- Dec 27, 2017
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Brown has copped a lot of s**t this year but man they’ve made it hard for him.
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Hall was named in the bests on the club website. FMD. He did try but his ball use was diabolical.Halls kicking inside 50 has been killing us all year. Against the bombers he had 7 and 0 assists. When he doesn’t have a ping at the goals, only because he’s out of range he never kicks to the forwards advantage.
I also think our half forwards are either lazy or not fit enough because they’re not pushing forward enough to provide pressure to lock the ball in.
Bad kicking inside 50 + poor forward pressure will always cost games.
Ball goes in, the oppo intercept and we have 15-16 blokes from about the centre to the 50 arc, leaving plenty of time and space for the oppo defenders to aggressively bring the ball out.
Hall was named in the bests on the club website. FMD. He did try but his ball use was diabolical.
its their job.Brown has copped a lot of sh*t this year but man they’ve made it hard for him.
its their job.
Geez no wonder Connor wants to leave OZ if that’s the state of banter acceptably available..Shaw: I want to address the Luke McDonald and Conor McKenna incident from the weekend. It’s not on, and not something that we stand for. Luke has called Conor and apologised.
Mods, can we get this s**t cleaned up? I come to BF for race baiting, updates on breakthroughs in epidemiology and inflammatory remarks about 21 year old sportsmen, not whatever this is.Yep.
And yep.
As far as the tale of last night goes - no leads, no spread, no overlap run.
Instead of jumping on here and reading through everyone's undoubtedly calm and balanced reactions to the loss, I decided to take the less painful approach of watching the replay to try to understand why there was so little of the aforementioned run and spread, and so much of that kicking down the line crap. I actually watched the replay twice. The first time to analyse the above and take a really close look at our I50's, the second time to track every one of Hall's possessions. (Stay tuned!) But yeah, no-one can begin to fathom the pain I put myself through last night. Three sittings of the game, back-to-back. I am officially scarred.
Anyway, here's some thoughts on what I saw....
And let me preface the below by saying that it was ****ing slippery conditions last night. People should keep that in mind. Both teams fumbled. Sure, they handled the conditions a little better than us and were more precise in their execution but, ffs, some people need to lower their expectations on skill levels and clean use around contested ground balls on a greasy as **** night like that.
As usual, nothing of a structural nature in footy happens in isolation. Everything bleeds into other things. Including the mental state of the players. In the case of last night's game, assuming they weren't acting on Shaw's instructions (man, I hope not), I reckon there were a few things that led to our abject lack of creativity. In a nutshell, my thinking is that what we saw was basically the product of an overly defensive mindset. We were sh*t-scared of their speed and didn't want to be opened up, so we naturally gravitated towards the safety of the line.
Confidence would have taken a bit of a hit coming off three losses, and the fear of being opened up against a quick side like * most probably led to players being less creative, taking safer options, and being less willing to run off their opponents for fear of getting caught out on the slingshot. (Particularly with a defensively-minded coach in charge.) Easier to contain the counter-attacks if they're not launched from the corridor. And every time we headed boundary-ward, a perfect storm of slow, safe ball movement, slippery conditions, players not working hard enough to provide options, and * doing a good job of hemming us in and guarding the corridor, all led to what we saw unfold last night.
Of course, for the most part it worked for us on the defensive end of things. They didn't really get off the chain a whole lot. As Rick18 mentioned in his typically excellent summary, it was the sporadic lapses that really hurt us. And it wasn't just one player in particular, all the defenders had their moments where they let their concentration slip and it cost us. To *'s credit, they took their opportunities.
But yeah, it's on the offensive side of the ledger where we sucked the most. Just too predictable, and that included our I50's.
Just for interest's sake, here's our top few I50-ers for the night....
Hall - 7
Simpkin - 6
Brown - 5
Higgins - 4
Goldy - 4
Dumont - 4
All of the above, and others - Pittard, Polec, Tarrant, and more - were guilty of unimaginative, long-bomb I50 entries, kicked to contested, pack situations. As a zillion people have pointed out, more often than not these entries involved a kick being dropped on Brown's head. They weren't necessarily rushed entries either. In many cases it was a considered decision where the player in question had time and space.
But again, in defense of those that were responsible for some of the incredibly dull and predictable I50's we saw, there consistently seemed to be very few other options available to them. No-one leading into the corridor, no-one leading to the ball carrier. No-one running past for the sneaky handball for a long goal. Just a distinct lack of work off the ball to create options. I can understand that reticence in the back half, but there has to be more movement when we're on the attack with the ball just outside 50.
