Autopsy vs GWS

[Horizons_00]

Tag cunners and our midfield collapses
Injury to Higgins our midfield collapses

They tackled like mad men and they’re pressure was up. They’re elite skills under pressure was fantastic

Some good individual performances but overall team we weren’t up to scratch. A lot of low disposals

Not awful, our intent was there

 

[Mav]

Are the people complaining about the treatment of Cunners the same that love BJ? Can’t have it both ways.

 

[darko]

These are exactly the same tactics that Ben Jacobs uses as a tagger. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Not sure why everyone is whinging about it.

Yup.

 

[Marstermind]

NMFC post-match coach pressers are a whole lot shorter these days. Take out the predictably inane question about Heath and this post would have taken longer to write.

 

[Marstermind]

Are the people complaining about the treatment of Cunners the same that love BJ? Can’t have it both ways.

Geez we miss BJ.

 

[DaNgEr_lOOms]

Geez we miss BJ.

Every single day since I got married

 

[CunnyTarryn]

You can’t be considered best on when you constantly torch the ball the way he does.

Yes he tried hard and had a good crack, but as a coach once told me, there is no point in getting the ball if you constantly waste it.

McDonald played on Greene and was well beaten even before you factor in his turnovers. Like Thompson, he likes to guard grass looking for a cheap intercept.

 

[Marstermind]

Every single day since I got married

Don't worry. Being married is all about missing things that you used to do, wishing you still could do, but eventually concede you won't ever do it that way ever again.

 

[r_boy]

Stripping it back to simple terms has been good.

However, we need to do more than play down the line.

Physicality is the foundation. It needs to work in conjunction with a higher risk game plan. Bite off the 45. Play the boundary and the corridor. Let players feed off each other.

Right now we have a crack and try to play safe round the edges.

Agree with your assessment but I’m not sure that will be happening within season and moreover we lack the midfield cattle for it currently.

Certainly you can see the way the Giants feed off each other as you say. Within an instant their midfield can collectively switch from a defensive to aggressive posture, sharing the ball and breaking up the opposition defence. They don’t overdo it either, just one or two handballs or kicks and they’re on their way. It takes drilling but also some class footballers to pull off and faith in your defence.

Agree that we are unidimensional. We need to be more dynamic in attack if we want to be a contender and this requires the right coach (and support staff and structure) to implement that change and a list improvement strategy for the midfield. I think Scott was maybe trying to bring about that change this year but just failed horrendously.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Every single day since I got married

..............just one more vertebra.....................goddamit!

 

[r_boy]

Couldn't agree more. De Boer/Jacobs approach it similarly.

Neither comes from the tagging school of Libba, Crowley etc.

De Boer is a quality tagger and person by all accounts.

Hope he wins the GWS B&F more power to him.

 

[SonofSamsquanch]

Can't wait until tomorrow.

BBB will get a week for the elbow.

Jack will get 2 for the hit on Greene in the first quarter.

And I'm sure Christian will find a few more in the video review.

Christian to take a stand on the tribunal's leniencyon Abberlett. 3 weeks to BBB to make up for the weeks GAJ didn't get.

 

[Masked Avenger]

7832 at Blundstone Arena

Who cares?

Exactly right SF

Channel 7 led its sport report preview with a St Kilda reserves player getting injured over our game.

Warning sign number one.

Our effort befitted Cunners 200th - all guts and admirable grind - but we were completely outclassed in the end.

Warning sign number two.

I don't know about you, but I get genuinely excited about watching Thomas, Larkey, LDU and Zurhaar strut their stuff.

Yet, I can't understand how a clutch of bog ordinary players, who get selected week in and week out, are keeping out the likes of Ahern, Crocker, Murphy, Hayden, Scott, Taylor and Watson.

Our club, more than most, , needs to win premierships or die trying.

There's no other way.

 

[Snake_Baker]

De Boer is a quality tagger and person by all accounts.

I hope L-Macs shirt front gives him cancer of the arse.

 

[Only Forwards]

Yet, I can't understand how a clutch of bog ordinary players, who get selected week in and week out, are keeping out the likes of Ahern, Crocker, Murphy, Hayden, Scott, Taylor and Watson.

Do you want to be Bolton's Carlton?

Sure there was a selection issue.

Ahern should have been in.

The rest is grasping at straws.

 

[Shermanator]

Complete midfield domination is a worry going forward - losing the clearances is one thing numerically, and another qualitatively, and it seemed to me at the ground that when they won the clearances they usually made something of it, far more than we did. I thought the backline were sensational in the first half (Thompson had a blinder of a first quarter), but after half time it seemed the Giants were able to catch us out of position on the turnover through quick ball movement too easily... umpiring isn't the reason we lost, but some absolute howlers today (I actually thought Brown's goal was touched from where I sat live, but once it's called a goal, how can that video evidence be considered conclusive enough to overrule?!). Increasingly worried about Mason Wood, does some nice things occasionally but goes missing too often and sometimes doesn't seem to commit when needed...

