Review vs Adelaide autopsy thread

[VitalDread]

A lot of what if's

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Disappointing loss to end a fantastic season.

Really impressed by how we played, created so many opportunities but just couldn't take our chances. Thought we had the better of play for most of the night.

Walker killed us in that second half. Kicked some huge goals, that one from 60 was a heartbreaker.

Would've been a massive boost to the group to walk away with a finals win but hopefully it stings a little and it has the same effect. Really excited for next year.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Well I have taken time to reflect. BLOODY PROUD OF THE BOYS

Yes I was there in 1961 GF loss, and all the other losses on the way. The one that hurt the most was the 97 prelim. I just thought this was best game of football I had seen for years. Yes we were the better team but you take Tory 5 goals straight out and we kicked 9.18 for the other players that is 1 goal from every 3 shots. If both sides converted at average scoring percentages we win by 3 to 4 goals.

1. Not bitter that we played at the G even though we win at Etihad. We should have been ready for our backs not play so far up the ground early on the bigger ground

2. Loved Will's and Jong's effort

3. Do not think Jake was 100% and we missed JJ big time.

I was at the march and I think we need to tweek's PG's suggestion. After we win the cup hopefully 2016 we start at the G lead by the players with the cup and coaches march to FED Square then organised trains for everyone to Footscray station them march to the Whitten oval.

 

[DogDays]

I am so proud of our club, so proud of our supporters and buoyed by the fact we are united in our passion for the doggies. You don't know how many supporters I've met in QLD since I moved here 3 years ago - the support for our club is deep and wide spread.

I'm gutted after last night, not because we lost (and let's face it we all only hoped to play finals after the last few years) but because we were good enough and missed gettable shots. That's it - we purely lost this game because we couldn't convert the easy ones. We beat the Crows where it mattered, they were able to kick the clutch goals when they needed to be kicked.

I just want to mention 2 things - congrats to Picken on 150 games, I'm sure it's hollow after the loss but he's a true bulldog. And Luke Dahlhaus - that punch that stopped a certain goal was what finals are made of.

I love our team and after being down and disappointed I'm now seeing the excitement that is 2016 on the horizon. Bring on the preseason and 2016 - continue to #gatherthepack (already footified 3 Qlders this season over to the doggies!)


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[fred cook]

You're wrong. All the prelims we made in the era 2005-2010 we were the third best team in it. You're only a choker if you're clearly the best team and you lose. We weren't.

Yeah and the fact that we lost in 1997 to side who finished fourth that year

 

[Igloo]

Still flat as a tack. Thought about the game all day at work. Bloody what ifs.

 

[Dogs Rule]

The gathering at Fed Square will stick in my mind for a long time.

Peter Gordon's speech was phenomenal. Hope somebody posts a link - it sent tingles down the spine.

We've taken plenty of hits over the years and this is yet another, but when we finally get there, it will only make it sweeter.

I hope this burns and sticks in the throat all summer and we come out with a point to prove and give the rest of the comp hell next year.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Can confirm that Igloo and I were in the same place at the same time, and are in fact not the same person.

 

[TGFC]

great game last night guys, i have so much respect fro what your club has been able to achieve this year. it is great to see the club recruiting real footy players instead of athletes. i think Daniels will be a revolution that will change the way recruiting is done.

shame we met each other in the first week, would have loved fro both of us to progress thrugh the finals. i couldn't see you guys losing to the tigers or north.

 

[DogDays]

The gathering at Fed Square will stick in my mind for a long time.

Peter Gordon's speech was phenomenal. Hope somebody posts a link - it sent tingles down the spine.

We've taken plenty of hits over the years and this is yet another, but when we finally get there, it will only make it sweeter.

I hope this burns and sticks in the throat all summer and we come out with a point to prove and give the rest of the comp hell next year.

You are making me miss being there even more than I was.


