Vive La Revolucion!

[Ernesto "Che" Guevara]

Vive La Revolucion!
Long life the Revolution!

It is good to see a fellow comrade challenge these capitalist fools in an Australian football forum of all places!

Alf, I salute you, keep up the fight. All is not lost, they will eventually see errors in their ways.

By the way, there's always a place for you in Havana with my mate Fidel if you so desire.

 

[AlfAndrews]

LET ME SAY ... AT THE RISK OF APPEARING RIDICULOUS ... THAT THE TRUE REVOLUTIONARY IS GUIDED BY STRONG FEELINGS OF LOVE ...

**viva Cuba libre**

 

[Frodo]

The true revolutionary goes round and round in circles

 

[kevin sooky]

Is Alf really Joan Coxedge in drag?

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

Is Kevin Sooky really just a Margaret Thatcher wannabe ?

 

[Carey_is_King]

Are there really people who still believe communism is the way to go ???

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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[AlfAndrews]

Are there still people who believe in the failed experiment of the market economy?

Love the weak
Respect the living

 

[TigerTank]

Are there still people who believe in the failed experiment of Socialism?

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TT - Obligatory bad-tempered Richmond supporter

 

[Carey_is_King]

Originally posted by AlfAndrews:
Are there still people who believe in the failed experiment of the market economy?

Love the weak
Respect the living

Alf,
As opposites, you and I, we both know we will never agree on this stuff, but it always intrigues me that the people who complain about the so-called market economy and globalisation etc all rely on the trappings of that economy to deliver their messages.
It's a bit like the 21st century version of the anti-logging people marching up and down holding paper signs supported by pine poles.

In every generation there are those who think they know of a better way, (and oddly they are often university students, who would not know shit from clay) but the capitalist system is the one which clothes, educates and cares for them, and it is the only one which has worked for centuries.

As you have gleaned, my views are considerably more to the right than even the above indicates, but that will do for now.



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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[Groucho]

The trouble,CiK, is that capitalism has worked for many people but has failed many too. The bastion of capitalism,the USA, has over 30 million people in genuine ,abject,"streets of Calcutta" type poverty,how has this system helped them? Nobody in this world should ever die of starvation as enough food is produced to feed everybody on the planet twice over but almost every year we hear of thousands dying of starvation in the horn of Africa. Helped them a lot didn't it? Maybe socialism will never get a go (I don't count totalitarian states that have been called socialist) but a basic philiosophy of "from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs" seems pretty damned hard to argue against.

 

[Darky]

I like the old saying :

If you're NOT a socialist at age 20 you have no heart
But if you ARE a socialist at age 30 you have no brains



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Other bands play, Manowar KILL !!!!!!!!!

 

[AlfAndrews]

... and if you haven't re-converted to socialism by the age of 40, you've got no conscience.

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**floreat pica**

 

[Carey_is_King]

Originally posted by Groucho:
The trouble,CiK, is that capitalism has worked for many people but has failed many too. The bastion of capitalism,the USA, has over 30 million people in genuine ,abject,"streets of Calcutta" type poverty,how has this system helped them? Nobody in this world should ever die of starvation as enough food is produced to feed everybody on the planet twice over but almost every year we hear of thousands dying of starvation in the horn of Africa. Helped them a lot didn't it? Maybe socialism will never get a go (I don't count totalitarian states that have been called socialist) but a basic philiosophy of "from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs" seems pretty damned hard to argue against.

Groucho,
30 million people ? Absolute nonsense!!
That is one in every 8 of the total USA population. Typical of the sorts of "facts" peddled by the alarmists.
Is there enough food in the world to feed everybody ? Yes, you are probably correct, but it is not in the places it needs to be, when it needs to be there, and the capitalist system does not assist to solve this, I agree. Would I like to see that situation rectified ? Yes, of course, but it's not likely, because the world at large, whether you like it or not, actually runs to the motto I use as a signature.
It's not dissimilar to the "survival of the fittest" scenario which exists in the animal world.
I am always amused when communists/socialists/apologists dismiss the totalitarian states as "not really true to the socialist/communist ideal". Perhaps you could nominate one which is acceptable and actually works ?


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Trample the Weak,
Hurdle the Dead.

 

[Sydneyfan]

The philosophy of Communism sounds great, spreading wealth evenly amongst the people so no one misses out and goes hungry. But I guess the reason why it doesn't work (or hasn't so far) is human nature. Give people in positions of power (in Communism's case, the State) too much power to control the conditions of society, and they inevitably corrupt it through corruption, misappropriations and abuse of power.
Maybe, one time people will be able to strike a chord where people who want to make money do, while the hungry still get the basic requirements to survive and be healthy. I guess the most similar scenario to this is the welfare state, though it seems these days in Australia we are pushing further from a welfare state to a strong capitalist society like the USA. Having been to the USA a couple of times and seeing the crime and poverty in their inner cities and many rural regions, I'm not convinced that following the USA is the way to go.

 

[enver hoxha]

We wouldnt let people starve in the communist state i lead, we would have tortured them to death, hence no stats.

We also kill all intellectuals so that there is no oposition to our one party system. That means you would survive Alf.

Anyone for a bit of solitary confinement or chinese water torture? Also be careful whom you speak to, are they informers or true friends? Long live comunis....I mean we call it soclialism dont we?