Does this make you Alt-Right too? The rest of the post is engaging in this very thing.
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I never said it was in reference to "Trump supporters on BF" and I was very clear. In response to AM pointing out Milo is clearly a BS artist, yet heralded:
So I'm clearly referring to the spokespeople of the alt right. You then mentioned that similar comments had been made about you and others. I would back those comments in those situations. When people are on here a lot and are then saying things that don't reflect real life, I will suggest they take their eyes off their phone/computer and have a look around. e.g. There's a whole thread saying you can't hit up women anymore for sex anymore without lawyers. It's clearly a wind-up, but some people legitimately have those opinions when in practice it's fairly obvious as to when you might be in a situation that sex is on the cards. Of course if you interact with people primarily online, and if those online people love trolling, such human interaction might start to be a mystery.
And, yes, Trump is clearly a part of the alt right. He helped spread conspiracy theories, he helped spread Islamophobia, he uses identity politics, and - most obviously - he is their pin-up boy. Trumps' "right-leaning libertarian views"? How about his left-leaning economic interventionism views? How about his authoritarian views (authoritarian being the opposite of libertarian on the political compass)? Etc.
No, it's not. Certainly some people would enjoy identifying as Alt Right, but it is stupid to claim anyone wanting to discuss the influence of those people as engaging in 'identity politics'. Technically you could say it is engaging 'with', but as stated above in the FK statement and reply, discussing things does not make you a part of those things.
Just food for thought given you were eager to categorise everyone in a group as a certain way. That's engaging in identity politics as far as I can see.
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Do you think those fields have a lot of ground to catch up on?
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Well at the risking of writing a snake swallowing it's own tail - when asked to categorise who is the 'alt right' it's hard to then not be categorising them "as a certain way". As I've said in the past, there are also, obviously, plenty of people who voted for Trump for good old-fashioned anti-immigrant sentiment, and plenty more groups who voted for him (e.g. Rustbelt people who wanted factories to return - hence why I was curious at FK claiming to not be alt-right because he actually like Trump's "right leaning libertarian views").
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The Alt Right is what the white identitarian movement called itself. It began as synonymous with the white identitarian, white nationalist, white supremacy movement and now seems have been hijacked by the left to use as an insult against right leaning individuals. The word has lost all meaning and can just be thought of as a slur if people are going to continue to call Trump alt-right despite him having no association with the white identitarian movement.
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I think less women are interested in those fields. No I don't think there's a male patriarchy holding them back from what they want to do if that's what you're implying..
HR departments have almost the exact same gender inequality (in reverse) as IT. Do you think there's measures in place to fix that?
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I can see why companies like Rio Tinto, BHP, Woodside, Shell etc implement female quotas. And its not purely to make the male/female employee split more 50-50.
Will we be lucky enough to hear what you see?
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They're teasing us by building up for a big conclusion....I can see 2 predicates there....But I'm not sure where they lead to.
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Coming from a STEM background yes it has been a ******* quagmire of sexism and harassment. Include currency trading in that. Pretty average industry with maths nerds on too much money.
Some places were far better than others, but even at the last “good” place I worked one of the owners gleefully told us how he loved doing guest Uni lectures because he could look up the skirts of female students.
The HR thing sounds like MRA whataboutism.
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I work with plenty of women in IT, most of them are great and they enjoy working with men. Maths nerds on too much, Wow can you be any more ignorant? TBH your whole story sounds made up.
That's the best you can come up with?
Not sure facts entirely back your argument there Chief. Take the City, far greater proportion of gay and ethnic employment than in the general population (and as a guess women in senior positions but not sure re that)
About as close to a real meritocracy as you can find. Sure elements of campaignerism are there (fx traders were known for it, the EURO though saw them sacked in droves) but not in general
As for overpaid??
Or the common sense view - most voted for him because Hilary is the biggest campaigner of modern politics by the length of Flemington straight. It was a turd vs a cesspit. Turd won.
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Nah. That's just stupid. But the most effective propaganda is negative propaganda and the Russian/Alt-Right/Wikileaks crap made up a shedload of stuff about Clinton. If she was as bad as you reckon, they wouldn't have had to make that stuff up, ay?
But then you don't really do detailed analysis, do you? You're more into never-ending character assassination attempts.
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This is an odd story. I work in engineering and construction and there is a lot of investment and energy to promote entry of women. Where did you work last where the owners said that?
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The reality is these companies have to. So much easier to do business when you have a more open minded workplace with a higher proportion of open minded and well rounded employees.
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True, some of the government contracts we work on require a gender equality policy or no dice.
Gotta celebrate diversity.
Except diversity of opinion or ideology, of course.
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Diversity of thought is celebrated.
Neo-nazism however has to be confronted.
You'd agree with this?
Of course. Topic of conversation had moved to more general terms.
Edit: Diversity of thought (or more accurately as I put it, ideology) is not actually welcome everywhere. The rest I agree with
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Are you referring to the Milo protesters as 'confronting neo-nazis' or something else?
Made up? Oh the humour. There is so much dirt on the Clintons its ridiculous.
Saying Hilary is clean is about as absurd as saying Wayne Swan can count to ten without use of his fingers
NO its not. Clowns everywhere want to stifle free speech. Look at the Quisling horde promoting vile nonsense like 18c.
Take David Irving for example. Nazi apologist. Now disgraced. Was it not better that his views were aired then demolished?
Further why isnt such a strong line taken on those who promote and apologise for socialism. Socialism in all its guises is utterly repulsive, why should one pick and choose over its different strains?
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My experience is 15 years out of date, though. It could all be a utopia of respect and tolerance these days.
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