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[The Inbetweener]

It's disappointing to think what might have been, but the 2000s finals are hardly relevant to our team now. Something to consider is that in the late 2000s, teams would often rush behinds intentionally to get the ball into the hands of the best kicker, which could contribute to the earlier scorelines above.

Another thing to consider is where the shots are from. In the eade days, we had a lot of shots from difficult angles because we kicked to smalls in the pockets, which will make it harder to convert. Tonight, our set shots were not difficult, we just missed a lot of easy ones.

The other thing to notice is that these are not actually our last few finals, as you claimed- they are just the ones where we were eliminated. If you take a sample of our finals football and don't include our wins, the statistics are not going to be pretty.

That's why I said eliminated with these scores???

 

[Rockford18sx2]

All the talk about next year and on terrifies me. I hope the players learnt tonight that it ain't just gonna happen - you have to make it happen. And that is from game 1 next season and every game after that. I'm certainly not assuming we'll have a better year than this. I HOPE we do, but can't just assume. That's the scariest thing. Who knows what other clubs are going to make a massive improvement as well. Every season is different. Got to take your chances when you get them. Saying that, 2015 is now over. 2016 begins now. But don't assume anything!

Totally agree.

We may even play better football against stronger teams next year and still miss the finals all together. I hope the players felt like they belonged out there on the big stage last night, but at the same time they can't afford to get ahead of themselves this upcoming preseason.

For now they need to just get away to relax and reflect. For us Doggies supporters, this summer will be more bearable than the last.

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[timtamWB]

Can confirm that Igloo and I were in the same place at the same time, and are in fact not the same person.

That's exactly what you would say to throw us off the trail. I'm onto you guys.

 

[Dazb86]

Great effort. The Crows were too good.

What a season.

 

[bobby2]

That's why I said eliminated with these scores???

Yep, but you also said "how inaccurate we've been in our last few finals" just above that- our last few finals include other games where we weren't eliminated as well.

But the main part I took issue with is the way those statistics could be misconstrued (and they have been misconstrued since in another thread). People could look at it and say "oh, we always convert poorly in finals. Our forwards never stand up in big games", but it is clearly not an accurate representation of all of our finals, because it doesn't include games that we won. Sorry for jumping down your throat, I kind of just wanted to nip it in the bud before we got lots of doomsayers jumping in and saying that sort of stuff.

 

[King Elvis]

and if the crows had finished 6th this is how it would go

It would have been played at their home ground and tickets are sold to their members and we would have got get a few thousand tickets to purchase

What happens to us last night we play our final at a neutral ground and sell nearly 20 thousand tickets to crow fans taking away any slight advantage we have

Geez we got stuffed over

I think it was bullshit that the game got shifted, and you guys did get shafted by it - but, I don't think it cost you the game. You dominated a lot of key areas - it was just a slight lack of poise and composure at key moments which cost you; and while some rare players just thrive on finals pressure the first time they experience it, for most, that will come with experience.

I thought Beveridge was very good in his presser as well - we hardly get any MCG games, neither do you guys, but if either of us want to win a Flag, the only way to win it is on the MCG, so both of our Clubs are going to need to learn how to play it effectively.

 

[King Elvis]

Fantastic leader and a class act.

 

[Mr. Walker]

Good year by all the boys and they deserve the kudos for the effort they are getting from the football world and us.

The game was disappointing, not that there was any lack of effort, but the goal kicking was substandard and cost us the match. I was glad it was at the MCG for the big game experience, but if it was at Etihad there is a better chance we would have won and we would still have got the big game MCG experience next week anyway.

I hear what others are saying about Roberts and us not seeing the best of him yet. I hope you are right but i have serious doubts. He is not a first or second year player and with his time in the system if there was anything there i think we would have seen it by now. for those VFL watchers I understand Ayce has been trialed at CHB. Is there any light at all at the end of that tunnel?

for me Grant's time is up too. i think he is as good as he will get and will always be just a tease and never quite there. I understand the arguments about depth but if you only go to the draft with a small number of picks you only have a small number of chances to pick the next Bonti.

