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Do people agree that voting rights should be stripped from those who have less than an 11 game membership as is being proposed under the changes to the Carlton Football Club constitution as per the special resolution.

It seems to me to discriminate against those who live interstate, can't afford the 11 game package, long distance members etc etc. It just doesn't seem very inclusive, especially when we are trying to grow our membership.
 

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The tumble weeds flying through this thread probably indicates that it is just me that thinks it is wrong:D... But they haven't even explained their rationale for doing it. Where is the I am Carlton in the move?
 

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Patience, young drussawan, it is the off season. There hasn't been a single post anywhere since you started your thread.

As for voting rights, I'm not really fussed either way. Reasonable arguments on either side of the fence.
 
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Patience, young drussawan, it is the off season. There hasn't been a single post anywhere since you started your thread.

As for voting rights, I'm not really fussed either way. Reasonable arguments on either side of the fence.
Wise words mate:D...but what are those reasons for taking the voting rights away from some members?
 

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Wise words mate:D...but what are those reasons for taking the voting rights away from some members?
The main reason for allowing it is that there's no doubt that the vast majority of those who put money into the club, regardless of type of membership, are passionate Carlton supporters and as such should have a say.

However, the footy club is a business and you can understand why it'd be limited to people who put x amount of dollars into the club, so long as the threshold isn't set ludicrously high.

At the end of the day, I'm not sure what difference given them voting rights would make. I'd hazard a guess that at least half wouldn't vote even if they had the privilege. So long as those that hold non-game membership aren't drastically different from those that do, you'd imagine that they'd vote along the same lines as everyone else.

Maybe the club's trying to cut back on its workload? Those votes must be a pain to collate. :eek:
 
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The main reason for allowing it is that there's no doubt that the vast majority of those who put money into the club, regardless of type of membership, are passionate Carlton supporters and as such should have a say.

However, the footy club is a business and you can understand why it'd be limited to people who put x amount of dollars into the club, so long as the threshold isn't set ludicrously high.

At the end of the day, I'm not sure what difference given them voting rights would make. I'd hazard a guess that at least half wouldn't vote even if they had the privilege. So long as those that hold non-game membership aren't drastically different from those that do, you'd imagine that they'd vote along the same lines as everyone else.

Maybe the club's trying to cut back on its workload? Those votes must be a pain to collate. :eek:
Many of those from interstate are already pretty much donating to the club with the memberships that they are already buying as many can't get to many games if at all. Voting rights help many still feel included. The club is now saying we are happy to take your money, but we want more if you want a say.

You'd expect some differences between the members simply because most of those now to be excluded would be interstate/ long distance members. Forums such as Big Footy would be a big part of their information gathering about the club.

At least half would vote though mate, although considering the voter numbers for all types of members eligible to vote, fifty percent seems high:D

I imagine they are cutting back on their workload...considering they didn't even want to collate different votes on the seperate issues and just lumped it all under one proposal:D Slackers.
 
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I think that if anyone looks at my posting history they will find that I'm not one for taking potshots at the club, but I just think that this is wrong. If you are trying to grow your membership and help people feel part of the club I just don't see how this helps.

To me the fact that they aren't explaining why they are doing it nor how many members it will affect is telling. Before anyone says anything...I don't think my reaction is because I got out of the wrong side the bed this morning:p
 

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Let the club know how you feel Drussafidamides. Until then, my vote's for the tumbleweeds.
We are already voting for it thy, can't see how contacting the club who are all for it for their own reasons will make a diff. Tumbleweeds it is:D

Shame though as any move to exclude parts of the membership from voting can't be good for the democratic process, especially without explanation, even if the voting participation is fairly low across all membership categories across the club.
 
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I guess they want a genuine commitment from supporters so they have opted for a financial commitment. They are slapping those loyal interstaters in the face a little perhaps. I am one of those.

Perhaps they could have 11 game + memberships and/or 5 or 10 years of continued membership to include the loyal interstaters.
 

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I agree with the club on this one...

There are so many membership options at the moment that it has become a circus...

If the AFL only counted members with a minimum of 11 game packages like the used to, we would be one of the leaders for memberships and the Hawks with their 2 game memberships would be fairly low...

Cheap or small memberships can cause vote stacking, which might have happened in the past, maybe!
 

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I guess they want a genuine commitment from supporters so they have opted for a financial commitment. They are slapping those loyal interstaters in the face a little perhaps. I am one of those.