As has been said ad infinitum, we need another tall marking target. But with Larkey still out, and Campbell not providing much, it was incredibly disappointing to see such an uncreative approach to ball use going inside 50. When a player (Atley) did finally lower their eyes and someone got on their bike to provide an open, leading option (Scott), we goaled. Clearly, Campbell isn't the person to be giving Browny a chop out. I thought the logic behind his selection was reasonably sound, but it didn't work out. Couldn't clunk them. He brought the ball to ground on occasion, but at other times - bizarrely - he was pushed off the ball with ridiculous ease. A couple of times he and Browny just got in each other's way. Experiment didn't work.
But of course, regardless, here's the greatest flaw in the plan - bringing the ball to ground is only really useful if you have a handful of talented crumbers ready to feast on that sh*t. (Spoiler alert - we don't.) On multiple occasions we brought the ball to the ground only for it to whisked back out by the more-adept-at-ground-level * defenders. Despite our defensive mindset on the night, our Forward line defensive pressure was almost non-existent. We just lacked any semblance of Forward structure both when the ball was coming in, and when it was going back out again.
Moving forward we simply MUST be more creative and less predictable going inside 50.
Not sure any of the above helps much now in hindsight, but hopefully we don't see an encore performance of the same thing next week.
Tl; dr?
Don't blame you. It was a ****ing long post.
Experiment didn't work.
But of course, regardless, here's the greatest flaw in the plan - bringing the ball to ground is only really useful if you have a handful of talented crumbers ready to feast on that sh*t. (Spoiler alert - we don't.) On multiple occasions we brought the ball to the ground only for it to whisked back out by the more-adept-at-ground-level * defenders. Despite our defensive mindset on the night, our Forward line defensive pressure was almost non-existent. We just lacked any semblance of Forward structure both when the ball was coming in, and when it was going back out again.
Moving forward we simply MUST be more creative and less predictable going inside 50.
Not sure any of the above helps much now in hindsight, but hopefully we don't see an encore performance of the same thing next week.
Tl; dr?
Don't blame you. It was a ****ing long post.
I watched the game with no sound on last night.....couldn’t listen to JB fellate another side all night again. Take a long hard look at yourself JB, you are undoing all the good work you did and sound like a f*n flog.
on another note, I never realy noticed Hibberd last night for *, but just saw he had 19 p’s.
Was he actually any good?
You forgot Billy don't you lose my number Hartung........ Campbell is insurance only I feel sorry for the guy but it is what it is. Play Wood, or just keep getting dev games into X.I reckon Farren Ray off half back and Hrovat at Campbell’s feet up forward might just sort us out.
Apologies if this is a thread I'm not meant to post inYep.
And yep.
As far as the tale of last night goes - no leads, no spread, no overlap run.
Instead of jumping on here and reading through everyone's undoubtedly calm and balanced reactions to the loss, I decided to take the less painful approach of watching the replay to try to understand why there was so little of the aforementioned run and spread, and so much of that kicking down the line crap. I actually watched the replay twice. The first time to analyse the above and take a really close look at our I50's, the second time to track every one of Hall's possessions. (Stay tuned!) But yeah, no-one can begin to fathom the pain I put myself through last night. Three sittings of the game, back-to-back. I am officially scarred.
Anyway, here's some thoughts on what I saw....
And let me preface the below by saying that it was ****ing slippery conditions last night. People should keep that in mind. Both teams fumbled. Sure, they handled the conditions a little better than us and were more precise in their execution but, ffs, some people need to lower their expectations on skill levels and clean use around contested ground balls on a greasy as **** night like that.
As usual, nothing of a structural nature in footy happens in isolation. Everything bleeds into other things. Including the mental state of the players. In the case of last night's game, assuming they weren't acting on Shaw's instructions (man, I hope not), I reckon there were a few things that led to our abject lack of creativity. In a nutshell, my thinking is that what we saw was basically the product of an overly defensive mindset. We were sh*t-scared of their speed and didn't want to be opened up, so we naturally gravitated towards the safety of the line.
Confidence would have taken a bit of a hit coming off three losses, and the fear of being opened up against a quick side like * most probably led to players being less creative, taking safer options, and being less willing to run off their opponents for fear of getting caught out on the slingshot. (Particularly with a defensively-minded coach in charge.) Easier to contain the counter-attacks if they're not launched from the corridor. And every time we headed boundary-ward, a perfect storm of slow, safe ball movement, slippery conditions, players not working hard enough to provide options, and * doing a good job of hemming us in and guarding the corridor, all led to what we saw unfold last night.