No questioning our effort, but the back half of this game was particularly lacklustre. Hopefully it's just our by-now-standard pre-bye lapse, and we can take the positives from the last month or so into next fortnight's match against Collingwood and beyond - but a midfield performance like today's will see us crushed... it's the same problem we've had for quite some time now, that when we don't win the clearance in tight, the opposition can run rings around us on the outside, and Collingwood are experts at that side of the game. Keeping competitive in the first half was great to see, as is our general endeavour in recent times, but a backline in strong form can only get you so far...

I think it was the mental ‘come down’ from the last few weeks.

We have a relatively young group that’s held their end of the bargain up through the big changes; TT, LDU, Jy, Zurhaar, Larkey, Durdin so a down game was due, especially against an elite midfield like the Franchise.

I actually thought that game was going to happen to us last week, but as it turns out it was the second half today, so the bye has come at the PERFECT time for us.

 

[Arthur Cloke]

Are the people complaining about the treatment of Cunners the same that love BJ? Can’t have it both ways.

You're right Joe. Its like the Youth In Asia debate if you ask me.

 

[Masked Avenger]

Do you want to be Bolton's Carlton?

Sure there was a selection issue.

Ahern should have been in.

The rest is grasping at straws.

The old Carlton chestnut.

Never far away.

Carlton don't have the calibre of hardened senior players such as Cunners, Tarrant, Goldy, BBB, Williams, Jed, Polec, Pittard, and Ziebell.

They could only dream of wrapping those blokes around their kids.

Have a little faith in them.

 

[Arthur Cloke]

Well this will be my last post tonight - the crackdown on bad behaviour reared it's ugly head at BloodStone Arena today. Without going into the finer details, an elderly gentlemen spilt beer all over me from the bleaches. He claimed it was accidental but I knew he'd taken umbrage to a call I made earlier in the game regarding the Marley Williams kicking in danger free kick. It seemed so real. So I reported him to security and luckily the security guard spoke a little English so we were able to have the matter rectified during the half time break. Turns out the elderly gentleman in question actually used to be a teacher at my primary school. Wish I'd known that before I spat at his feet and blinked feverishly while looking over the top of my glasses at him. Anyway, we're about to hit the Casino & I've told him he owes me a beer. He'll soon get it.

 

[danj]

I think we needed more midfield run......it was a ghost of Brad Scott type of team selection and coaching. As good as our first two weeks were under Shaw, this week raising some worrying red flags.

Ahern should have been in the side, yeah, I sound like a broken record but there are no excuses with Higgins injury, he has played well in the VFL and we compromised the structure of the side.

I thought the same Tas, maybe whoever is on the selection committee when Scotts was there has regained their confidence and Shaw listened to them? Hopefully Shaw will be his own man after this game. Let's see what happens with the Pies.

 

[Only Forwards]

The old Carlton chestnut.

Never far away.

Carlton don't have the calibre of hardened senior players such as Cunners, Tarrant, Goldy, BBB, Williams, Jed, Polec, Pittard, and Ziebell.

They could only dream of wrapping those blokes around their kids.

Have a little faith in them.

You want to play 6 players at once that have, what, 3 games of AFL between them and see no issue with this.

On top of the kids we're already playing.

 

[tazaa]

Every time we play the Giants I get reminded how the observation “disposal still needs work” applies to our entire list.

Like chalk and cheese.

Spot on.
We bombed it long under their perceived pressure and it worked a treat for Davis and co.
McDonald butchered a fair bit going inside 50 but he had a crack. It was that difference in class that found us wanting.

Can’t believe they overturned Browns goal based on that evidence. Yet nothing in the media???
The AFL is broken.

 

[tazaa]

McDonald at least twice missed open players in the middle 70 out and bombed it into three on one's where defensive marks were taken 50 out. Still with this under ten stuff? Frustrates me no end

Sadly played right into their hands.
We just needed to be smarter using the footy and looked to hit up Larkey or Wood.
Doubt many playing midfield today could.

 

[Liam Boy]

Luke McDonald needs to be given a blanket ban on kicking it more than 30 metres. Has he ever hit a target bombing it long the way he does?

 

[Dan]

GWS class won over in the 2nd half.

Effort, aggressive intent was there.

No Higgins hurts and Cunnington got clamped down pretty good.

That touched goal from Brown that was initially awarded a goal then reversed by score review was a goal.