Perhaps they could have 11 game + memberships and/or 5 or 10 years of continued membership to include the loyal interstaters.
I wanted to have the right to vote, which is why I have my current level of membership, but refuse to pay extra to do so.

If I continue on with my membership, I'll just downgrade it to the cheapest one available. No point continuing on with the current one if I am going to have my right to vote stripped from me.
 
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I agree with the club on this one...

There are so many membership options at the moment that it has become a circus...

If the AFL only counted members with a minimum of 11 game packages like the used to, we would be one of the leaders for memberships and the Hawks with their 2 game memberships would be fairly low...

Cheap or small memberships can cause vote stacking, which might have happened in the past, maybe!
This actually is a valid point. Vote stacking could be a danger.

But if you went back to only 11 game memberships the club would lose a lot of revenue. The club still wants their money, but not their vote. They also still want to show our present and future corporate partners how many members we have and what a good idea it is to pour money into our club. The club wants all the benefits these members bring, but without allowing them a voice. To me that is wrong and not the way to foster the "I am Carlton" image.
 
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I guess they want a genuine commitment from supporters so they have opted for a financial commitment. They are slapping those loyal interstaters in the face a little perhaps. I am one of those.

Perhaps they could have 11 game + memberships and/or 5 or 10 years of continued membership to include the loyal interstaters.
It's a bit dodgy how they have gone about it ODN.

They have lumped a number of changes to the constitution, some of which are long overdue, as an all inclusive vote for or against everything they are proposing, even though some are very seperate issues.

In their explanatory statement (which funnily enough doesn't explain why they are taking away voting rights:D) which was included with the voting form they state " Because the changes are many, it would be unwieldy to put forward a resolution in respect of each amendment"

Yet they have actually broken up their statement into three or four sections. Why couldn't we have voted on these sections rather than this yes or no to everything. Surely it couldnt have been that hard to go from one x to three or four. It is just strange.

A number of years as a member certainly has merit ODN and would help with vote stacking, but unfortunately where was the consultation?
 
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I wanted to have the right to vote, which is why I have my current level of membership, but refuse to pay extra to do so.

If I continue on with my membership, I'll just downgrade it to the cheapest one available. No point continuing on with the current one if I am going to have my right to vote stripped from me.
Unfortunately a few will join you which is the stupid thing about it all especially in such a competitive environment. With North playing in Tassie there is also the temptation for people, I imagine, to join North (the shame:D) as at least you will get to see live AFL with your membership same with the Gold Coast and GWS even though they will be glued to the telly watching the Blues at other times. Some probably would anyway, but you don't want to give people more reasons to spend their hard earned elsewhere.

In case anybody was in any doubt I feel pretty strongly about this:eek::)
 

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Unfortunately a few will join you which is the stupid thing about it all especially in such a competitive environment. With North playing in Tassie there is also the temptation for people, I imagine, to join North (the shame:D) as at least you will get to see live AFL with your membership same with the Gold Coast and GWS even though they will be glued to the telly watching the Blues at other times. Some probably would anyway, but you don't want to give people more reasons to spend their hard earned elsewhere.

In case anybody was in any doubt I feel pretty strongly about this:eek::)
Essentially they are saying to Interstate Members (the ones who don't have an 11 game membership, which I would imagine would be the majority of them) that they don't consider us to be important enough to vote, unless we pay extra for the privilege.

They are getting money for jam out of me for instance, and that is their attitude?
 

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I have the silver long distance membership. Living in Adelaide it's pretty pointless to have anything else as I only get to the very odd game in Melbourne.

I still like to feel a part of the club though and contribute something moneywise. I did contribute to the Visy Park upgrade fund too. I get along to all the Adelaide matches and have done since the Crows entered the competition. I'm not hugely worried about the change but it does feel like a bit of a slap in the face to non-Victorian supporters.
 

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I have the silver long distance membership. Living in Adelaide it's pretty pointless to have anything else as I only get to the very odd game in Melbourne.

I still like to feel a part of the club though and contribute something moneywise. I did contribute to the Visy Park upgrade fund too. I get along to all the Adelaide matches and have done since the Crows entered the competition. I'm not hugely worried about the change but it does feel like a bit of a slap in the face to non-Victorian supporters.
Well said and well done for supporting albeit from afar. I think the club should keep this in mind when making blanket decisions.
 

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I did miss the Crows vs Carlton match in 2009 when I was in Europe. Though that was the match Waite did his knee in and I would not have wanted to see that.
 
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