Of course, for the most part it worked for us on the defensive end of things. They didn't really get off the chain a whole lot. As Rick18 mentioned in his typically excellent summary, it was the sporadic lapses that really hurt us. And it wasn't just one player in particular, all the defenders had their moments where they let their concentration slip and it cost us. To *'s credit, they took their opportunities.
But yeah, it's on the offensive side of the ledger where we sucked the most. Just too predictable, and that included our I50's.
Just for interest's sake, here's our top few I50-ers for the night....
Hall - 7
Simpkin - 6
Brown - 5
Higgins - 4
Goldy - 4
Dumont - 4
All of the above, and others - Pittard, Polec, Tarrant, and more - were guilty of unimaginative, long-bomb I50 entries, kicked to contested, pack situations. As a zillion people have pointed out, more often than not these entries involved a kick being dropped on Brown's head. They weren't necessarily rushed entries either. In many cases it was a considered decision where the player in question had time and space.
But again, in defense of those that were responsible for some of the incredibly dull and predictable I50's we saw, there consistently seemed to be very few other options available to them. No-one leading into the corridor, no-one leading to the ball carrier. No-one running past for the sneaky handball for a long goal. Just a distinct lack of work off the ball to create options. I can understand that reticence in the back half, but there has to be more movement when we're on the attack with the ball just outside 50.
As has been said ad infinitum, we need another tall marking target. But with Larkey still out, and Campbell not providing much, it was incredibly disappointing to see such an uncreative approach to ball use going inside 50. When a player (Atley) did finally lower their eyes and someone got on their bike to provide an open, leading option (Scott), we goaled. Clearly, Campbell isn't the person to be giving Browny a chop out. I thought the logic behind his selection was reasonably sound, but it didn't work out. Couldn't clunk them. He brought the ball to ground on occasion, but at other times - bizarrely - he was pushed off the ball with ridiculous ease. A couple of times he and Browny just got in each other's way. Experiment didn't work.
But of course, regardless, here's the greatest flaw in the plan - bringing the ball to ground is only really useful if you have a handful of talented crumbers ready to feast on that sh*t. (Spoiler alert - we don't.) On multiple occasions we brought the ball to the ground only for it to whisked back out by the more-adept-at-ground-level * defenders. Despite our defensive mindset on the night, our Forward line defensive pressure was almost non-existent. We just lacked any semblance of Forward structure both when the ball was coming in, and when it was going back out again.
Moving forward we simply MUST be more creative and less predictable going inside 50.
Not sure any of the above helps much now in hindsight, but hopefully we don't see an encore performance of the same thing next week.
Tl; dr?
Don't blame you. It was a ****ing long post.
Is it structure or cattle then?
Taylor, Zurhaar, Thomas all have ability in the air and are tasked with going for their grabs. They all have ability to pressure at ground level too.
Too many going up at once? Didn’t see it that often - so where are they at the fall of the ball? Pushing too far up the ground? Didn’t see too many times them being honoured on a lead either? Does it come down to ball use i50? It was absolutely shithouse on the weekend but again was there movement and space for the blokes to work into to get great looks? Don’t think so.
Combination of young lads, haven’t gelled at getting in and out of each other’s space yet, with shithouse ball movement upfield and horrible f50 kicking. Larkey back in and another 10-15 games of Taylor Zurhaar and Thomas together and look out
Shaw: I want to address the Luke McDonald and Conor McKenna incident from the weekend. It’s not on, and not something that we stand for. Luke has called Conor and apologised.
only one coach gave Goldy votes? Which coach is the moron?Coaches votes
10 David Zaharakis (ESS)
6 Jordan Ridley (ESS)
4 Darcy Parish (ESS)
4 Todd Goldstein (NMFC)
2 Jy Simpkin (NMFC)
2 Andrew McGrath (ESS)
1 Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (ESS)
1 Adam Saad (ESS)
C'mon dus, give Shaw a chance. Other than the past month, we have been referring him to Clarko mark 2.0. I think he will be a great coach, but he is still learning. I think he will be a 10 year+ coach for us.Biggest disappointment of the year to date has been Shaw.
Don’t think he has what it takes. Hope he only got a 2 year deal.
The rest of the crap, poor skills ect, we already knew about. Nothing’s has changed. I’ve become desensitised to it.