don't like violence but this guy deserved it

hopefully the police track him down and charge him for "inciting violence"



PS> I hope he has a mental issue as a defence of his behaviour

 

[thecatattack]

only good fascist is a dead one

 

[demondavey]

I guess that is the crux of the question though: when you're dealing with a thoroughly undemocratic movement like the far right, whether they're Nazi dweebs or ISIS headcutters, at what point is it self defence? Is it not better to act early and prevent them taking over? This was the mistake the communists made in Germany in the 30's, they didnt take the Nazi's seriously enough and as a result gave them too much time to destroy democracy.

Hitler himself admitted the only way to stop Nazis (and ISIS are basically the same thing politically) is to act with force and act early.

No.

Never. The only way society shows they are above what they did is to not stoop to that level.

 

[demondavey]

I don't like violence but this guy deserved it

hopefully the police track him down and charge him for "inciting violence"



PS> I hope he has a mental issue as a defence of his behaviour

This simple act would only give an excuse for right wing extremists to act against innocent people. This act itself could have killed the guy, you’d be ruining your own life for the hit. That guy went down and didn’t look good. Even then you’ve got a pretty serious assault.

It’s just all round bad.

 

[demondavey]

Both my grandfathers approved of this.

As did mine, however in an act of war, not in 21st century peace time when we have no direct conflict with Nazis.

 

[Gough]

As did mine, however in an act of war, not in 21st century peace time when we have no direct conflict with Nazis.

I've no issue with a bit of percussive persuasion against a Nazi. History suggests it's the only way they learn.

 

[Augmented Boat]

Violence against Ukranians would be better. Their behavior during the 1920's makes my skin crawl compared to nazi germany

 

[demondavey]

I've no issue with a bit of percussive persuasion against a Nazi. History suggests it's the only way they learn.

Look, if they need some old fashioned phone book treatment for some persuasion to divulge information then I won’t lose any sleep. I’d draw the line at placing their front teeth on a curb however

 

[Eagle Wrath]

Oooh Nazis. Has someone spotted one yet?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Oooh Nazis. Has someone spotted one yet?

I just saw a wrath of eagles!!!!

 

[00Stinger]

what I don't get it that what people refer to as a Nazi isn't even what a Nazi is/was.

It is almost a term that super progressive left people use to call anyone who doesn't pander to their beliefs. In which case, which of those two is really the Nazi, the person not conforming or the person who is trying to make someone conform?

The other thing that amazes me is when did it become the norm for the media to run articles/videos celebrating people being assaulted? What sort of example does that set for children?

With the post a few up of the racist dude getting ko'ed. Yeah he was being a ***** and probably got what he deserved, but is it seriously a good thing for new sites to run with the footage celebrating someone effectively being king hit?

 

[Power Raid]

This simple act would only give an excuse for right wing extremists to act against innocent people. This act itself could have killed the guy, you’d be ruining your own life for the hit. That guy went down and didn’t look good. Even then you’ve got a pretty serious assault.

It’s just all round bad.

So true

One punch can change so many lives. The two people involved and all their friends and families.



A navy mate was walking in a group with boys and girls. He was assaulted from behind as 5 drunk men attacked.

One of the 5 men leapt onto the navy guys back. The navy guy half gave way and half twisted to get the guy off his back. Being drunk the guy fell off his back and with a thud cracked his head on the gutter.....dead.



Court cases, funeral, grieving etc etc....just needless, just a waste

 

[Malifice]

what I don't get it that what people refer to as a Nazi isn't even what a Nazi is/was.

It is almost a term that super progressive left people use to call anyone who doesn't pander to their beliefs.

I reserve the label for someone who either openly admits to being a National Socialist or identifies with the movement (i.e. rocking up to a rally carrying a Swastika flag, has an account on Stormfront, thinks Hitler was a good guy and the Holocaust was made up etc), or is in that same category even if they dont realise it (are National Socialists in all but name).

Trump isnt a Nazi, and neither are Dutton or Abbott or Morrison or Boris.