I have never been a Dickson fan as i think his involvement in the game is not prolific enough. I may have been wro..... My level of correctness may not have been as near to optimum as i would have liked. Great game Tory.

congrats too to Hunter. i was worried halfway through the year that his attitude was such that a parting of the ways was imminent. he has turned it all around and is well deserving of his place in the side. Incidently there was more than one poor handball from him (everyone only seems to be talking about THAT one). something to work on over summer.

One last comment to the recruiters, if you want to recruit some taller midfielders i the November draft i am ok with that. I am not judging Honeychurch on one game but i do feel we have too many of his size. It is a physical game and if a player is on the shorter side i think to make it he has to be exceptional in an area, be it pace, endurance, goal kicking accuracy. I dont see that with our crop and i dont know how many similar mids of that size we can carry.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Yep, but you also said "how inaccurate we've been in our last few finals" just above that- our last few finals include other games where we weren't eliminated as well.

But the main part I took issue with is the way those statistics could be misconstrued (and they have been misconstrued since in another thread). People could look at it and say "oh, we always convert poorly in finals. Our forwards never stand up in big games", but it is clearly not an accurate representation of all of our finals, because it doesn't include games that we won. Sorry for jumping down your throat, I kind of just wanted to nip it in the bud before we got lots of doomsayers jumping in and saying that sort of stuff.

All good and I take your points, still just in an ordinary mood from last night.

 

[TiAn_]

I know people want to be positive, but the reality is we choked last night. We dominated a team for three quarters and stuffed up at crucial moments, repeatedly. We lost to a team that we largely outplayed.

Hawthorn isn't flying and they're coming off a trip to Perth. We win last night and we're primed for the Hawks. Beat the Hawks and we face a Fremantle team that struggles to kick a winning score. We've thrown away a massive, massive opportunity.

You can say we're young and this is the start of something, but if we don't back up with another finals run next year, Whitten Oval and our supporters are going to be pretty dark.

I'm concerned that players like Bont and Hunter will now carry that same burden of knowing they made crucial mistakes at big moments, as did the last two generations of players. That's a real thing. I guess we won't know for another 12 months whether we're the Hawks in 2007 or Port in 2014.

I know there are positives from last night, but they don't outweigh the negatives for me. Not by a long way. It's up to the coach and the players now to determine whether this most recent heartbreak is just the same old Bulldogs, or a new beginning.

 

[VitalDread]

This photo makes me happy

 

[fred cook]

and what is going to happen this weekend

Ist beat fourth
2nd beat fifth

I know people want to be positive, but the reality is we choked last night. We dominated a team for three quarters and stuffed up at crucial moments, repeatedly. We lost to a team that we largely outplayed.

Hawthorn isn't flying and they're coming off a trip to Perth. We win last night and we're primed for the Hawks. Beat the Hawks and we face a Fremantle team that struggles to kick a winning score. We've thrown away a massive, massive opportunity.

You can say we're young and this is the start of something, but if we don't back up with another finals run next year, Whitten Oval and our supporters are going to be pretty dark.

I'm concerned that players like Bont and Hunter will now carry that same burden of knowing they made crucial mistakes at big moments, as did the last two generations of players. That's a real thing. I guess we won't know for another 12 months whether we're the Hawks in 2007 or Port in 2014.

I know there are positives from last night, but they don't outweigh the negatives for me. Not by a long way. It's up to the coach and the players now to determine whether this most recent heartbreak is just the same old Bulldogs, or a new beginning.

Well said

 

[_Mike_]

99.9% of the Crows supporters posting on our board have shown humility. Good luck with the rest of the finals and Walshy would have been proud

 

[LondonBulldog]

Not going into individual players

Next year we need to balance attack and defence, pushed up too hard and gave crows too many easy goals in the first quarter.

Need to ask the AFL for two home games a year at the MCG if we are going to progress as a club

 

[dergert]

Does anyone have the averages of games played for both teams? Im sick of Adelaide saying they're just as young as us.